I'm back in Hauppauge today, revisiting a pharmaceutical facility our company audited a few months ago. I flew to JFK, picked up a car and proceeded to get from JFK to Hauppauge in 45 minutes! I was even able to speed on the Belt Parkway - that was a far cry from my introduction to this road earlier in the year, which was quite rude indeed.
After work I plugged Trader Joe's into Ye Olde Garmin and went to Commack to get some food. Typically I don't mind eating alone, but I wasn't really feeling it today. Unless I'm in a place I'm really excited about, for me eating alone is a bit of a bummer. Instead I went grocery shopping. I love Trader Joe's - they are all about healthy and sometimes unusual food, at very fair prices. I'd love to have one in Buffalo - sorry Co-op.
My room has a little couch, a king-size bed and all the news channels I can stand! I wonder what Slick Willy will say tonight. Anyway, I got a bag full of stuff, including the bag, for $22.50. The bag is actually made from 100% consumer PET harvested from transparent chips, which originated from plastic bottles. The result? A $0.99 reusable white plastic bag that didn't need to be bleached for its appearance.
From back to front, side to side -
4oz. dried mangosteen (very rarely seen outside of Asia, at least according to the packaging) - $3.79
1 Qt. Mango + Antioxidant drink - $3.69
1 Qt. 1% milk $0.99
Instant Thai Mushroom Noodle Soup - $0.99
1 lb. 3-berry granola - $3.29
4oz. dried dragon fruit - $1.99
4.4oz. dried and sweetened hibiscus flowers - $1.99
8oz. "apocryphal pita" - 8 small pitas - $1.29
8oz. chipotle pepper hummus - $1.79
1 banana
1 apple
1 cool mint chocolate Clif Bar (I don't remember having tried this flavor)
Plus tax, etc.
I can't eat/drink all of this. I'm bringing back the dried stuff, and perhaps the granola.
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Lawn Guyland (Take 2)08/23/2008 14:06 #45423
Jamestown, NYI'm missing the Elmwood Arts Festival for the first time, which I sort of have mixed feelings about. I like the people and the buzz, but I really hate the parking. Basically, we have to plan in advance and do any sort of provision buying before they close off the street. Once we park the car, we don't move it - for ANYTHING. Maybe I'll be able to check some of it out tomorrow... we'll see.
We are avoiding that this year because it is our grandmother's 80th birthday. We are surprising her with a party at a local restaurant. She thinks she is going out for dinner with her sons and grandsons, but what she doesn't realize is that 30-40 people will be waiting at the restaurant before we arrive. (e:jason) and I did out due diligence and sent her a great looking bouquet and some chocolates from Fowler's. She was very surprised and choked up. Rumor is that she really, really doesn't want a party - apparently my uncle is a terrible listener and organized this dinner event anyway. It should be interesting to see how she reacts.
I've forgotten how hilly Jamestown is - in spots its as hilly as SF and Main St. is probably one of the steepest. They have been renovating some of the downtown buildings - the nicest one now houses the local Brian Higgins Congressional office. Jamestown is one place where mom and pop stores thrive. Last night I went to Johnny's Lunch and had some Texas fries, an orange shake and rice pudding. Johnny's is what Louie's wishes it could be - it is a local favorite and is phenomenal. Actually, Jamestown is home to a few Texas hots spots and all are owned by the same family. I love the shakes so damn much that after I'm done writing this I'm going to another place to get more.
Another beautiful thing - Jamestown (well, Lakewood) is home to Southern Tier Brewing Co. It's been a while since I did a beer review - maybe it's time to rejuvenate that tradition. If you haven't tried Southern Tier's Pumpking try it - 9% and you'd never know it. The beer tastes like buttery pumpkin pie! Anyway, the brewery is 10 minutes away and they have a little bar. It is very laid back and informal - you can take tours and buy their beers there for a very fair price.
Also, if you've never spent time around Chautauqua Lake in the summer it is very, very pretty. Many blue-haired rich folk like to spend their summers at the Chautauqua Institution, which I admit is very, very charming and a place (e:matt) would salivate over. The place is littered with Victorian homes in pristine condition and also house concerts/lectures all summer long. The Amphitheater was home to the Jamestown High School graduation ceremony for eons, until recent years. It is a place that makes you feel like you've stepped back in time.
We are avoiding that this year because it is our grandmother's 80th birthday. We are surprising her with a party at a local restaurant. She thinks she is going out for dinner with her sons and grandsons, but what she doesn't realize is that 30-40 people will be waiting at the restaurant before we arrive. (e:jason) and I did out due diligence and sent her a great looking bouquet and some chocolates from Fowler's. She was very surprised and choked up. Rumor is that she really, really doesn't want a party - apparently my uncle is a terrible listener and organized this dinner event anyway. It should be interesting to see how she reacts.
