01/28/08 07:12 - 29ºF - ID#43055

Values of values and stuff...

This post might be a little scatter brained since I haven't posted in like a million years and I have a lot on my brain.

Ok... I just finished reading a ValueTales book about honesty, and I'm feeling amazing. So, in the spirit of the book I have a few things to report, and some questions to ask.

Isn't the lil Confucius on the cover super cute?

I haven't been posting half cause I'm super busy, and half because I know Meg reads my posts kinda religiously (hi honey). I used to come here to dump my brains out so that you all can help sort things for me since I sincerely value the perspectives of others and I think that airing any kind of problem out helps to solve it, but I also realize the kind of person Meg is and that she probably wouldn't feel comfortable with you all after having all of our underwear flung in your faces over these here interwebs, and she likes you guys, and so do I.

Still, after reading this book I was compelled to post something since it brought up a lot of questions in my mind as well as some fun conclusions that I don't think you all deserve to miss out on, and I could use some help.

A while back Meg did her best to explain science and religion to the midget (I know that's a terrible nickname and diminutive people the world over can send their hate mail to itsjustanickname@noreply.jez ) and Mya rung out with absolute certainty, "I pick GOD!" We shrugged and went ahead to support her decision by buying her a children's bible (my mom is pleased as punch).

Look how cute those bible people are

We've read a ton of these bible stories to her and I know their entertaining, but she has so many questions that I know when I heard these stories the first time I didn't get answers to, and that she still looks at us for some simple explanations to.

To boot, she's a very strong willed and cocksure person. She does cruel things to people, as any child will, and I haven't run across a story in the bible to help me help her with the character flaws (since that's my job). Maybe one of you peeps who know the bible better can help out with that. Still nothing has addressed this topic more directly than this ValueTales book.

A factoid For all you you who are into Larry the Cucumber who are thinking what I thought when I saw the words and font, ValueTales(mid 70's) came before VeggieTales (late 90's), but I digress...

The value tales have impressed me with the Honesty title, and I'm going to pick up the rest of the books in the series after seeing the titles and who their about.

joshua writes at 09:49:47 01/29/08 - Comment #31014: Your journal is being audited by Meg for technical accuracy and compliance! Compliance to what, you'll have to work that one out on your own.

metalpeter writes at 05:29:47 01/28/08 - Comment #30991: Sorry I don't remember the exact "" or where it was from but it was something like this. The guy looked to answers about the world and things with science. But then when it came to the really important things he looked to god for the answers. That kinda goes back to what (e:paul) said that you can still have both. It isn't like you believe in god and then tell your science teacher to fuck when they talk about evolution and walk out of class.

enknot writes at 02:45:50 01/28/08 - Comment #30981: Ok something that I have to point out here is that we did ask her to pick one. meg made the mistake of saing tha

mrdeadlier writes at 12:40:11 01/28/08 - Comment #30970: oh yeah and my first thought was that valuetales was a total veggietales ripoff too. but i'll digress as well.

mrdeadlier writes at 12:32:41 01/28/08 - Comment #30969: Not to sound trite, but if you believe God created science (as I do) then well... there's an answer to every question anyone can come up with. People just haven't figured it out for themselves yet.

And one more thing... HE SAID "DANCE!"

drew writes at 10:51:32 01/28/08 - Comment #30960: I second what Paul said below.

My response to your and Paul's post is my latest post.

paul writes at 10:20:46 01/28/08 - Comment #30957: So my other comment, or your case in specific and in reference "A while back Meg did her best to explain science and religion ... and Mya rung out with absolute certainty, "I pick GOD!"

First of all, as a disclaimer -w ho the fuck am I to say how to raise a child, lol.

But my two cents: Wow, I think that it is a really bad idea to make science and God seems like polar opposites that a child has to choose from. I don't even know any devotedly religious people that do that. Save maybe the Chirstian Scientists or Jevohah witnesses.

Science and Religion don't have to be mutually exclusive. You run the risk of a child that inherently refuses to believe in reason over imagination. Like a child that refuses to take medicine because God will cure them. Or that can't grasp the scientific method because their whole idea of inquiry is prayer.

paul writes at 09:52:01 01/28/08 - Comment #30954: I posted my response as a journal because it was too long (e:paul,43057)

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01/02/08 05:39 - 14ºF - ID#42727

Meanings of meanings...of neon bibles

Ok here's some lyrics to a song you can hear by watching one of the videos at the bottom of this post. Don't let the images influence you. If you want a purely musical performace of the piece try the first video, if you want the recorded version so you can understand the lyrics better check the seond. The first one is, IMHO, much more amazing since it's played in an elevator and the snare drum is a pages being torn out of a magazine.

The name of the song is Neon Bible, and though I'm not feeling particularly feisty in a religion/anti-religion sense, I'm asking you dear peeps what you make of it.

I'm really interested to ask that here where I know there are two Christians that frequent this site who's perspective please and delight me (that's right (e:mrdeadlier) and (e:drew)), but because I like the general perspective of most of you peeps on (e:strip).

So without further ado the lyrics to the Neon Bible:

Vial of hope and a vial of pain
In the light they both looked the same
Poured them out on into the world
On every boy and every girl singing

It's the Neon Bible, the Neon Bible
Not much chance for survival
If the Neon Bible is right

Take the poison of your age
Don't lick your fingers when you turn the page
What I know is what you know is right
In the city you see only light

It's the Neon Bible, the Neon Bible
Not much chance for survival
If the Neon Bible is right

Oh god, well, look at you now!
Oh, you lost it, but you don't know how!
In the light of a golden calf
Oh god, I had to laugh!
Take the poison of your age
Don't lick your fingers when you turn the page
It was wrong but you said it was right
In the future I will read at night

In the Neon Bible, the Neon Bible
Not much chance for survival
If the Neon Bible is true

I've read many prespectives from the general public here .

Some you tubey goodness...

The MTV version
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scott writes at 04:35:03 01/03/08 - Comment #29871: Great song. Nice post!

hodown writes at 10:37:29 01/03/08 - Comment #29842: OMG, this album has rocked my world. I love it so much I'll burn it for anyone interested and mail to you. Just shoot me an email!

james writes at 08:55:39 01/02/08 - Comment #29818: darn, the song, not the other book by the Confederacy of Dunces guy.

metalpeter writes at 06:55:52 01/02/08 - Comment #29812: Saying what a song is about is allways a danger. The reason is that often they are talking about some other thing that the listener doesn't know about so we are really trying to figure out what that is. Also so song writers leave it open for lots of interpertations. With any writing the perspective of the person reading it will change the meaning. For example there are songs about not killing your self and someone who is depressed and sad can sometimes think that the writer is saying to do it. The most famous version of that Is Suicide Solution. That being said I look at the song in a completely different way. I think the neon bible is Night Life. Mostlikely the lit up bars where people go to heal there pain but all they do is make them selves worse. Alcohol is a poison. As you are young you want to be cool, when you are old you want to remember what it is like to be cool and forget about your depressing life. There are people who go out and live there lives to drink. Sometimes that is going out to happy hour, for some people it is hitting on hoties and trying to cheat on the wife. Most people who live the bar life (more so when you could drink and smoke) live a short life. That being said I could see Marlyn Manson doing a cover of it.

jenks writes at 06:25:54 01/02/08 - Comment #29807: you know, I've never paid any attention to the lyrics, but I love that song. whole album, for that matter.