There have been some ideas floating around the past few days, but the one I've been particularly interested in is the use of this vast pool of funds to purchase preferred stock in the troubled firms, rather than purchasing the illiquid debt. Having the government buy the distressed debt is foolhardy, for a few reasons. Firstly, nobody really knows what the debt is worth. Secondly, despite what your politicians were telling you, the federal government has nowhere near the capability to administrate the management of such a large problem effectively, and considering the downside it would be absolutely crazy to do so. Thirdly, and perhaps you agree with me, it is insane to pool $700b into a fund and hand it over to the same people who created this mess to begin with. There has to be another way to increase liquidity in our markets and I think a few people have found the answer.
George Soros has present a plan to the Dems, which isn't actually new, but hopefully with his cajoling the politicians can be convinced to take a more rational path. Now, the article makes a point of highlighting potential problems because, well, Soros is Soros and a lot of people in America hate his intrusion into our politics. Nevertheless, nobody should question his financial acumen and when the guy speaks, people should listen. I can't imagine liberal Democrats agreeing to lowering the corporate tax rate and I can't imagine Republicans agreeing to forcing the Treasury to back mortgages that have been renegotiated, but we'll see.
I think buying the preferred stock is the way forward because it will inject capital immediately into the credit market without the need to buy the bad debt. Buying the bad debt is an unacceptable risk to the American people. The truth of the matter is that these firms could have already sold this bad debt, but why take 10 cents on the dollar when the government may offer you 30? With this method taxpayers will actually have assets - something tangible to hold onto, rather than debt that is impossible to value. With preferred stock comes enhanced voting rights as well. The government, on behalf of the American people, will ensure that the fox is not guarding the hen house and will limit executive compensation. If some banks don't want to play ball and fail, so be it. This is America - we have smaller banks lined up to take advantage of the big boys and their hubris, and would cut off an arm for the opportunity to do so. Generally speaking, smaller banks are more efficiently managed anyway.
I would advocate for lowering the corporate tax rate to encourage skittish foreign investors to stick around, or even bring aboard new investment. The reality of America is that if this gets any worse, more foreign investment will be pulled and we will suffer a long lasting depression, not a recession. We need to encourage businesses and let them know that we want them to stay here and make money. My first instinct when I read this was to wrinkle my nose at the thought of suggesting "corporate welfare" in the midst of this problem. However, we have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world. We could get away with it previously because doing business in America was a premium opportunity that businesses would fight each other for. That is no longer the case, at least for now. The days of getting away with having the second highest corporate tax rate in the world are over if we want to maintain a robust economy through this mess. Foreigners have absolutely no confidence in our ability to move forward, so they are refusing to participate. We have to fix that.
As for the little guy - I'm the last guy in the world to suggest a socialist tenet as a solution to a problem, but there is no acceptable free market solution to the mortgage mess from the Main St. perspective. Economists say that the free market will work out the mess, but they openly admit that some people may fall through the cracks. I'm unsure about how acceptable that is - some people should have never taken the loans out to begin with while others are legitimately getting screwed through no fault of their own. I'm also unsure about the ability of the Treasury to unravel the mortgage mess in the way Soros describes. Where would the money come from anyway? We have $700b we're going to "invest" with, and if Obama gets elected we will have $1 trillion in new spending, not to mention $53 trillion in unfunded liabilities with SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. that NOBODY wants to reckon with. How does a CBO estimate of 25% base federal tax rate at the turn of the century for the poorest Americans sound? How does a CBO estimate of 88% corporate tax rate sound? With that kind of scenario we may see the end of America as we know it in this very century and nobody wants to talk about it! Are we going to produce yet another $1 trillion to back mortgages, some of which should have never been written? If you make $40,000 per year, you obviously should not be in a $400,000 house, so I envision that the end game will involve people losing their homes regardless of the scenario.
No amount of financial deftness will make unaffordable housing affordable. That is, unless home prices in distressed areas drop 40% like some suggest they will do. In that case, the judges can rewrite the mortgages based on a more reasonable base asset value and mitigate any potential fallout. In any case, I don't believe Americans will bail out Wall St. without a solution for homeowners tacked onto the plan, and I'm fairly sure Democrats will insist on some sort of measure. In my view, it is necessary just like being forced to deal with all of this garbage is necessary. People that legitimately need help and are getting the shaft deserve the government's attention; more so than the baron robbers who are the first in line, begging for mercy. To what degree the government is going to intervene remains to be seen, but I'm in full support of an intervention in the housing market as long as it is done intelligently.