I've forgotten how hilly Jamestown is - in spots its as hilly as SF and Main St. is probably one of the steepest. They have been renovating some of the downtown buildings - the nicest one now houses the local Brian Higgins Congressional office. Jamestown is one place where mom and pop stores thrive. Last night I went to Johnny's Lunch and had some Texas fries, an orange shake and rice pudding. Johnny's is what Louie's wishes it could be - it is a local favorite and is phenomenal. Actually, Jamestown is home to a few Texas hots spots and all are owned by the same family. I love the shakes so damn much that after I'm done writing this I'm going to another place to get more.
Another beautiful thing - Jamestown (well, Lakewood) is home to Southern Tier Brewing Co. It's been a while since I did a beer review - maybe it's time to rejuvenate that tradition. If you haven't tried Southern Tier's Pumpking try it - 9% and you'd never know it. The beer tastes like buttery pumpkin pie! Anyway, the brewery is 10 minutes away and they have a little bar. It is very laid back and informal - you can take tours and buy their beers there for a very fair price.
Also, if you've never spent time around Chautauqua Lake in the summer it is very, very pretty. Many blue-haired rich folk like to spend their summers at the Chautauqua Institution, which I admit is very, very charming and a place (e:matt) would salivate over. The place is littered with Victorian homes in pristine condition and also house concerts/lectures all summer long. The Amphitheater was home to the Jamestown High School graduation ceremony for eons, until recent years. It is a place that makes you feel like you've stepped back in time.
museumchick - 08/27/08 13:52
I was a little homesick today, so it was really nice reading about Jimmytown on your journal. I've actually never been to Johnny's Lunch!
I hope your grandmother enjoyed the birthday celebration.
I was a little homesick today, so it was really nice reading about Jimmytown on your journal. I've actually never been to Johnny's Lunch!
I hope your grandmother enjoyed the birthday celebration.
trisha - 08/23/08 21:25
omg you are right... johnny's kicks the pants off louie's any day of the week. and i used to loooooovvvve louie's.
and southern tier is *awesome*---
we moved to fredonia about a year ago from buffalo and i must say i'm lovin chautauqua county a lil bit.....
omg you are right... johnny's kicks the pants off louie's any day of the week. and i used to loooooovvvve louie's.
and southern tier is *awesome*---
we moved to fredonia about a year ago from buffalo and i must say i'm lovin chautauqua county a lil bit.....
tinypliny - 08/23/08 20:32
Happy Birthday to your grandma. :)
BTW, I don't understand why rich folk would dye their hair blue. :?
Happy Birthday to your grandma. :)
BTW, I don't understand why rich folk would dye their hair blue. :?
08/20/2008 21:01 #45383
Highest Paid Rapper?So if you had to guess, who you would say was the highest paid rapper last year? Jay-Z, Sean Combs? No - it was 50 Cent, who earned $150,000,000 last year. You surely must be wondering, as I did, how the hell he earned that much money in 12 months.
The new king of hip-hop wealth banked $100 million after taxes on one deal alone when his stake in VitaminWater's parent, Glaceau, was bought by Coca-Cola as part of a $4.1 billion deal.
He's a true businessman!
The new king of hip-hop wealth banked $100 million after taxes on one deal alone when his stake in VitaminWater's parent, Glaceau, was bought by Coca-Cola as part of a $4.1 billion deal.
He's a true businessman!
08/22/2008 15:35 #45411
Wireless Networking(e:jason) trusted me to set up our wireless router and configure all of the security settings. I suspect that I'd definitely get a signal over at SPoT. Our previous setup was a networking nightmare that the likes of (e:paul) and (e:jim) would probably find a tech crime. First of all, the router was old and tempermental. We had to string a Cat-5 cable from (e:jason)'s bedroom to mine from outdoors. Then, we had to string coaxial cable from the living room to his bedroom, and then another Cat-5 from his bedroom to the living room.
Now we have a wireless setup whereby I can get 4-5 bars with my laptop from my room, which I wasn't sure about given the amount of potential for signal distortion. We've configured the 360 with (e:jason)'s computer to allow the use of the Windows Media Center to access media from his HDD. That is huge - now I can watch my downloaded shows while (e:jason) games.
Network security was our biggest concern but we're using WPA2. Now, the only problem - how to get my tower a signal. We found a $10 PCI wireless adapter on Newegg that got seemingly rave reviews. I bet the thing burns out in a year but works great - I'll let you know.
Now we have a wireless setup whereby I can get 4-5 bars with my laptop from my room, which I wasn't sure about given the amount of potential for signal distortion. We've configured the 360 with (e:jason)'s computer to allow the use of the Windows Media Center to access media from his HDD. That is huge - now I can watch my downloaded shows while (e:jason) games.
Network security was our biggest concern but we're using WPA2. Now, the only problem - how to get my tower a signal. We found a $10 PCI wireless adapter on Newegg that got seemingly rave reviews. I bet the thing burns out in a year but works great - I'll let you know.
