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Category: events

06/15/08 05:11 - 80ºF - ID#44657

Art fest and varrious thoughts

I have not downloaded my pictures yet so no pictures yet, I want to wait till after Monday's dinner and then I'm guessing those pictures would be more important any ways. First of all it was nice to see you (e:tinypliny) (twice) I hope you understood that I meant the Kettle Korn was down near Jim's Steak out and Sweet tooth. After I saw you it dawned On me I could have went with you and then gone to sample since they had 2 for 1 Shaken Daquris well I hope you had a good time. (e:carolinian) I hope you and your family enjoy the festival and that you had a good fathers day and got some art you like, I extend that happy fathers day to everyone. I also think I saw an (e:peep) yesterday but I wasn't sure if it was her or not since it is a peep I only know from postings. I also saw (I blanked on her name) That tall blond girl from the party the other night. I did try some food and did like the mini beef on wecks from sample. I bought art that I liked and also saw lots of people who would look pretty on my futon, HA, but they really would. So in my previous post I mention that there are people who want to save the livery and today they had there signs in front of the hotel lenox, I assume because the people who own that building used to own the Lenox and let it fall apart. I wonder how many of those parking places are legit. For example yesterday they where charging to park in Latinos lot and today in was coned off. The other odd thing is that some people where charing to park in the back lot and it was for a different amount of money. So land owned by the same company has two different prices, something was going on there. There was also people with signs protesting Iraq or maybe just war itself or maybe it is how America wants to be an empire. One of the guys there was also at the Pride Parade. It is a good way to get your message out with a lot of people out and about. To the larson's hope you birthdays are great and that you both get to see and spend some time with (e:ladycroft). I will admit that this cluster fuck of thoughts is kinda out there. I still have to find frames for some of the art work I bought I will do a little on line search and see where to buy them who knows maybe with some luck I get that done on tuesday. Hope everyone had a great time this weekend.
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Category: news

06/14/08 08:18 - 71ºF - ID#44649

Save the livery

So I had a good time at the Allentown Art Fest today. I bought some Buffalo pictures and a couple of Asia. But on my way there I found out that they most likely will be tearing down the livery it is an old building that used to be stables





A few links about the story. I will admit I have no idea how much it would cost to fix this building up. But if people can save the Central Terminal why not this. I'm not an investor so I'm not sure what it could be used for but I'm sure there are plenty of things from a museum or condos it is in a good part of town there is no reason it can't be saved or used for something else. It is a shame it has come to this but maybe someone can find a way to save it and reuse it, it has been used before.
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Category: entertainment

06/13/08 06:10 - 87ºF - ID#44642

Bleach & Square

So I kinda messed up on some dates so I missed Bleach On Wendsday night. But then I decided that I wanted to see it so I went to the regal last night. I would have liked to gone to TiTs or TaTs but I miss planed. Bleach memory of Nobody was pretty good, if you like the cartoon or manga you would like it. They came up with a new character for the story and it was a pretty cool story. The animation was pretty cool also along with the action. I can't really say to much else with out giving any thing away. On a side note I both love and hate this heat we are having. Yes the heat is nice and everything and it will make the art festival fun and push people to buy drinks. The bad part about the heat is that it makes my physical job tough, it feels so hot in the warehouse and it weighs on you, but it is still better then the cold.
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Category: issues

06/11/08 07:03 - 76ºF - ID#44621

Censoring the next loss of freedom


So today reading the Buffalo News I found and interesting story about the internet. That is the link to the original article. Here is my take on what is happening here. I think internet companies are giving our freedom away and Cuomo is taking our freedom away also. Some might say "But Pete child porn is evil and anyone who would rape a child is sick and should go to jail or be killed or raped why are you defending them". I'm not defending them at all. I think that most people would think that Child Porn is very wrong and that it hurts a lot of people. Not sure how I feel about people who like the pictures but don't hurt anyone and just look at them and I'm sure there is some debate on that. I'm sure people disagree on what the punishment should be for child porn. It is a big problem and real solutions need to be found. One of those solutions isn't making internet providers the cops.

What happens often is that people think that because something is bad or evil that they have a right to do things that are wrong to that person or do things that they normally wouldn't do. For example someone rapes a girl and then they think that, that guy should be raped every day in jail. But see what they don't understand is that rape is wrong so him being raped is just as wrong. So in theory everyone who rapes the rapest is just as bad as him, so then someone should rape them, sorry that is conflictory and makes no sense.