Financial scaremongering is the activity du jour on Capitol Hill. Let's not be naive - we have a serious problem that could potentially collapse our economic system, so we have to be big boys and girls about this and take one on the chin to save the house of cards from falling. However, we're smarter than this. We know better than to rush a bad plan through simply because President Bush, Secretary Paulson and congressional leadership are feeling pressure to fix the problem immediately. Are we even sure how immediate the problem is? Do we really have to push a bill through in 48 hours when maybe a week of serious, well thought out discussions would serve us better?
In this midst of this panic they are playing the blame game, and to be honest if I were King of America I'd fire every single one of them, eliminate the concept of seniority, make it illegal to serve more than two consecutive terms and ask the American people to start over with their government by voting in an entirely new Congress. Those politicians who encouraged reckless borrowing (aka forcing lenders under the threat of criminal action to provide affordable loans to low income people, based on 'stated income'), prevented regulation of Fanny and Freddie (Demos), prevented regulation of the financial markets (Repubs) should no longer have viable political careers. Our Congress has well-earned their 9-10% approval rating - we have the worst Congress to have ever been assembled.
Anyway, you know how I feel about politicians.
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10/01/2008 11:23 #45877
Alternate Bailout Proposals09/17/2008 12:39 #45707
Stress ReliefYou know what I find works best? Old fashioned manual labor. No matter how rich I become or where I go, there will always be a part of me that will revert back to my working class upbringing, which instinctively compels me to work with my hands. I like working with ideas to get paid, but I like working with my hands to keep my soul at ease.
tinypliny - 09/18/08 21:48
Cooking works as well. :D
Cooking works as well. :D
09/15/2008 11:48 #45686
Vegetarianism - A Track To A Small BrainWhile I was warming my hands with the fire on Wall St. this morning I ran across this story. Scientists have allegedly proved it! Eating a meat-free diet makes you up to six times more susceptible to brain shrinkage.
Regarding the blowup on Wall St. - I wanted to make a comment since (e:jim) said something in the chatter that made me consider it. The thing about investment banks is that they are generally not lending institutions, but borrowing institutions. They do not affect the everyday life of Americans in the same way as a lending institution. I don't think there is any doubt that more regulation on Wall St. is needed, and regardless of who is elected it is definitely coming. However, there is no divine right for investment banks to be in business. It was their own incredible stupidity for backing these so-called strategic investment vehicles (or whatever the term is, depending on the company) with bundled mortgages that were never going to be paid back. If they crash and burn, so be it.
I don't want today's confusion to necessarily worry people who are wondering what this all means. The most damage to everyday Americans has been caused by lending institutions, who gave out money freely to people who clearly couldn't afford what it was they were borrowing. Even worse, many of these companies encouraged this type of reckless borrowing. Investment banks like Lehman borrow money just like individuals do, except at much larger scales and for different reasons. Their mistake was in borrowing money to make investments backed by what is now essentially bundled junk debt. They couldn't borrow more money to keep the ship afloat, which is exactly why Lehman is walking the plank. This is also why Merrill Lynch sold up before it got too late.
Consumers can begin gulping if a big boy like Citigroup folds. Having the financial sector in turmoil is bad for the economy, and therefore is bad for America, but Lehman is not a Fanny or Freddie, whose decisions directly affect millions of lives. It is ironic that it is the lending institutions are getting bailed out, since they were the ones who really made the big mistakes that are costing people their houses. I would never advocate for an investment bank to be bailed out. Bear Stearns was bailed out, but according to some circles they are "too big" to be allowed to fail. It remains to be seen how many more banks fit into that category, but based on the government's mood I wouldn't count on any more bail outs for publicly traded, mismanaged companies in the future. Free markets are about survival of the fittest - I think I'm going to nominate Lehman Bros. for a Darwin Award, if at all possible.
Regarding the blowup on Wall St. - I wanted to make a comment since (e:jim) said something in the chatter that made me consider it. The thing about investment banks is that they are generally not lending institutions, but borrowing institutions. They do not affect the everyday life of Americans in the same way as a lending institution. I don't think there is any doubt that more regulation on Wall St. is needed, and regardless of who is elected it is definitely coming. However, there is no divine right for investment banks to be in business. It was their own incredible stupidity for backing these so-called strategic investment vehicles (or whatever the term is, depending on the company) with bundled mortgages that were never going to be paid back. If they crash and burn, so be it.