08/21/2008 14:37 #45395
The Honeymoon Is OverSam Hoyt doesn't love his kids if he'd damage their mother, but nevertheless I expect he'll be re-elected. He has a number of things in his favor: A) he has name recognition in the most apathetic electorate in the nation; B) his party has never looked down upon character flaws such as this; C) despite this "unlucky" mishap he is still at the top of what is the lowest common denominator as far as politicians go.
It's a shame, it really is. I've never really had an opinion one way or another about Sam Hoyt, just impressions - he seems inoffensive, he's around, every so often I get mailings from him which illustrate how government in NY moves at a glacier's pace. He is one of the local political class and he owes his current position to his father, who he succeeded as Assemblyman. He is former Chairman (you're going to love this) of the Assembly Oversight, Analysis and Investigations Committee. He currently chairs the Assembly Local Governments Committee, which I expect is a chair he won't hold for much longer.
This is a major disappointment. Now he is blaming his opponents! I have to be honest, I had no idea that he even had an opponent. The guy has been in office 16 years and it is fair to say that he is part of the political class in Buffalo that has been long on talk and short on delivering. Based on that alone he shouldn't be in office, but we all know he'll retain his seat in the Assembly. We've never punished bad politicians and never will. Nor will a Democrat ever get hung out to dry by colleagues or the media for cheating on his wife - even when she is dying of cancer, eh Johnny boy?
God help our city, although I don't pray for Buffalo anymore.
It's a shame, it really is. I've never really had an opinion one way or another about Sam Hoyt, just impressions - he seems inoffensive, he's around, every so often I get mailings from him which illustrate how government in NY moves at a glacier's pace. He is one of the local political class and he owes his current position to his father, who he succeeded as Assemblyman. He is former Chairman (you're going to love this) of the Assembly Oversight, Analysis and Investigations Committee. He currently chairs the Assembly Local Governments Committee, which I expect is a chair he won't hold for much longer.
This is a major disappointment. Now he is blaming his opponents! I have to be honest, I had no idea that he even had an opponent. The guy has been in office 16 years and it is fair to say that he is part of the political class in Buffalo that has been long on talk and short on delivering. Based on that alone he shouldn't be in office, but we all know he'll retain his seat in the Assembly. We've never punished bad politicians and never will. Nor will a Democrat ever get hung out to dry by colleagues or the media for cheating on his wife - even when she is dying of cancer, eh Johnny boy?
God help our city, although I don't pray for Buffalo anymore.
metalpeter - 08/22/08 18:50
This post and all the comments point out why this country is so fucked, it is because we care if Hoyt or someone else sleeps around. I don't give a fuck if after work he does a line of blow with a hooker and she blows him and fingers him and he cries like a little girl when he comes. As long as it doesn't effect his Job who really gives a shit. The fact that everyone cares more about his personal life then if he does a good job, is an example of why our system is so screwed up. Most people say the Tabloids are bad but they read them anyways.
In terms of what I have read and heard this happened years ago and it is old news. Since Hoyt didn't run for mayor the Blogger didn't do the entire supper public thing but now he has gone public, not sure his reasons but I Have seen Hoyt stuff everywhere.
Someone Cheating on their wife or lover Isn't right but it happens all the time. Not counting the women who through them selves at men the reason people cheat is simple: there is something lacking in there relationship and the cheating is a way of dealing with that. I'm not going so far as to blame the wife and say she won't fuck him the way the guy wants to fuck. But there is some connection that isn't there, because if everything was perfect there would be no reason to cheat. The other thing that people have to remember is that (most of the time) the person who is cheating thinks they won't get caught. That is true of lots of criminals also. So they are not thinking that what they are doing will hurt there wives or the family.
This post and all the comments point out why this country is so fucked, it is because we care if Hoyt or someone else sleeps around. I don't give a fuck if after work he does a line of blow with a hooker and she blows him and fingers him and he cries like a little girl when he comes. As long as it doesn't effect his Job who really gives a shit. The fact that everyone cares more about his personal life then if he does a good job, is an example of why our system is so screwed up. Most people say the Tabloids are bad but they read them anyways.
In terms of what I have read and heard this happened years ago and it is old news. Since Hoyt didn't run for mayor the Blogger didn't do the entire supper public thing but now he has gone public, not sure his reasons but I Have seen Hoyt stuff everywhere.
Someone Cheating on their wife or lover Isn't right but it happens all the time. Not counting the women who through them selves at men the reason people cheat is simple: there is something lacking in there relationship and the cheating is a way of dealing with that. I'm not going so far as to blame the wife and say she won't fuck him the way the guy wants to fuck. But there is some connection that isn't there, because if everything was perfect there would be no reason to cheat. The other thing that people have to remember is that (most of the time) the person who is cheating thinks they won't get caught. That is true of lots of criminals also. So they are not thinking that what they are doing will hurt there wives or the family.
hodown - 08/22/08 15:53
So I did go through and read all the comments but I will say this:
He's a creep. I know for a fact he continues to cheat. He just got caught this time. The wives stick by them because what else are they going to do? ONce you get into that life you have little choices left (by this i mean they don't want to go through a public divorce and they see denying it as the best option).
