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10/07/07 06:27 - ID#41541
Confounded Curry
Since I am quite amused by all the confusion going around, I decided to do a concise (albeit biased) clarification about "Curry".
The East India Company (The British masquerading as traders) first docked on the southern shores of India and were immediately struck by:
1. The *awesome* South Indian cuisine.
2. The multiple layers of gold that women wore.
3. Everything else, including how gullible the natives were and how twisty the language was.
They decided to use their devious stratagem to buy enormous quantities of spices for cheap, and rob the gold and diamonds.
However, what they couldn't do was master the language. In particular, they had trouble wrapping their tongues around the word: Karuveppilai, the Tamil word for what is now (and quite inaccurately) known as the "Curry leaf". They also had trouble understanding the locals who called any side vegetable/meat accompaniment as "Kari". It didn't help matters any that every South Indian dish they ever had was either seasoned with Karuveppilai or had some powdered version of the Karuveppilai in it.
Using their tendency to clip short every vowel, and their total bewilderment with the language, they shortened the entire idea of a spiced dish to "Kari". Some Spaniards on the ship to England decided to spell it phonetically as "Curry". So voila, a new word was born.
When they proceeded further north into India, they came across another totally different type of cuisine - dominated not by the revered Karuveppilai, but Coriander ("Dhania" in Hindi, "Cilantro" in Spanish, "Kothamalli" in Tamil).
But by this time, the trade name "Curry" had curried favour up and down the length of the common(stolen)wealth. The seasoned business acumen that the British had acquired, stealing the wealth of natives around the world, warned them about the dangers of changing the name of a popular product in their home and overseas markets.
They decided that, since coriander was also a green leaf, and learning the names of the new spices involved trying to comprehend another wild language (Hindi), they wouldn't bother renaming the new North Indian spices (called "masala" by the natives). The easy solution was to just mix it all up in a bottle and rebrand the whole concoction as "Curry Powder". So essentially, the "Curry Powder" is about as Indian as Guano is a culinary delicacy.
And there you have it. The "History of Curried Confusion: Confounding the Western World, since 1600".
If you ever go to the heart of the subcontinent and ask for "Curry Powder", unless you are in a westernized supermarket, you are bound to get blank stares. Consider yourself warned.
If you want to get Karuveppilai here in the US, the best place to look would be an authentic Indian Store. South-east Asian stores seldom have it. The reason being that they don't cook with Karuveppilai, it is an acquired Indian taste.
Here in Buffalo, the places to go would be:
Super Bazaar
3218 Sheridan Dr
Amherst, NY 14226
(716) 835-4770
Spices of India
438 Evans St
Williamsville, NY 14221
Phone: (716) 633-4800
I really haven't seen it elsewhere. Just to give new meaning to the phrase "green with envy", here's a photograph of my stash. :)
The East India Company (The British masquerading as traders) first docked on the southern shores of India and were immediately struck by:
1. The *awesome* South Indian cuisine.
2. The multiple layers of gold that women wore.
3. Everything else, including how gullible the natives were and how twisty the language was.
They decided to use their devious stratagem to buy enormous quantities of spices for cheap, and rob the gold and diamonds.
However, what they couldn't do was master the language. In particular, they had trouble wrapping their tongues around the word: Karuveppilai, the Tamil word for what is now (and quite inaccurately) known as the "Curry leaf". They also had trouble understanding the locals who called any side vegetable/meat accompaniment as "Kari". It didn't help matters any that every South Indian dish they ever had was either seasoned with Karuveppilai or had some powdered version of the Karuveppilai in it.
Using their tendency to clip short every vowel, and their total bewilderment with the language, they shortened the entire idea of a spiced dish to "Kari". Some Spaniards on the ship to England decided to spell it phonetically as "Curry". So voila, a new word was born.
When they proceeded further north into India, they came across another totally different type of cuisine - dominated not by the revered Karuveppilai, but Coriander ("Dhania" in Hindi, "Cilantro" in Spanish, "Kothamalli" in Tamil).
But by this time, the trade name "Curry" had curried favour up and down the length of the common(stolen)wealth. The seasoned business acumen that the British had acquired, stealing the wealth of natives around the world, warned them about the dangers of changing the name of a popular product in their home and overseas markets.