I don't want today's confusion to necessarily worry people who are wondering what this all means. The most damage to everyday Americans has been caused by lending institutions, who gave out money freely to people who clearly couldn't afford what it was they were borrowing. Even worse, many of these companies encouraged this type of reckless borrowing. Investment banks like Lehman borrow money just like individuals do, except at much larger scales and for different reasons. Their mistake was in borrowing money to make investments backed by what is now essentially bundled junk debt. They couldn't borrow more money to keep the ship afloat, which is exactly why Lehman is walking the plank. This is also why Merrill Lynch sold up before it got too late.
Consumers can begin gulping if a big boy like Citigroup folds. Having the financial sector in turmoil is bad for the economy, and therefore is bad for America, but Lehman is not a Fanny or Freddie, whose decisions directly affect millions of lives. It is ironic that it is the lending institutions are getting bailed out, since they were the ones who really made the big mistakes that are costing people their houses. I would never advocate for an investment bank to be bailed out. Bear Stearns was bailed out, but according to some circles they are "too big" to be allowed to fail. It remains to be seen how many more banks fit into that category, but based on the government's mood I wouldn't count on any more bail outs for publicly traded, mismanaged companies in the future. Free markets are about survival of the fittest - I think I'm going to nominate Lehman Bros. for a Darwin Award, if at all possible.
joshua - 09/15/08 12:29
Ha - well, you can be sure that it already is. According to the article the link was discovered by scientists at Oxford, who aren't known for being dummies. I know vegetarians who swear up and down that B12 deficiency is easily coped with, and with the right knowledge and access to the right food I'm sure it can be. However, I gotta say, in poor countries they pay less attention than those people committed to a dietary/social agenda in a wealthy nation like ours.
I'm not really sure what this means in the long run, nor do I care, since I eat meat!
Ha - well, you can be sure that it already is. According to the article the link was discovered by scientists at Oxford, who aren't known for being dummies. I know vegetarians who swear up and down that B12 deficiency is easily coped with, and with the right knowledge and access to the right food I'm sure it can be. However, I gotta say, in poor countries they pay less attention than those people committed to a dietary/social agenda in a wealthy nation like ours.
I'm not really sure what this means in the long run, nor do I care, since I eat meat!
james - 09/15/08 12:02
Oh boy! I can't wait to see this article being trolled about on forums.
Oh boy! I can't wait to see this article being trolled about on forums.
09/12/2008 18:15 #45658
My Friend In HoustonMy friend Brandon, who used to live downstairs, is in Houston and did not evacuate. I really, really wish that he did, but now that there is pretty much no running away he is bunkered down. He got supplies and stocked up, but according to him power should be out by midnight.
I'm really worried. I tried to call him but getting a line is pretty much impossible.
I'm really worried. I tried to call him but getting a line is pretty much impossible.
theecarey - 09/15/08 12:45
it's been a few days, any word from your friend?
it's been a few days, any word from your friend?
tinypliny - 09/14/08 13:59
Apparently, not many fatalities were reported. Hopefully, there wont be many and your friend will pull through safe.
Apparently, not many fatalities were reported. Hopefully, there wont be many and your friend will pull through safe.
janelle - 09/12/08 18:36
All those people staying behind have me really worried. They're definitely on my mind.
All those people staying behind have me really worried. They're definitely on my mind.
09/11/2008 16:11 #45642
Interesting Politico "Arena" EntryThe Politico, which is a site I read multiple times daily, has recently posted in its "Arena" page a group of statements from experts commenting on the strange focus on the trivial. What causes it and to what degree is the media responsible?
It is a worthwhile read and a lot of salient points are made. Personally, I'd suggest that the media certainly is complicit in focusing on silly stuff. If the topic isn't about politics then it is about "celebutards" such as Paris Hilton and such. News is sensationalized for the same reasons in the US as they are anywhere else - to make money. It isn't as if the mainstream guys are doing good business, particularly in print. I think the media is desperate to compete for attention and are generally willing to extend remarks on the most trivial of topics if it means gaining an edge.
It is a worthwhile read and a lot of salient points are made. Personally, I'd suggest that the media certainly is complicit in focusing on silly stuff. If the topic isn't about politics then it is about "celebutards" such as Paris Hilton and such. News is sensationalized for the same reasons in the US as they are anywhere else - to make money. It isn't as if the mainstream guys are doing good business, particularly in print. I think the media is desperate to compete for attention and are generally willing to extend remarks on the most trivial of topics if it means gaining an edge.
dcoffee - 09/11/08 22:02
I never watch TV, and I'm usually late when I try to catch the news, the past couple times I hit Inside Edition or Entertainment Tonight, or some other BS Hollywood show that talks about shoes and celebrity babies. They're covering the election. and it makes my head hurt. It's handled through the same lens of sensationalized trivia. It's so weird. I don't recommend watching it. It just makes me go "oh my god, is this how people get information?!" Sorry, I'm rambling.