So I did go through and read all the comments but I will say this:
He's a creep. I know for a fact he continues to cheat. He just got caught this time. The wives stick by them because what else are they going to do? ONce you get into that life you have little choices left (by this i mean they don't want to go through a public divorce and they see denying it as the best option).
james - 08/22/08 13:42
Joshua,
You live large. Controversy is all apart of that. If people don't disagree with you on the internet then you are only posting LOLcats. So, rock on with your bad self.
Joshua,
You live large. Controversy is all apart of that. If people don't disagree with you on the internet then you are only posting LOLcats. So, rock on with your bad self.
carolinian - 08/22/08 13:09
:::link:::
Neither party has a monopoly on infidelity. John Mccain has actually come through his campaign unscathed by his straying past (which he fully admits to). Perhaps Americans are more concerned with their politicians policies and leadership abilities than personal lives.
:::link:::
Neither party has a monopoly on infidelity. John Mccain has actually come through his campaign unscathed by his straying past (which he fully admits to). Perhaps Americans are more concerned with their politicians policies and leadership abilities than personal lives.
joshua - 08/22/08 13:05
You know what James, talking with you has made me feel like I should cut Sam Hoyt at least a sliver of slack. I don't think he's an evil guy. You are right in that it was an asshole thing to write, but I've written it and I'm going to live with it. I don't edit things out of my journals, and if you really want to read some anti-Josh vitriol it is there for posterity, mostly authored by (e:ajay) (who I've come to terms with) and (e:PM) of PMT - in particular Paul was offended by my suggestion that nuking Japan saved hundreds of thousands of lives and ended WWII, which was factual - the mor(T)ality of doing so is another issue entirely. I think Matt was offended by my view that abortion is barbaric and should have restrictions.
You know what James, talking with you has made me feel like I should cut Sam Hoyt at least a sliver of slack. I don't think he's an evil guy. You are right in that it was an asshole thing to write, but I've written it and I'm going to live with it. I don't edit things out of my journals, and if you really want to read some anti-Josh vitriol it is there for posterity, mostly authored by (e:ajay) (who I've come to terms with) and (e:PM) of PMT - in particular Paul was offended by my suggestion that nuking Japan saved hundreds of thousands of lives and ended WWII, which was factual - the mor(T)ality of doing so is another issue entirely. I think Matt was offended by my view that abortion is barbaric and should have restrictions.
joshua - 08/22/08 12:56
Well, to be accurate, what I wrote was this - "Sam Hoyt doesn't love his kids IF HE'D DAMAGE THEIR MOTHER." Let's at least get it right, shall we? I feel horribly for his wife and I give her credit for finding it within her for sticking with him.
I never expected a single politician to be Superman - I've made it clear over the history of my journal that this is impossible, particularly in NYS. The closest thing to Superman NYS has right now is David Paterson. It is not unreasonable to expect more from our local politicians, James. You make it sound like he's moved mountains, but anybody that looks around our area can see that isn't the case. No one person can fix our problems - the system has to be flushed of long-term incumbents. By the way, it isn't an issue of party either. I wonder how much larger the deficit would be had Republicans in the Senate *not blocked* some of the bills.
It is interesting you bring up IDA reform - Sam Hoyt was on the radio this week poopooing Clarence for using the bill to build a new supermarket. He was mad because this wasn't the intention of the bill. Nationally something similar occurred with election finance reform. Remember McCain/Feingold? These two (in particular, McCain) were blamed mercilessly for the creation of 527 organizations. Should something similar happen to Sam Hoyt if he's taking credit for IDA reform?
The same-sex marriage bill died in 2007, which is a shame. We all know whose fault it is - it is that stuff that made me leave the party. I'm not a social conservative.
Well, to be accurate, what I wrote was this - "Sam Hoyt doesn't love his kids IF HE'D DAMAGE THEIR MOTHER." Let's at least get it right, shall we? I feel horribly for his wife and I give her credit for finding it within her for sticking with him.
I never expected a single politician to be Superman - I've made it clear over the history of my journal that this is impossible, particularly in NYS. The closest thing to Superman NYS has right now is David Paterson. It is not unreasonable to expect more from our local politicians, James. You make it sound like he's moved mountains, but anybody that looks around our area can see that isn't the case. No one person can fix our problems - the system has to be flushed of long-term incumbents. By the way, it isn't an issue of party either. I wonder how much larger the deficit would be had Republicans in the Senate *not blocked* some of the bills.
