Category: english
10/31/08 10:55 - ID#46445
Boy, Guy, Man - Girl, Gal?, Woman
I never call a male a boy, but sometime I call a female a girl. I think that seems wrong but often the reason is that I don't want to say woman as it sounds formal and kind of oldish. Just like I almost never refer to a male as a man.
I never say, "I talked to this man at work the other day." I would instead say, "I talked to this guy at work." Somehow, it doesn't even seem to matter what age the male was, I almost never say man. (e:hodown) says she says dude for where I say guy.
The problem is that Gal - what I think is the female equivalent of Guy - seems so colloquial and not very popular, not to mention it kind of comes off as having a sexist tone, even when unintended - like broad. Maybe its because of the generation that would typically use it. "I talked to this girl," sounds demeaning. "I talked to this woman," sounds cold and unfriendly to me.
And Then There Is You Guys
What's worse is that I often find myself saying "you guys" when referring to a group of woman. Approach by a group of female friends: "Oh, I haven't seen you guys in so long." You gals sounds sound ridiculous and y'all is way to southern colloquial. I could always use the more Buffalo based expression. "I have seen yous? in so long" I don't even know how to spelled it, it is pronounced like "use."
So what should I say? I think I might just never refer to females with pronouns again to avoid the embarrassment. But then thats kind of weird too. It almost like the language makes it difficult to refer to females
Gosh just try and look up all these terms on google images and it give you an idea about their usage.
I never say, "I talked to this man at work the other day." I would instead say, "I talked to this guy at work." Somehow, it doesn't even seem to matter what age the male was, I almost never say man. (e:hodown) says she says dude for where I say guy.
The problem is that Gal - what I think is the female equivalent of Guy - seems so colloquial and not very popular, not to mention it kind of comes off as having a sexist tone, even when unintended - like broad. Maybe its because of the generation that would typically use it. "I talked to this girl," sounds demeaning. "I talked to this woman," sounds cold and unfriendly to me.
And Then There Is You Guys
What's worse is that I often find myself saying "you guys" when referring to a group of woman. Approach by a group of female friends: "Oh, I haven't seen you guys in so long." You gals sounds sound ridiculous and y'all is way to southern colloquial. I could always use the more Buffalo based expression. "I have seen yous? in so long" I don't even know how to spelled it, it is pronounced like "use."
So what should I say? I think I might just never refer to females with pronouns again to avoid the embarrassment. But then thats kind of weird too. It almost like the language makes it difficult to refer to females
Gosh just try and look up all these terms on google images and it give you an idea about their usage.
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There used to be all kinds of terms: birds, babes, dolls, etc. but none of them seemed to last the way guys has. My vote is ladies over women. And I can't stand "yous" or "yous guys" - but I grew up in a house with an English professor for a mother - we would have been whacked in the head for using either of those.
Like you, mostly it is the use of "guys", that I prefer. Never "gals" though. I often generalize "guys" to include females. It is more neutral sounding to me than gender specific when used as "hey guys whats up". But obviously gender specific if i hear/say, "I talked to this guy.."
When I use the word "boys", it is slighted to be demeaning or cutesy. I do however, often use and hear "girls" and I don't think it sounds demeaning or cutesy. It is more equivalent to the "guy" word than using "gal", I think.
So "guy/girl" it is!
"Yos" and "y'all" both sound southern and informal of course. And we can't forget Drew's Appalachian "yinz" or the (common in Buffalo) "yous", completing our tour of common second person plural gender neutral pronouns in American sub-dialects.
I tend to use "y'all" sometimes.