Since Child Porn is wrong people think that it is ok to sensor web sites that help pass it to other people. But what if that site has other stuff other then porn why hurt the entire site. But see what these companies don't get is that once you do it once when asked to you are now an internet cop. Once you do this once you will continue to do this with other things. What if Some powerful senator thinks Marriage is between a man and women and so he gets websites that fight for gay rights or marraige to be taken down. Some would say that would never happen. But see internet companies are now the cops so if they think it is wrong goodbye. Or maybe what about underage drinking. What if they go after sites that tell how to make drinks with out making sure people are 21. Hey underage drinking when you mix driving kills a lot of people I can see how now the internet cops could close down those sites. hey why not take that another step and go after pictures of people drinking on the net who might not be legal age. Why not just go after any site that does that and stop access. Once you let the government tell you what can and can't be on the internet you have let your rights be taken away and then can lead to not being able to keep the government honest. If you think this can't happen go look at China's Internet.

I'm sure I could come up with a bunch of different examples to show what I mean. The thing is that morality is different for different people. I'm sure there are some people who have sex with kids (not teens who fuck around and are underage) and think it is fine. Things that are illegal should be fought by the police and undercover people on line and there should be over sight so that they follow the law. If you break the law to capture someone you are just another criminal your self and are no better then they are. But see that is the job of the law officals not the people who allow you access to the internet.


Other then the fact that we are giving away our rights again to feel safe. There is another issue. If the internet companies are given the keys to the cuffs and made cops then what happens next and how far will they go and how many more rights will the violate. So lets say Time Warner knows making bombs is illegal and the mis one site and someone blows something up and people die. Well now that timewarner is the cops they could be sued, hey they should have pulled down that site. So because of that it could make the internet even more restricted.

Yes internet child porn is bad and should be fought but this is not the way to do it. When ever anyone sees their rights being given up or the possiblity of that happening maybe it should be fought. At the very least you should understand what is going on and think about it. Not sure if there is anyway to fight it as an indivual. I think if the internet companies are supbenied by a judge for a case then yes they should give up the information but none of the witch hunt stuff.

In any event it is an interesting article. I will end like this. People will not stand up for the rights of people they think are different then them selves but when the powers that be attack what you believe in or you then it will be so different now that it is you. Don't give up your rights to feel safer, all it does any ways is make you less safe. I would love to know how our founding fathers would think about things like this and the Patriot act.

Internet providers to cut off child porn
Three companies settle after probe by Cuomo
By Susan Schulman
Updated: 06/11/08 6:50 AM



Associated Press
Andrew M. Cuomo announces agreement with three service providers.





Under pressure from the state attorney general, Internet providers Verizon, Time Warner Cable and Sprint are taking steps to block computer access to news groups that disseminate child pornography and to knock down Web sites hosting the illegal material.

The moves, long sought by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, are considered a significant effort to deal with the child pornography explosion on the Internet around the world.

"This is a major step forward. We hope this will become a model for the rest of the industry," said Ernie Allen, head of the center based in Alexandria, Va.

State Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo announced the settlement Tuesday after an eight-month investigation by his office into the proliferation of online child pornography.

Under the settlement, the three major Internet providers, which did not admit any wrongdoing, not only will take steps to rid their own networks of child pornography but also will contribute $1.12 million to fund additional efforts by the attorney general's office and the national center to remove child pornography from the Internet.

In "The Child Porn Pipeline," a series published last June, The Buffalo News revealed that most of the commercial child pornography disseminated worldwide - one study put the figure at 62 percent - is posted through Internet service providers in the United States.

The series described the national center's efforts to persuade service providers to shut down and block access to child pornography sites.

But many providers resisted, saying that policing the Internet was not their job.

A decade ago, service providers in Great Britain began closing sites and cutting off access to Internet child pornography.

British computer servers and Web sites, which once provided 18 percent of commercial child pornography produced in the world, now account for 1 percent.

While U. S. law enforcement focused much of its attention on arresting the people viewing, and to a lesser extent making and distributing, child pornography, Cuomo's investigation went after the Internet companies whose servers and networks host and disseminate the material.

Allen has supported that approach, saying so many people view child pornography that "unless you turn off the spigot, you are not really going to address the enormity of the problem."

The undercover probe by the attorney general's office found 88 different news groups - online bulletin boards where users can upload and download files - with a total of 11,390 lewd photos of young children, including some being raped.

Posing as subscribers, investigators then complained to the Internet providers about the availability of child pornography.

