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12-year old boy gets sex change

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Before I get into the subject matter - Barbaro is off to the glue factory. Apparently they euthanized him today.

Yep - a 12-year old in Germany got a sex change. The only thing preventing him/her from getting the phallus removed is that by law one must be 18 years of age to undergo the procedure.

There are a number of disturbing elements to this story, none of which involve the complicated psychological issues that this young fella has had growing up.

So then, e:josh, what is bothering you about this topic?

1. This is being paid for by taxpayers through their national health service because "the condition qualifies as an illness." If this is true, then why does the doctor who is treating the teenager state that the patient is not suffering from an illness? At best, the science at hand has no answer to this question because countries such as Germany are so consumed by political correctness that they are frozen from debate. Regardless, this is something that taxpayers should never have to foot the bill for.

2. To undergo such a thing, two independent psychiatrists have to "confirm that the child is indeed transsexual" before approving a sex change. By what method could anybody realistically prove such a thing? At some point science and medicine is getting thrown out the window in exchange for sociopolitical dogma.

3. Doctors simultaneously claim that treatment should be pursued as soon as possible in cases such as Tim/Kim (the patients names), yet they also admit that the long-term ramifications of such therapy on a 12-year old is not well understood. This qualifies as medicine in Europe?

4. 12-year olds lack the maturity and sophistication to make decisions on a multitude of things, the least of which are more sobering and final than a sex change. How on earth could doctors have allowed such a thing to occur, particularly with a pre-pubescent? This constitutes an egregious failure on the part of the doctors. What was the reasoning behind the doctors insistence on pursuing a sex change? That to let the patient reach puberty in his state would permanently damage his personality. Excuse me while I smoke enough dope to trick myself into believing such rubbish.

I'm generally a "live and let live" kind of guy - I'm not particularly interested in the sexual diversity of the world outside of the thought that people should be allowed to pursue whatever they like. 12-year olds getting sex changes, on the other hand, is an entirely different story.
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  1. uncutsaniflush ·

    Wow @joshua!!! It amazes me that upon the basis of reading an article online, you think that know better than the many people (family and health professionals) who actually know the child involved.

    You have every right, of course, to your opinion. And for all I know, you might even be right. But in general terms, I would not trust your medical diagnosis skills without a concurring diagnosis from someone who has actually examined the patient.

    Personally, I'm not a doctor, I haven't studied gender identity, and I haven't spoken to the child or his family or his doctors. I don't feel that I have enough information to make a judgment about this.

    As to the taxpayers of Germany, I don't think they need an American to protect them. If the German taxpayers think this is wrong, they can choose to do something about it.



  2. joshua ·

    I don't pretend to be a doctor, but none of my takes on the contradictions in their own statements are flawed logically.

    If you are inclined to believe that a 12-year old is physically, mentally and emotionally capable of making a decision about a sex change operation then surely a 12-year old should be able to make decisions about things like drinking alcohol, correct?

    Its called bad stewardship. Which is quite clearly the crux of my opinions outside of the taxpayer funded aspect of this story.

    You'll have to excuse me - I've gone over my own article a couple times now and I've yet to see where I've offered to protect German taxpayers. I'm CRITICIZING them. That is fairly clear.
  3. joshua ·

    Secondly - I almost forgot. Its important to understand that in most European countries, as the article highlights, sex changes are actually illegal for those under 16 years of age. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (or even a doctor) to understand that a sex change for a 12-year old is inappropriate, but since you wondered and I'm not really sure if you read the article anyway, I thought I would toss that tidbit of info in there.
  4. uncutsaniflush ·

    Not only did I read the article you linked to, I've also read this :::link:::

    Let's see where to do start:

    1. It is my understanding that performing gender re-assignment surgery under the age of 16 or 18 depending on the country is illegal. However, hormone therapy is legal. Otherwise, it would not be done and the German government would not be paying for.

    2. The "illegality" of the surgery is a non-issue because it has not been performed.

    3. Laws are capricious and arbitrary. Just because something is legal doesn't make it necessarily morally right. And, in the same vein, just because something is illegal doesn't make it morally wrong. Just look at the abortion and drug laws in this country - both sides insist theirs is the morally right side and that the other side is morally wrong.

    4. The problem with logic is that if one starts with false premises, one will end up with false conclusions. But the syllogism will be logically sound. I'm not saying your premises are necessarily false. I'm saying that I don't have enough data since I've not met the child or talked to the family or to the doctors to verify your assumptions.

    5. I think it is fairly clear that you were criticizing the German government with your statement "Regardless, this is something that taxpayers should never have to foot the bill for." To me that means that you were trying to protect the German taxpayers from footing the bill for things they shouldn't. But I'll accept that you don't want to protect the German taxpayer.

    6. I can't say that any specific 12 year old should or shouldn't have a sex change or even drink alcohol without knowing the person involved. I think some people are more mature at the age of 12 than others are at the age of 60. There isn't a switch in the brain that automatically makes a person mature at 18 or 21 or any other arbitrary age. In Germany the legal drinking is 16 or 18 depending on the beverage. In the U.S., the drinking age is 21. In Ontario, it is 19. And a few countries such as China don't have a minimum drinking age.

    Minimum ages for drinking and anything else are arbitrary standards that assume that everyone is exactly the same. Some people are no better equipped to drink alcohol at the age of 60 than they are at the age of 12. And I think the same holds true for gender-reassignment surgery.

    And, personally, I don't see a problem (in general terms) with a 12-year-old having a glass of wine with dinner with his parents.

    And contrarywise, I think it is just as bad for a 60-year-old and a 12-year-old to go out on a multi-day bender.

    7. And last but not least, I assume that the doctors and family involved are caring individuals who have the best interests of the child involved. I also assume that they know more about the specifics of this than the rest of the world. Thus, I assume that they are doing the right thing for the child.

    You obviously don't make the same assumptions that I do. For the child's sake, I hope you are wrong and I am right.
  5. metalpeter ·

    First of all I do belive that there is Genderdismorphia and i do belive that it is real. It sounds like this kid has all the social aspects of a girl playing with barbies and whearing dresses. There are two problems I have with this decision. The first is that If i understood this correctly the kid hasn't hit puberty yet. There arn't enough studies to know what will happen when hair starts growing and the kid starts choking the chicken. He may love his cock and want to have a cock and still be one of the girls. But if he gets female hormones this won't happen and he will only know the women side.

    The second thing that bothers me about genderdismorphia is that I don't think it is really a dieasee. We classify it a dieasse becuase whe as a society have soicietal norms for what makes a women and what makes a man. Yes I do understand that there is a chromsome differance and that can be checked for. So since a guy likes to wear a dress and play with dolls he is considered a girl. But why can't a guy play with dolls. In fact guys do play with dolls for example Spawn Dolls, Transformers, Gi Joe Dolls, G.I Joes (little ones), Wrestling Figures. All of those are just Masculine versions of those and we call them action figures but they are no differant. When a girl is born we give them girly stuff and boys sports and war stuff and trucks are the toys they are given. Our society decides what is a girl and what is a boy. Maybe we will stop indoctornating our kids and We can clean up the grade schools and high schools and get the indoctornation out of them as well.

    Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I do think that there are really stright women in guys bodies and vice versa and they should have the freedom to get an operation to fix that and that health insurance should cover it. Once you start saying that there are things that arn't cosmetic that it shouldn't cover you start to go somewhere you don't want to wind up at. But I also belive that this kid is to young physicaly. I can't say emotionaly because I don't know him. But from the article he hasn't hit puberty and he needs to go through all the changes first.

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