They decided that, since coriander was also a green leaf, and learning the names of the new spices involved trying to comprehend another wild language (Hindi), they wouldn't bother renaming the new North Indian spices (called "masala" by the natives). The easy solution was to just mix it all up in a bottle and rebrand the whole concoction as "Curry Powder". So essentially, the "Curry Powder" is about as Indian as Guano is a culinary delicacy.
And there you have it. The "History of Curried Confusion: Confounding the Western World, since 1600".
If you ever go to the heart of the subcontinent and ask for "Curry Powder", unless you are in a westernized supermarket, you are bound to get blank stares. Consider yourself warned.
If you want to get Karuveppilai here in the US, the best place to look would be an authentic Indian Store. South-east Asian stores seldom have it. The reason being that they don't cook with Karuveppilai, it is an acquired Indian taste.
Here in Buffalo, the places to go would be:
Super Bazaar
3218 Sheridan Dr
Amherst, NY 14226
(716) 835-4770
Spices of India
438 Evans St
Williamsville, NY 14221
Phone: (716) 633-4800
I really haven't seen it elsewhere. Just to give new meaning to the phrase "green with envy", here's a photograph of my stash. :)
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@(e:Jenks): Well, the yellow colour is because of Turmeric, as you found from the wiki. But I don't think the distinct taste is from cumin or fenugreek. All north indian masalas are based on a generous portion of roasted Coriander seeds. Apart from the coriander, there is usually some combination of Cloves, Red Dried Chillies, Cardamom, Dried Raw Mango Powder (amchur), Cumin, Black Peppercorns, Bay Leaves, Cinnamon, Nutmeg and Fennel Seeds.
The West/Central Indian masalas, which vary considerably from the North Indian masalas, have Fenugreek in them.
I personally prefer a 5:2:2:2:2:2:2 combination of dry-roasted and powdered Coriander Seeds, Red Chillies, Cloves, Black Peppercorns, Cumin, Cardamom and Dried Mango Powder.
Maybe you could tell me which restaurant and which dish you are thinking about, particularly? If it is vegetarian, I could perhaps check it out and take a guess at its composition.
Yes, restaurants here serve mostly a greasy version of North Indian Cuisine. I know there is some South Indian restaurant called "Palace of Dosas" somewhere near north campus, but I have not been there. So I can't say how good or bad it is. Even if I did, I am not sure how good my judgement is, since I criticize everything under the sun (and not so much because I am a great cook - which I am SO not, but just an awful whiner. *insert evil laugh*)
@(e:Jim): LOL
@(e:jbeatty): Yep. "Curry Powder" in North India = "Garam Masala". BTW, the Hindi word, "Garam" means "Hot". So if you omit all the red chillies, it would be just "Masala".
Again, that's an interesting observation about Thai Curry - it is closer to South-East Indian cuisine (North Tamil Nadu, Andhra, Orissa).
@(e:James): Ooooooh! Look at their chocolate flavours!
Vanilla Milk Chocolate
Chai Milk Chocolate
Coconut Curry Milk Chocolate
Bread and Chocolate Dark Chocolate
Nib Brittle Dark Chocolate
Coffee Dark Chocolate
I am sold! Thanks for the link!
I would complain too, North Indian food get monotonous after a while. But then, I am as biased (if not more) as your friend probably was.
Ok, i'm beating a dead horse.
Will stop.
Malaysia is a very cosmopolitan place. The population is about 40% chinese and the dominant religion is Islam, so it just isn't ethnic natives. The reason it is so culturally diverse is that mad trading between south east, south, and south west asia was hopping well before those pesky Europeans stuck their noses into things. I don't know much about Malay history, but I am guessing that there is a large Indian population or that by trading with India they acquired the taste for the leaf.
As to the North/South India quinine question, I had a Tamil friend who always complained about how Northern the Indian food in restaurants was. I see the same stuff on the menus here as I did with her in Queens. So...
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The above link is to a company that makes a Coconut Curry Chocolate bar that is out of this world. They sell it at feel rite.
And just to be a dumb american...
When a (non-indian) restaurant serves some sort of "curry" dish, it tends to be yellow with a pretty distinct taste... what is that taste? i.e. what is the dominant spice in "curry powder"? Is it the 'curry leaf'? Or is it... cumin? Help me, tiny!
(e:JBeatty), It's interesting to learn that Malaysians use it too. So maybe it's just that we don't have a Malay local market here in Buffalo. If we did, imagine the treasures we would find! It's really quite unfair - *two* Vietnamese markets and not one other South-East Asian country represented!