It is interesting you bring up IDA reform - Sam Hoyt was on the radio this week poopooing Clarence for using the bill to build a new supermarket. He was mad because this wasn't the intention of the bill. Nationally something similar occurred with election finance reform. Remember McCain/Feingold? These two (in particular, McCain) were blamed mercilessly for the creation of 527 organizations. Should something similar happen to Sam Hoyt if he's taking credit for IDA reform?
The same-sex marriage bill died in 2007, which is a shame. We all know whose fault it is - it is that stuff that made me leave the party. I'm not a social conservative.
james - 08/22/08 12:50
ha! You are right Joshua. Let us all be messengers for mortality.
My favorite thing about local politics is that all local political blogs read like Mike Drudge with a quarter of the class.
ha! You are right Joshua. Let us all be messengers for mortality.
My favorite thing about local politics is that all local political blogs read like Mike Drudge with a quarter of the class.
james - 08/22/08 12:32
You did not suggest it. You wrote out clearly that he does not love his children. You are an asshole for it.
And if you expect a single politician to improve all of WNY and bring us out of the shitter, you certainly do not have a realistic view of how politics work. Occasionally doing his job? This year we got record aid, school reconstruction, land banking, same-sex marriage, GENDA, and IDA reform. Sorry he didn't bring the steel plants back and turn Buffalo into a boom town with a Republican majority in the Senate blocking everything.
You did not suggest it. You wrote out clearly that he does not love his children. You are an asshole for it.
And if you expect a single politician to improve all of WNY and bring us out of the shitter, you certainly do not have a realistic view of how politics work. Occasionally doing his job? This year we got record aid, school reconstruction, land banking, same-sex marriage, GENDA, and IDA reform. Sorry he didn't bring the steel plants back and turn Buffalo into a boom town with a Republican majority in the Senate blocking everything.
joshua - 08/22/08 12:32
Now that I take a closer look at the link you posted (e:james) -
"Arrested for robbing the M&T bank on Elmwood and Auburn Ave."
There no M&T Bank there - it is located between Breck enridge and W. Ferry.
"Please stick to attacking politicians on policy and not their personal lives, please stop posting fraudulent information, and most of all stop with all that biblical scripture you clearly are the wrong massager for mortality."
I'm going to be a messenger for mortality!
Now that I take a closer look at the link you posted (e:james) -
"Arrested for robbing the M&T bank on Elmwood and Auburn Ave."
There no M&T Bank there - it is located between Breck enridge and W. Ferry.
"Please stick to attacking politicians on policy and not their personal lives, please stop posting fraudulent information, and most of all stop with all that biblical scripture you clearly are the wrong massager for mortality."
I'm going to be a messenger for mortality!
james - 08/22/08 12:26
on the paramour's age :::link:::
And you might be right on the time line of the affair, I was thinking of the emails on the time line. My bad.
But, the affair has been out. Everyone knows about it. Everyone knew that is why he dropped out of the mayoral race in 2005. The reason it is news now is because his opponents waited to bring this before the Assembly ethics committee, whose rules stipulate that any complaint brought before them must be investigated. So, even though no laws or ethics rules were violated, they must investigate it. The timing is purely political. And, since the affair has been public knowledge (though it hasn't been littering the pages of newspapers as fine as the Post) he can't be blackmailed by it.
on the paramour's age :::link:::
And you might be right on the time line of the affair, I was thinking of the emails on the time line. My bad.
But, the affair has been out. Everyone knows about it. Everyone knew that is why he dropped out of the mayoral race in 2005. The reason it is news now is because his opponents waited to bring this before the Assembly ethics committee, whose rules stipulate that any complaint brought before them must be investigated. So, even though no laws or ethics rules were violated, they must investigate it. The timing is purely political. And, since the affair has been public knowledge (though it hasn't been littering the pages of newspapers as fine as the Post) he can't be blackmailed by it.
joshua - 08/22/08 12:23
(e:ajay) stunned me! He is Mr. Potpourri because whenever he comments in my journal I never know what to expect.
(e:james) - I'm not editing my journal because you find something offensive. Someone who would commit adultery hasn't really put a whole hell of a lot of thought into how that might affect their kids, not just in the present moment but in the future. Was it an asshole thing to say? Yeah. But you and anyone that has ever met me knows I'm not an asshole - I'm a provocateur. It was an obvious cheap shot, and it certainly wasn't the worst thing I've read on (e:strip) regarding politicians. I suggested that he must not love his kids if he'd treat their mother that way - that is a far cry from claiming that the POTUS is a war criminal. Some perspective should really be considered here. You can see that it was effective and it triggered a vigorous discussion. I'll throw him a bone though - I don't think Sam Hoyt is an evil man, it is his judgment that is disturbing.