But the material remained available, and the service providers contended they were not responsible for the material that others share on news groups or post on Web sites, Cuomo said.

But he rejected that argument and threatened to bring charges against the companies, which led to the settlement announced Tuesday.

Two of the three service providers agreed to block access to news groups linked to child pornography, while Time Warner said it will eliminate news groups from its services.

"It's a small percentage of our users," said Alex Dudley, Time Warner spokesman.

"We are not comfortable with them," he continued. "Our best recourse is to take them down. Time Warner is discontinuing news groups."

The three Internet companies also agreed to work with the national center to remove Web sites hosting child pornography.

The center maintains a list of 39,000 Web addresses that contained child pornography, Allen said.

A few of the larger Internet companies use the list to identify and remove child pornography, but thousands of smaller Internet companies do not, the center has said.

Time Warner said that, upon learning that no action had been taken on a child pornography report, the company, under its established policy, immediately submitted the report to the national center.

Once it received confirmation of child pornography, the company took down the news groups, Dudley said.

At Verizon, any child pornography news group reported to the company was taken down promptly, said Eric Rabe, vice president for communications.

Verizon and Time Warner also are working with the national center to take down any confirmed child pornography sites, their spokesmen said.

Sprint spokesman Matthew Sullivan said getting child pornography off the Internet is one of the company's priorities.

"Battling this scourge requires close collaboration of many parties," he said at Tuesday's news conference in Cuomo's New York City office.

Verizon, with 8.2 million subscribers, and Time Warner's Road Runner, with 7.9 million, are two of the five largest Internet service providers in the world, while Sprint is one of the three largest wireless companies in the United States.

While the five largest companies control a major share of the Internet market, thousands of smaller servers are also involved in Internet operations.

Cuomo said his investigation is continuing.

sschulman@buffnews.com


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Category: issues

06/09/08 08:03 - 86ºF - ID#44597

Racism causes High Gas price (2nd)

First of all for anyone reading this my previous journal has pictures from The pride parade and the one before that from the (e:strip) party (wish they came out better). I know the tittle might not seem to make sense but it is a little bit of a theory that I have. I have to admit that I am my self a little racist the quick answer to that is that I try not to be but things that have happened to me and things I have seen have made me that way. That doesn't mean I don't like blacks in fact there are a lot of them I do like and consider family and there are some (e:peeps) I think are pretty cool and that I like.

The reason that gas prices are so high is simple supply (well maybe not really simple) iand demand. People need their cars and trucks. Most people who drive are used to driving and can't just stop driving. So as long as that stays true then people have to pay what the stations charge for gas. The reason they can't give up there cars is because the suburbs are all stretched out and spaced out on (yes I do believe this) Purpose so you have to drive to shop. Often because of this sometimes there isn't any bus service since everyone drives. I think this is done on purpose to keep the poor and blacks out (like in the Cynthia Wiggins case where the Mall didn't want the Bus on its grounds).

The second reason people can't just stop driving there cars is because most people don't work where they live. As an example I have all ways taken a bus I've gone to Orchard Park, Grand Island, and now Cheap-to-vegas (if I worked Sunday I would be screwed). Often people in the burbs work in another one or in the city and people who live in the city work out in the burbs. Yes I will admit there are some towns that have shops and stuff but I don't mean those places. What I'm talking about is sprawl. I'm not sure what caused all the sprawl but I can guess that Womens Liberation, Blacks trying to get rights, School iintergration, Anti-war movements and new minorites trying to move in is what sent most people out of the city. Yes there are some generaly bad people who do cause trouble. But my assertion is that most of the sprawl was because of racism. So if you assume that is true then Racism-->Sprawl-->Not being able to stop using your car-->High demand-->Power to charge what ever they want for gas.

Granted I know that their are other factors that go into the gas prices. But the thing that would cut prices the most is if people just stopped driving. There are other ways to cut gas consumption and one of them may be places of work making work days less and hours longer. People who don't need to drive somewhere walking or neigh boors going shopping together to cut down on the amount of trips they make. When you need food and stuff for the house get it all in one trip so you don't have to drive to buy stuff everyday, maybe come up with creative solutons. But back to my point if it wasn't for racism people could just stop driving because they would work where they live and shop the same way. The ironic thing is that in the old days when all the Germans and Irish all lived together by nationality that living situation would make this gas problem go away, not saying we should go back to those times just kinda ironic