I agree Josh, profit motivates the news media now more than ever. News outlets used to compete to be the first one to get the 'scoop', expose lies, fraud, and abuse of power. But now they've cut their staff so much that they can't do investigative journalism, they leave that to people who write books. And the networks are only concerned about ratings. I honestly do not see the point of TV news, on cable they just repeat the same bullet points over and over again. And the network news spends all this time trying to get you excited about what's "coming up", you hear about a story five times before they actually get to it, and then they finally give you 3 minutes of coverage. Just skimming the headlines on any website or newspaper gives you way more info than network TV. I like the interviews, but that's about it.
You should watch the movie Network if you haven't already, part of that story is true. The news departments used to be self sufficient and self governed. The parent companies didn't care if the news division made a lot of money because having the most credible news team made the whole network look good. The news divisions had a sort of fraternal pride, and fought to be the first to dig up the facts and expose them to the American people. The Networks have since lost their independence, the CEO's and accountants are more hands on now.
another side note, I think Fox News should just hire Rush Limbaugh and switch their format to opinion. I think MSNBC should do the same, except hire Randi Rhodes on the left. They'd get better ratings, and we'd all accept the bias as a given. We'd all be better off.
As you can tell, the media is on my mind lately. Lipstick on a pig.. what the hell are these people wasting my time for.
I never watch TV, and I'm usually late when I try to catch the news, the past couple times I hit Inside Edition or Entertainment Tonight, or some other BS Hollywood show that talks about shoes and celebrity babies. They're covering the election. and it makes my head hurt. It's handled through the same lens of sensationalized trivia. It's so weird. I don't recommend watching it. It just makes me go "oh my god, is this how people get information?!" Sorry, I'm rambling.
I agree Josh, profit motivates the news media now more than ever. News outlets used to compete to be the first one to get the 'scoop', expose lies, fraud, and abuse of power. But now they've cut their staff so much that they can't do investigative journalism, they leave that to people who write books. And the networks are only concerned about ratings. I honestly do not see the point of TV news, on cable they just repeat the same bullet points over and over again. And the network news spends all this time trying to get you excited about what's "coming up", you hear about a story five times before they actually get to it, and then they finally give you 3 minutes of coverage. Just skimming the headlines on any website or newspaper gives you way more info than network TV. I like the interviews, but that's about it.
You should watch the movie Network if you haven't already, part of that story is true. The news departments used to be self sufficient and self governed. The parent companies didn't care if the news division made a lot of money because having the most credible news team made the whole network look good. The news divisions had a sort of fraternal pride, and fought to be the first to dig up the facts and expose them to the American people. The Networks have since lost their independence, the CEO's and accountants are more hands on now.
another side note, I think Fox News should just hire Rush Limbaugh and switch their format to opinion. I think MSNBC should do the same, except hire Randi Rhodes on the left. They'd get better ratings, and we'd all accept the bias as a given. We'd all be better off.
As you can tell, the media is on my mind lately. Lipstick on a pig.. what the hell are these people wasting my time for.
tinypliny - 09/11/08 16:55
Somehow I really like the layout on that website and that the debate has a moderator (with a differently coloured comment box). Very spiffy and easy-on-the-eye design.
Somehow I really like the layout on that website and that the debate has a moderator (with a differently coloured comment box). Very spiffy and easy-on-the-eye design.
tinypliny - 09/11/08 16:54
Looks like the website mandatorily wants commentators to list their occupations. Interesting.
Looks like the website mandatorily wants commentators to list their occupations. Interesting.
I think I just am have to comment/post my thoughts.
Loved your post! Thanks. :) Can you clarify a bit more?
-- What are "preferred stocks"? Preferred by whom? How are these different from regular stocks of a company (eg. banks)?
-- Have corporate taxes increased in the past few years?
-- Will new foreign investment (as a result of lowering corporate taxes) relieve this mortgage-home-ownership situation? How? What kind of foreign investment are you talking about? Foreign companies buying American stock or setting up manufacturing businesses here?
-- Can the government tax financial lending institutions (that have made irresponsible decisions by lending to people who can't possibly pay back) instead of every corporation? -- Sort of like, if you lend with more risks, you pay more tax? Can this even be done?
-- If this 700bn goes instead towards plugging the gaping trillion dollar social security hole, what would be the repercussions?