I know that it is Sunny Sam Hoyt Day every day between Delevan and Lafayette, but in (e:joshua) land the guy is a philanderer and has been extremely ineffective. You may think bringing a dog park into the city and bringing pork back to the city is an accomplishment, but the former is fluff (arguably a waste, although I'm sure dog owners feel differently) and the latter is simply DOING HIS JOB at a minimal level. Have we stooped to the point where we are amazed at politicians who occasionally do what they are supposed to? By the way - much of that state aid is about to go bye-bye because guys like Sam Hoyt have talked a lot about fiscal responsibility in Albany but ultimately do nothing. Our state is screwed in part because of long-term incumbents. I'm an advocate of term limits across all levels of government.
You are talking to a media junkie and an obsessive/compulsive political observer. I'm sorry, but I expect a hell of a lot more from a guy who has been in office for 16 years. Sam Hoyt is not the reason why Buffalo isn't in the shitter. Haven't you looked around? Buffalo IS in the shitter.
Honest question - why should I give Sam Hoyt a chance? I vote Democrat locally. What separates him from any other local candidate besides incumbency?
BTW, that link you posted - wow. Welcome to local politics. I would NEVER run for office locally because of how dirty it is, so from that respect I give Sam Hoyt credit.
(e:janelle) - a lot of Democrats can't see the importance of personal character in their politicians. I don't expect it will change anytime soon.
(e:ajay) stunned me! He is Mr. Potpourri because whenever he comments in my journal I never know what to expect.
(e:james) - I'm not editing my journal because you find something offensive. Someone who would commit adultery hasn't really put a whole hell of a lot of thought into how that might affect their kids, not just in the present moment but in the future. Was it an asshole thing to say? Yeah. But you and anyone that has ever met me knows I'm not an asshole - I'm a provocateur. It was an obvious cheap shot, and it certainly wasn't the worst thing I've read on (e:strip) regarding politicians. I suggested that he must not love his kids if he'd treat their mother that way - that is a far cry from claiming that the POTUS is a war criminal. Some perspective should really be considered here. You can see that it was effective and it triggered a vigorous discussion. I'll throw him a bone though - I don't think Sam Hoyt is an evil man, it is his judgment that is disturbing.
I know that it is Sunny Sam Hoyt Day every day between Delevan and Lafayette, but in (e:joshua) land the guy is a philanderer and has been extremely ineffective. You may think bringing a dog park into the city and bringing pork back to the city is an accomplishment, but the former is fluff (arguably a waste, although I'm sure dog owners feel differently) and the latter is simply DOING HIS JOB at a minimal level. Have we stooped to the point where we are amazed at politicians who occasionally do what they are supposed to? By the way - much of that state aid is about to go bye-bye because guys like Sam Hoyt have talked a lot about fiscal responsibility in Albany but ultimately do nothing. Our state is screwed in part because of long-term incumbents. I'm an advocate of term limits across all levels of government.
You are talking to a media junkie and an obsessive/compulsive political observer. I'm sorry, but I expect a hell of a lot more from a guy who has been in office for 16 years. Sam Hoyt is not the reason why Buffalo isn't in the shitter. Haven't you looked around? Buffalo IS in the shitter.
Honest question - why should I give Sam Hoyt a chance? I vote Democrat locally. What separates him from any other local candidate besides incumbency?
BTW, that link you posted - wow. Welcome to local politics. I would NEVER run for office locally because of how dirty it is, so from that respect I give Sam Hoyt credit.
(e:janelle) - a lot of Democrats can't see the importance of personal character in their politicians. I don't expect it will change anytime soon.
janelle - 08/22/08 12:14
I'll be interested in your post on why Drew's comment was disappointing.
Given the information available, it's not yet clear to me how the relationship evolved and how culpalble the different parties are in this serious moral transgression.
I hope you carefully steer away from any argument that infantilizes women and their ability to engage in moral reasoning, else then I'll be disappointed ;)
I'll be interested in your post on why Drew's comment was disappointing.
Given the information available, it's not yet clear to me how the relationship evolved and how culpalble the different parties are in this serious moral transgression.
I hope you carefully steer away from any argument that infantilizes women and their ability to engage in moral reasoning, else then I'll be disappointed ;)
janelle - 08/22/08 12:07
the prosecution of domestic abuse varies from state to state. Some states prosecute without the cooperation of the abused spouse.
It's still illegal. So I stand by my statement that I'm more concerned with my politician engaging in illegal behavior.
the prosecution of domestic abuse varies from state to state. Some states prosecute without the cooperation of the abused spouse.
It's still illegal. So I stand by my statement that I'm more concerned with my politician engaging in illegal behavior.
ajay - 08/22/08 11:35
(e:janelle) , wife abuse is prosecuted only when the wife agrees to press charges, or there are witnesses. Otherwise, what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom.
(e:james) , here are the facts I've read:
1. One of the women involved was 24 at the time (and _not_ in her 30s as you claim). Her name is Lori Gradwell.
2. From the news report:
Lori Gradwell began her fling with Assemblyman Sam Hoyt (D-Buffalo) in May 2003, when she was wrapping up a six-month internship . . . . The affair, however, lasted until at least January 2005.