As a side note I have heard Con. St near the college is getting very nice. When I was growing up it was kinda rough, but not really, just part of it might have been. I knew someone who was Italian who remembers when "the hood" aka blacks and hispanics moved in went bad and and all the Italian owned places burned down, he remembers the fires. He was Italian and still lived on the west side.
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Category: photos

06/09/08 07:30 - 86ºF - ID#44595

Buffalo Gay Pride parade (1st post)

So On Sunday I decided to head up to Elmwood for the pride parade. Maybe it was around 12 or 12:15. I thought I might run into a few (e:peeps) but I didn't see any. I wound up watching the parade from the corner at spot. It started out as me having the best spot on the corner. But eventully as people got pumped up and excited they wound up in the street and in front of me so some of my pictures didn't come out as good as I would have liked, but I still had a good time. I don't know really how to explain it really. If you want to see the picture I took in order (since it is a parade you might want to) here is a link or at least the web address.
After the parade I decided to not go to the the festival stuff. I had been in the sun long enough plus I wanted to download and upload pictures and some other stuff. It would have been nice to go but I didn't. So here is the Parade the pictures will be kinda in reverse order so you can start at the bottom and come up, or watch it in reverse.


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Well my plan didn't work really I was hoping doing it backwards would line them up in perfect order but it didn't. I also by mistake put up a few repeats. I hope everyone likes the pictures and for those that went hope to see your pictures and hope you had a good time. I wish I knew how to explain to non gays why pride parades are important but even if I could I don't know as they would get it. I admit I don't know what it is like to be gay and then to let family know and they dis own you or you lose friends, that doesn't happen with everyone but I would imagine it would be pretty tough. Before I forget pictures can be nice but I wish I got some that showed the people and viewers and the social aspects of the Parade. There are things that can't really be caught like the atmosphere and things like that. A lot of that is location, like that giant flag you would have to be high up to really get that, oh yeah and that dragon was pretty cool to and would look better looking down on it, hope everyone there had a good time.
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Category: photos

06/08/08 03:35 - 80ºF - ID#44589

E strip Party

So I had a good time at the party last night. It was very nice to see a few (e:peeps) there and glad that you fathers out there where able to make it and have a good time. Before the party went to the Dyke march. That sounds so wrong to type but isn't that what it is called or also known as Dykes on bikes. Sorry to (e:Paul) for making you late there was some crazy stuff in that Wilson Farms. That being said I didn't really get any pictures of it cause it went by so fast. That being said it was nice to see everyone before the March. Well I guess I should get to the pictures, I will warn you now there will be a ton of them and some of them look like they may come out a bit dark but here they are.


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Oh if there is anyone new who haven't seen my pictures before it is important to know that I put them up in groups in order. But when you upload multiple pictures they don't go up in the order they where taken, I'm not sure if it has something to do with how they are named or what that is, but just so you know. Ok on to the party.


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all right you if you are still looking at pictures are about 10% through my post, Kidding. If you don't like your picture sorry I'm more of the candid shots. That does remind me even though I don't do the sea food thing those crab claws wrapped in bacon did look pretty tasty (e:Paul) has some pretty good pictures on his journal.


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All in all the party was pretty nice. I have to thank (e:pmt) for having it. It was a calm party from what I saw but I don't know if anything went on upstairs when I wasn't there, but there where no BJ's in the hall or spanking with spoons or belts, and no depanting of mike that I know of, or any wrestling matches. Hey sometimes that stuff can be fun and who knows maybe the next party will be super crazy or maybe it will be mellow. I did wake up tired this morning and that was one of the reasons I didn't go to the post parade stuff, but if I did I couldn't be posting this now. I did enjoy talking with the people I talked with. Back to the parade hopefully that will be a post for Monday.
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Category: event

06/07/08 12:31 - 77ºF - ID#44576

The Stripteasers

Last night I went to see the Stripteasers at I almost wrote Roxy's where they are known to perform but it was at Nietches. Before they went on stage they had two acts. The girl singer I liked, the bear guy (sorry don't remember his name) wasn't really my thing. I did have a good time or maybe it was just all the Alcohol. No It wasn't just the alcohol I did have a good time. I have seen them before at Music is Art and then I think I have also seen them do some stage stuff there also as kinda the last act. I don't know how to describe them other then burlesque and they do little skits. It was a good time I would go again.
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Category: issues

