Category: religion
01/28/08 09:51 - 30ºF - ID#43057
Religion messed up my childhood
My Two cents: This is really going to make me seem insane but read the whole thing before responding. First of all my parents were religious, but not overbearing about it or anything - so don't read that into this. They went to church on Sunday, we prayed before meals, etc but not like its all we talked about.
I know for many Christians this is impossible to even think about. I think sects with adult baptism make more sense.
As for the moral/ethics argument, here is no reason not to teach them the same moral values outside of the religious context.
It is just that I can see how imaginative, strong willed children could get totally carried away as I did myself. Now I am not saying all children, in all circumstances - just something to think about..
As a child I was really religious. Like I thought about it all the time and it really controlled my life. Mix that with a little imagination and OCD and I had a hard time checking myself before I wrecked myself.
I invented all these imaginary friends to accompany me and God on our adventure in life. I thought those imaginery friends gave me super powers - just ask any of my close childhood friends (e:iriesara) - which honestly, sounds insane now - but put it in a religious context and it isn't that weird. Even Jesus was one of my imaginary frinds. HE took the form of this water creature. In fact, I believed it so much that I could see him wiggling on the ross in church and then he would "drip off"into water creature and fly around. That creature mated with another one and became another friend with other powers, etc.
So I created this whole fantasy world around them and their existence based on what I thought was possible from reading the bible. Just like God, my imaginary friend all had requirements/commandments for loving me.
Some of them required simple things like me repeating chants, others required more complicate stuff like particular movements or blood dripping on rocks, etc. It sounds totally crazy but in a bible reading child world, these kind of stories seemed congruent with what I was reading. It was like my sacrifice to these minions that God and I knew about.
This sadly went on until my mid teens. Then I went on some bible camp scavenger hunt where their existence came out and the people made me get down on my knees and prey to let Jesus into my heart. That was definitely the most terrifying moment of my life because I felt like I definitely had jesus in my heart and they were trying to poison me with some fake jesus. I was confused and for sure scared. I had my imaginary friends create this mystical bubble around me to protect me from them. In fact I even had prayers I would use to command my imaginary friends to do stuff.
Basically, what I am saying is that opening up a child's mind to religion, can open it up to the possibility of insanity because accepting the idea that all this supernatural stuff exists, is a concept that is hard to put reigns on once it is fully accepted.
Luckily for me, this girl named Daniel Woodman,w ho also had imaginary friends came along and stole all my imaginary friends in some sort of imaginary friend battle and they went away, like all in one day. It was both tragedy and a relief.
As a side note and testement to my OCDness as a child, I remember this one chant I would use. The beginning chant came from some religious book about protecting yourself from witches and the end I made up.
"Black lugie and hammer head, rowan tree, and red threat - but the warlocks to their speed, everything, everywhere, disconnected and also extras."
After, a little search I found some info about its origin here I love the ending. It completely describes my OCD as a child. It referred to the fact that I would give myself time limits to say the chant and previously I would have to include things like requesting that my family and friend don't die, we had food on the table etc. But he list became so long I created this macro that basically included, "everything I ever asked for, for everyone, everywhere and that if there were conflicted requests, their dependencies were disconnected and that I would also like an extra things I might think of in the future to be included in my current requests.
I used to also mix this up with the Lord's Prayer as I kind of ending to it that no one else knew.
Plus, I feel to a degree it stymied my creativity. I found a box poetry I wrote as a child and almost every freakin' poem has some overbearing religious context and god overwatching his children. I wish instead I could have thought about other stuff.
To see just how bad it can get check out Jesus Camp
I know (e:enknot) that you and meg are nothing like the woman in this movie but check out Jesus Camp if you hadn't, to see how crazy kids can get with religion.
Here is the wiki article
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Location: Buffalo, NY
Category: food
01/27/08 05:31 - 33ºF - ID#43051
Replacing Honey
Sadly, this is not a metaphor for anything other than honey. Seeing as I did nothing this weekend, I spent all my fun time money on exotic foods suvh as imported proscuito, honies, olives, seafood.
This exotic, rare, white, organic hawaiian honey is the best I ever tasted. zthe consitency is like butter.
I felt so guilty in the end so donated $5 to the food shelter. I know that not but no one else in line donated, so at least maybe I will gain some karma back.
I also bought organic sugar coated, fruit gummi bears at Feel Rite. They taste so freakin' good. It would be way cheaper to get the in bulk online but I think I would die if I had 10 lbs of them. When I was chatting with (e:jim) about this I accidently type organic commie beers, weird.
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Location: Buffalo, NY
Category: photos
01/27/08 01:30 - 28ºF - ID#43047
Ivory Soap
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Location: Buffalo, NY
Category: computers
01/27/08 01:03 - 28ºF - ID#43046
Computers Suck Sometimes
(e:terry) went to some party with cats and then dancing for the last night of dancing at Off The Wall and (e:matthew) worked and then went to bed.