That's more than "a few months" if you ask me.
Look, this Illuzzi guy may be the devil incarnate; that doesn't change the message.
Hoyt was (and is) a big public figure, for crying out loud!! How _could_ he have expected that his affairs would not come out ??
If you read old-skool spy novels, you'll know that blackmailing via sex is one of the favorite techniques used in the shady world of espionage and crime. What if Hoyt got blackmailed by some shady business guys to push legislation for them in return for keeping this affair quiet?
(e:drew), I am disappointed in your statement that "the women should have known better". I'll address that in a blog post shortly.
(e:janelle) , wife abuse is prosecuted only when the wife agrees to press charges, or there are witnesses. Otherwise, what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom.
(e:james) , here are the facts I've read:
1. One of the women involved was 24 at the time (and _not_ in her 30s as you claim). Her name is Lori Gradwell.
2. From the news report:
Lori Gradwell began her fling with Assemblyman Sam Hoyt (D-Buffalo) in May 2003, when she was wrapping up a six-month internship . . . . The affair, however, lasted until at least January 2005.
That's more than "a few months" if you ask me.
Look, this Illuzzi guy may be the devil incarnate; that doesn't change the message.
Hoyt was (and is) a big public figure, for crying out loud!! How _could_ he have expected that his affairs would not come out ??
If you read old-skool spy novels, you'll know that blackmailing via sex is one of the favorite techniques used in the shady world of espionage and crime. What if Hoyt got blackmailed by some shady business guys to push legislation for them in return for keeping this affair quiet?
(e:drew), I am disappointed in your statement that "the women should have known better". I'll address that in a blog post shortly.
janelle - 08/22/08 10:27
(e:Ajay): The difference I see between Sam Hoyt cheating on his wife and beating his wife is that beating one's spouse is illegal and actively prosecuted as such(I hope). I don't want my politicians to engage in illegal behavior.
A lot of states (and individuals for that matter) no longer have statutes against infidelity and in most states that do have statutes against it, it's never prosecuted but in the rarest of cases.
I still don't think anyone has laid down a concise argument on why being unfaithful as a spouse makes one a bad politician.
(e:Ajay): The difference I see between Sam Hoyt cheating on his wife and beating his wife is that beating one's spouse is illegal and actively prosecuted as such(I hope). I don't want my politicians to engage in illegal behavior.
A lot of states (and individuals for that matter) no longer have statutes against infidelity and in most states that do have statutes against it, it's never prosecuted but in the rarest of cases.
I still don't think anyone has laid down a concise argument on why being unfaithful as a spouse makes one a bad politician.
james - 08/22/08 09:46
No, that website is run by a scam artist.
First, there was just the one person.
Second, it only lasted for a few months. The affair ended years ago, which is why Hoyt didn't run for mayor way back when.
Third, she was not underage, she was in her 30's.
Fourth, he did not get her pregnant and pay for the abortion. He had a vasectomy a decade before that.
Those emails are forged. They are dated after the affair.
And who is this man publishing this crap? :::link:::
The man fucked up, there is no question of that. He thought with his dick and is a dick for it. But to jump from that line of thought to 'he doesn't love his children' requires too many assumptions.
No, that website is run by a scam artist.
First, there was just the one person.
Second, it only lasted for a few months. The affair ended years ago, which is why Hoyt didn't run for mayor way back when.
Third, she was not underage, she was in her 30's.
Fourth, he did not get her pregnant and pay for the abortion. He had a vasectomy a decade before that.
Those emails are forged. They are dated after the affair.
And who is this man publishing this crap? :::link:::
The man fucked up, there is no question of that. He thought with his dick and is a dick for it. But to jump from that line of thought to 'he doesn't love his children' requires too many assumptions.
drew - 08/22/08 09:45
First of all, this is men AND women. Sam had greater responsibility, but I am pretty sure those women knew he was married and knew better. They shouldn't be surprised that he cheated on them. After all, they knew, based on the fact of their relationships, that he was willing to cheat.
I think, ajay, that reconciliation says more about a person's character than infidelity, or even abuse. The last two, sadly, come easy, and many have fallen into them. But humbling yourself before a person you have wronged is much harder.
If a person has wronged the public, than the public should be involved in the reconciliation. In the case of a cheater, this has not happened. With an abuser, it has happened because a law has been broken.
Hoyt has shown himself willing to lie and cheat. Does this disqualify him as a politician? In a perfect world, yes. But show me a politician that doesn't lie. As much as I like Obama, he knows he is lying about "energy independence" every time he says it.
Is every politician willing to admit when they have screwed up and work to make it right? Sadly, the answer is no. Even when they change positions, they rarely admit that the old one was mistaken.