06/06/08 07:59 - 85ºF - ID#44569

Girl on Girl vs. Boy seatle


So I don't feel like being sued by CNN so here is the link to there story about the lesbians kissing in Seattle At a base ball game. I found it because I did a search for the story I read in the Buffalo News. My take on the story is People where making out at the Mariners baseball game. Nothing was said to the man and women making out. But the two ladies where kicked out. There is a claim that the ladies where groping, hey why no video, HA. I guess there was a family with kids who complained because they had to explain to kids why two girls where kissing. I guess at some point you have to explain that to kids but all you would have to say is you know how boys kiss girls well sometimes girls kiss girls. That would be it assuming the kids allready know that. If there are no PDA at the game then they should have that throughout the entire place regardless of gender or sex. The girls think they where kicked out because they where gay and the stadium says that isn't true. I think the real problem here is that often things are done because of a complaint. The same thing could happen with swearing, it is a baseball game you are supposed to yell at the ump for a shitty call, but if you have Mr. Sensitive you could get in trouble. It would be nice to know what is really happening. That being said at a lot of sports events they do have Kiss Cams and sometimes they are sponsored by a company, the ones I have seen have all ways been man on woman or Rax (bandits games) with to ladies. I have seen as a joke two people of the opposing team so there is kinda that atmosphere as a factor.

Fuck it here it is

SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- Most of the time, a kiss is just a kiss in the stands at Seattle Mariners games. The crowd hardly even pays attention when fans smooch.
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Sirbrina Guerrero complained after an usher told her to stop kissing her date at a Seattle Mariners game in May.

But last week, a lesbian complained that an usher at Safeco Field asked her to stop kissing her date because it was making another fan uncomfortable.

The incident has exploded on local TV, on talk radio and in the blogosphere and has touched off a debate over public displays of affection in generally gay-friendly Seattle.

"Certain individuals have not yet caught up. Those people see a gay or lesbian couple and they stare or say something," said Josh Friedes of Equal Rights Washington. "This is one of the challenges of being gay. Everyday things can become sources of trauma."

As the Mariners played the Boston Red Sox on May 26, Sirbrina Guerrero and her date were approached in the third inning by an usher who told them their kissing was inappropriate, Guerrero said.

The usher, Guerrero said, told them he had received a complaint from a woman nearby who said that there were kids in the crowd of nearly 36,000 and that parents would have to explain why two women were kissing.

"I was really just shocked," Guerrero said. "Seattle is so gay-friendly. There was a couple like seven rows ahead making out. We were just showing affection."

On Monday, Mariners spokeswoman Rebecca Hale said that the club is investigating but that the usher was responding to a complaint of two women "making out" and "groping" in the stands.

"We have a strict non-discrimination policy at the Seattle Mariners and at Safeco Field, and when we do enforce the code of conduct it is based on behavior, not on the identity of those involved," Hale said.

The code of conduct -- announced before each game -- specifically mentions public displays of affection that are "not appropriate in a public, family setting." Hale said those standards are based on what a "reasonable person" would find inappropriate.

Guerrero denied she and her date were groping each other, saying that along with eating garlic fries, they were giving each other brief kisses.

On Tuesday, Guerrero said a Mariners director of guest services had apologized to her. The team spokeswoman could not immediately confirm that.

After the story broke, the Mariners were blasted by the sex-advice columnist Dan Savage, who wrote about the incident on the blog of the Stranger, an alternative weekly paper.

"I constantly see people making out," Savage said. "My son has noticed and asked, 'Do they show the ballgame on women's foreheads?'"

Savage called for a "kiss-in" to protest against the Mariners.

Web sites have been swamped with blog postings for and against Guerrero and her date. And the story has people talking in Seattle.

"I would be uncomfortable" seeing public displays of affection between lesbians or gay men, said Jim Ridneour, a 54-year-old taxi driver. "I don't think it's right seeing women kissing in public. If I had my family there, I'd have to explain what's going on."

"It all depends on the degree," Mark Ackerman said as he waited for a hot dog outside Safeco Field before Wednesday's game. "Even for heterosexual couples."

Since the incident, Guerrero's job and her past have come under scrutiny. She works at a bar known for scantily clad women and was a contestant on the MTV reality show "A Shot at Love With Tila Tequila," in which women and men compete for the affection of a bisexual Internet celebrity.

"People are saying it's 15 more minutes for my career," Guerrero said of the ballpark furor, "but this is not making me look very good."

In 2007, an Oregon transit agency chief apologized after a lesbian teenager was kicked off a bus when a passenger complained about her kissing another girl.

Also in 2007, a gay rights group protested a Kansas City, Missouri, restaurant they said ejected four women because two of them kissed, and a Texas state trooper was placed on probation in 2004 for telling two gay men who were kissing at the state Capitol that homosexual conduct was illegal in Texas.