I hope winter will just end soon because right now I am on the verge of going crazy. Yesterday, a hard drive with lots of important backup stuff crashed. I was so annoyed considering I could have easily had a backup of he backup - but I didn't. Sometimes, even I hate computers.
I have a recovery program that could grab the data off of the drive but its a really time consuming file by file process and I don't have the time. So what is going to happen is the drive is going to go in the attic with the other 20 miscellaneous hard drives and someday if I need the data I will try again then.
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Category: words
01/26/08 11:19 - 22ºF - ID#43040
Words that annoy me
What is it with words like unbleached. I was reading the ingredients on some bread that said it contained unbleached flour. To me, it seems like it should really be non-bleached flour as unbleached implies that it was bleached and then the bleaching was removed or something.
Like, how untying your shoelace kind of requires that it be tied in the first place.
Wireless Thermostats
Does anyone have a wireless thermostat. I want one but I never saw one before. I ams ure they exist.
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Location: Buffalo, NY
Category: buffalo
01/26/08 10:17 - 22ºF - ID#43039
Friday
On the way to work in the morning I was walking past this building and what appeared to be a Realtor outside was telling a couple that the building I circled in red was slotted to become a parking lot. They were just working with the city to get the permits or something. Maybe, I heard them wrong. I really don't care either way as that part of the street is so dead from Medina Deli to the Dare Care but I wonder just how many parking lots will be on Main Street in the end.
For some reason, that was the only picture I took yesterday. It's weird.
Work
It was a great day for programming. I got so much done but I still feel like 10 feet underground because of the crazy amount of stuff I have lined up. There are seriously like 17 million things I have to program. Maybe I need a 30 inch monitor like (e:jim).
I got this security system deployed for the IP cameras at work. I was really happy with the result and apparently so was the VP of secuirty.
Uh, can I RAVE about this Paul Visco guy just a little bit right now.
Smokin hot.
So, seriously, I am a hard worker and I love doing what I do - and it is so great getting positive feedback from work. During my five years at Canisius I did some amazing stuff which I thought really helped the program and I never felt appreciated. What a difference it makes to feel like you are making a difference at your job and that you are important.
Night Time
(e:terry) and I went out with (e:jim) and (e:james). It was fun as usual and the first time I had some drinks since the Crohn's thing started. I felt fine. In fact I didn't feel sick at all today. Asacol is seriously a miracle drug. I just wish I didn't have to take 9 pills a day.
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Category: school
01/25/08 12:52 - 16ºF - ID#43026
At School WIth Terry
(e:terry)'s classes are in a room that could hold like 300 people. It has the ambiance of a bingo hall. It actually sounds almost just like one. People were disgusting and they left food everywhere.
Liek in every direction people just left food and drinks. I don't think I was ever in a class with more than like 30 people. Oh, once this biology class in germany but it was very intense and the people were really into it as you had to respond.
UB had this whole display about planning and talked about parking. Wow, there is sure a lot of it there on North Campus.
I got home a decided to take apart one of the old PDAs to see if I could canabalize the gsm modem for the not phone. I think it is totally possible but now I want a HSPDA one.
Watching the way over GPS
They had these crazy new pillar statues that look like they are being blown over, over by capen.
We ate dinner at Fuji Grill again.
Fuji Grill tastes pretty good but my surf clam was nothing liek the one I got the other day although it was very cute
(e:terry) got stir fry
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Location: Buffalo, NY
Category: estrip
01/24/08 11:40 - 16ºF - ID#43024
8,000,000 views later
I know code on a much more tightly timed loop could run a quadrillion times but it is exciting to see something you made work 8,000,000 without that many problems.
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Location: Buffalo, NY
Category: mobile
01/24/08 07:48 - 18ºF - ID#43019
I freakin love the not phone
Hopefully now my handwriting just gets better.
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Location: Buffalo, NY
Category: crohns
01/24/08 05:48 - 19ºF - ID#43017
New Doctor and Allergies
At least it doesn't have any real side effects for me. He said if I am not experiencing them now, I won't probably later.
So seriously, no one knows what causes this and I am at least lucky that mine is manageable. I think I will just east healthy from now on and hope for the best.
I hope medical science figures out some more details, someday.
And I got a copy of my allergy tests. I am way less allergic to dogs than cats. It wasn't just in my head. I am as allergic to maple and birch trees as I am to dogs. Cats I am way allergic to but even more than that I am alergic to mold that grows on plants and ragweed. In fact I am almost 5 times s allergic to ragweed as I am to trees.
They are sending me for a celliac disease test too s the other allergy test only confirmed an allergy to wheat and not that I am gluten intolerant.
Dr Bartolones office is so the future of doctors offices. It was beyond clean and formal. Everything was digitized and all the nurses carried portable tablet PCs. Even the screen had privacy screens. Morever, all the signatures were digital.
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Location: Buffalo, NY
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I was a devout Christian until age 17.5. I didn't have OCD or any mental problem that I know of. I took Christianity at face value, as a child: Here is something that is difficult to believe, yet your own flesh and blood are insisting that it is total balls-to-the-wall truth. Will I choose to do what feels right to me, or will I give them the benefit of the doubt, out of love? Looking at it that way, it becomes clear that one at least has to try.
Then you realize all were born in sin, which is why you even considered rejecting it based on how you felt personally about it. For a child, it becomes a dilemma of being mortally connected with flawed, subjective reasoning, and knowing you can never know, but being challenged not to reject it based on selfish desires. You look around and see 99% of the population indulging in their right to be wrong, and 99% of the church somehow comfortable with ignoring the absolute boldness of their own beliefs. To make things worse, you find yourself in the 1% of the 1%, and resolve that you are now so much different than the average person, what they think doesn't relate to you.
When I kicked the habit, it was because my girlfriend dumped me. I felt that I truly loved her, and besides, she was the only thing that made me feel good, especially with the ongoing dilemma. I became extremely emotional and changed instantly, in one night. I remember the exact minute.
Then I went away to boarding school, which was "nominally epsicopalian", with mandatory daily chapel and sunday services. And I just sort of tuned it out. But I vividly remember one day I was just blindly going through the routine and reciting the apostles' creed or the nicene creed (some creed) and I heard myself saying "I believe in heaven and earth, one holy roman catholic and apostolic church [weird, i thought, to say that in a NON-catholic church], one father, maker of heaven and earth, etc etc" and suddenly thinking "wait a second- no i don't! I don't believe in any of that!" And from then on I just stood there silently during most of it.
Part of the problem is that religion is not well explained to kids and often by parents who have no idea what the hell they are talking about. Catholicism, for example, is as much folk religion as it is official, Papal espoused religion. Most people can't be bothered to care whether or not Mary was born of a retroactive virgin birth or not but Catholic and Orthodox priests will beat the shit out of each other over it. I wouldn't bother with it either and pretend I was a little robot boy.
on a side note: i always wished i could be a believer. it was like some secret club everyone belonged to and i didn't know the password to get in. but it wasn't that i didn't know it, it was as if i was unable to speak the secret password. like i didn't have the ability actually have the sound come out of my mouth. asking me to believe is like asking me to fly. um...I CANNOT! it is not physically possible for me to do that. it never has been and it probably never will be. but i always thought it would have been nice. it would have given me some kind of structure, something to hold on to.
I do feel for people who have been hurt by their parent's religion.
Plus, I think the catholic church really makes it all seem more like magic. I really believed that somehow the priests were doing some sort of magic spells on the wine to turn it into Christ's blood. That plus the chilling jesus nailed to a cross images in the church. Its all rather freaky I think. I am not saying that I wasn't a crazy kid. But once I separated myself from that environment - I NEVER had this problem with any other sort of thing in my life. Okay, maybe I obsessively journal, lol.
I don't want to come across as some arrogant, hey, i've diagnosed your problem kind of person
If it wasn't religion, it could easily have been something else (Pokemon, Dungeons and Dragons, math, computers, your other imaginary friends, whatever) and it could have been just as damaging.
For me, your story isn't a cautionary tale on not teaching religion to children at an early age. I see it more as a caution to check in with my children as to what's going on in their head because mental health issues can be so deceptive and so hidden.
I was a youth leader in our church's youth group for nearly seven years and in my experience, most if not all of the kids that were raised in the church eventually reached a point where they had to decide for themselves whether they truly believed what their parents did. Some decided they did and stayed on, continuing to attend. Others didn't and moved on to pursue life outside the church's walls. That's the beauty of Christianity (or at least my "sect") -- it's something you have to sign up for personally (hence why my church practices adult baptism).
Sure Christianity has its share of wackos, but any interest group experiences the same thing. Look at PETA or Greenpeace. The majority of the folks involved are pretty even-keeled but then you have those that behave outside the bounds of society's norm -- and THEY'RE the ones that get the attention.
The Left Behind multimedia monster is also pretty off the wall. Sadly, many Christians don't seem to see it for what it is: a money grab by Tim LaHaye and friends. I mean come on.. Board games? Video games?
It's all pretty embarrassing, to be honest. Since I became a believer 12 years ago, I feel like I've spent more time apologizing for my faith than anything else concerning it.
I don't know too many people who say "religion damaged me" because they were never allowed to go off the deep end. If anything, they became MORE moderate, not less over time. That's sort of the way I turned out. Anyway, I've been damaged a heck of a lot more by people than by God.
I wouldn't advise anyone not well familiar with the different types of Christians and Christian practices to watch this movie. This documentary is flawed in so many ways that it can only contribute misunderstanding of the Christian faith.
My favorite is that it interexchangeably uses the terms fundamentalism; orthodoxy; evangelical; evangelism; and charismatic as though they are all the same. It thus creates this allusion that anyone who is fundamentalist; orthodox; evangelical or charismatic (which covers pretty much close to the entire faith) practices their faith as demonstrated in this video.