"There's a double standard. That's the bottom line," said Pat Griffin, director of the It Takes a Team! Education Campaign, an initiative from the Women's Sports Foundation to eliminate homophobia in sports



The story in the Buffalo news.

One thing I forgot about is one of the girls was On season 2 of a shot at love with Tila Tequila, she has been elimantated maybe a week or two ago of viewing.

on A side note I look forward to seeing everyone at the Party on Sat at the 24.

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06/04/08 06:23 - 71ºF - ID#44546

Gay Is Ok2 Cali Style


First of all (e:libertad) On my other post with this name You made a very good point about self hate. I think that is true for other groups of people also. Also on my previous post I did Burn 30Days but haven't had time to watch it yet. I do plan on going to the Parade on Sunday to take pictures, maybe around spot, I wonder if I should take some pictures at Kleinhans if I wake up early enough or who knows maybe I'll still be up. I guessing I'll just be there for the Parade though. Before I forget The Stripteasers who preform at Roxy's (never been) will be doing a full show on Friday at Nietcehes I think it is like $7, I plan on going to that. Not sure what will happen if I take pictures, maybe pictures with no flash we shall see.


I will admit that after reading the article below I'm not sure if it is possible for people in California to try and stop this. I'm not sure if there is a way to define being married as being a man and women , but in any event it looks like gay Marriage is legal. But that does bring up a question I have? Why not change the tittle of Gay Marriage to Same Sex Marriage. The reason I say this is what if two friends want to get married for the benefits. You know how some guys are so close they are like brothers or two girls are like sisters. Well what if say one of them has a kid if something happens then the other person could raise the kid and they would just take right over. Or what if one of the people gets real sick then there legal partner could do all the legal stuff since they would be legaly married. The other thing it would do is, take of the negative stigma of the word gay it might even make basicly the same thing more exceptable to a lot of people, just and idea. Here is the article.

California court says gay marriages can proceed

By Adam Tanner 1 hour, 1 minute ago

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's Supreme Court gave the final green light on Wednesday for gay marriages to begin later this month, turning down requests for a delay.


The most populous U.S. state's highest court ruled last month that refusing homosexuals the right to wed violated the state constitution.

Opponents then asked the court to halt the start of gay weddings until November, when the state's voters will decide a ballot measure that, if approved by a simple majority, will define marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

"It would have been unprecedented to postpone constitutional rights based on speculation of how a political scenario may or may not play out," San Francisco city attorney Dennis Herrera said.

"Folks can get married on June 17," he said.

The court voted 4-3 to deny the petition to stay the decision. The same judges voted the same way on May 15 in the landmark decision, hailed by gay activists and condemned by social conservatives.

The court's original ruling becomes final at 5 p.m. on June 16, opening the way for gay marriages to start the next day.

"This is another four-to-three vote for legal chaos," Glen Lavy, senior counsel at the Alliance Defense Fund, which is fighting against gay marriage, said in a statement.

"This decision is the most egregious case of judicial activism in modern American history. The refusal to wait for the people to decide by the constitutional process confirms that."

GAY MARRIAGE OPEN TO ALL

Massachusetts is the only U.S. state that allows same-sex marriage, but offers licenses only to its own residents. California has no residency requirement, which means gays from across the United States will be able to go there to marry.

San Francisco, internationally known for its gay community, briefly allowed homosexuals to marry four years ago before a court ended the ceremonies. The legal battle that followed culminated in last month's decision.

Gay marriage remains a topic of hot debate in U.S. politics. More than 25 states have constitutional amendments barring gay marriage.

The group behind the November California ballot measure against gay marriage expects to spend at least $10 million in the campaign.

Polls have showed contrasting trends. A Field poll published last week showed 51 percent in favor of gay marriage and 42 percent opposed. But a Los Angeles Times poll a week before found 54 percent backed the amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman while 35 percent opposed it.

Should that measure pass, gay marriages could again come to an end. But thousands of same-sex couples are expected to tie the knot over the summer.

(Editing by David Storey and Alan Elsner)



One other thing I thought of is that there is no requirement to live in CA. So I wonder if that will encourage people to come there to get married and have a ceramonie and then go back to there state where they aren't acknowledged as being married. Then maybe if enough people do that it might get some movements going stronger in states to get at least any marraige rights to be rocongized like how NYS is doing it. In any event very interesting times we live in.
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