First of all, this is men AND women. Sam had greater responsibility, but I am pretty sure those women knew he was married and knew better. They shouldn't be surprised that he cheated on them. After all, they knew, based on the fact of their relationships, that he was willing to cheat.
I think, ajay, that reconciliation says more about a person's character than infidelity, or even abuse. The last two, sadly, come easy, and many have fallen into them. But humbling yourself before a person you have wronged is much harder.
If a person has wronged the public, than the public should be involved in the reconciliation. In the case of a cheater, this has not happened. With an abuser, it has happened because a law has been broken.
Hoyt has shown himself willing to lie and cheat. Does this disqualify him as a politician? In a perfect world, yes. But show me a politician that doesn't lie. As much as I like Obama, he knows he is lying about "energy independence" every time he says it.
Is every politician willing to admit when they have screwed up and work to make it right? Sadly, the answer is no. Even when they change positions, they rarely admit that the old one was mistaken.
ajay - 08/22/08 01:01
I can see where (e:joshua) is coming from.
When a man commits infidelity (face it, it's usually men who do things like this), he's just thinking of himself; he's not thinking of his kids or his wife. He's thinking of his dick. He is being a dick.
I can understand a 1-off mistake. "I was drunk, it was late, and things happened...".
But 2 affairs going on for years? Has anyone read the letters they exchanged :::link::: ? He was cheating on the mistresses too!
Yes, he may have brought home the bacon. But one can make a case that he doesn't love his wife and kids as much as a father should.
Let me ask this hypothetical question: suppose it came out that he physically abused his wife over a period of years; but he and his wife had reconciled now. Would y'all still be defending him? When do private matters not remain private anymore and reflect on the moral character of a person? Where do you draw the line? I'm not sure. . . . .
I can see where (e:joshua) is coming from.
When a man commits infidelity (face it, it's usually men who do things like this), he's just thinking of himself; he's not thinking of his kids or his wife. He's thinking of his dick. He is being a dick.
I can understand a 1-off mistake. "I was drunk, it was late, and things happened...".
But 2 affairs going on for years? Has anyone read the letters they exchanged :::link::: ? He was cheating on the mistresses too!
Yes, he may have brought home the bacon. But one can make a case that he doesn't love his wife and kids as much as a father should.
Let me ask this hypothetical question: suppose it came out that he physically abused his wife over a period of years; but he and his wife had reconciled now. Would y'all still be defending him? When do private matters not remain private anymore and reflect on the moral character of a person? Where do you draw the line? I'm not sure. . . . .
james - 08/21/08 22:41
Dude, he had an affair years ago. His wife gave him the boot. They reconciled, are back together, and their family is stronger than ever. THe majority of marriages in this country end in divorce but the two of them worked through their problems and beat the odds. I see the man interact with his children and saying he doesn't love them is not based on any sense of reality. You should edit that out of your post. It makes you look like an ass hole, and I don't want to think of you that way.
And what makes you think he is an ineffective politician? Are you familiar with his record at all? The reason Buffalo's finances aren't in the red is because the man brings record levels of state aid to the city. He just got 300 Million for phase four of school reconstruction even after the Governor threatened to veto due to the financial crisis. The man brings home the bacon, which says nothing of his record on social legislation. He sponsored and got passed same sex marriage this year. We now have a dog park thanks to him. He turned Squaw Island from a sewage treatment plant to one of the largest open spaces in the city.
I will just assume your opinion of his legislation is based on the same ignorance your opinion of his family is based on.
Dude, he had an affair years ago. His wife gave him the boot. They reconciled, are back together, and their family is stronger than ever. THe majority of marriages in this country end in divorce but the two of them worked through their problems and beat the odds. I see the man interact with his children and saying he doesn't love them is not based on any sense of reality. You should edit that out of your post. It makes you look like an ass hole, and I don't want to think of you that way.
And what makes you think he is an ineffective politician? Are you familiar with his record at all? The reason Buffalo's finances aren't in the red is because the man brings record levels of state aid to the city. He just got 300 Million for phase four of school reconstruction even after the Governor threatened to veto due to the financial crisis. The man brings home the bacon, which says nothing of his record on social legislation. He sponsored and got passed same sex marriage this year. We now have a dog park thanks to him. He turned Squaw Island from a sewage treatment plant to one of the largest open spaces in the city.
I will just assume your opinion of his legislation is based on the same ignorance your opinion of his family is based on.
janelle - 08/21/08 17:49
It seems that the underlying assumption in your post is that infidelity makes a politician unfit to be a politician, but you don't flesh out why. Or is it infidelity with interns? I'm not sure.
Anyway, as socially conservative as I can be, and as abhorrent as I find infidelity, I don't necessarily find a politician who engages in it to be a bad politician (although he was a bad spouse).
I have to go, so I'll leave my comments at that, but I'll look forward to your explanation as to why Sam Hoyt is now a bad politician.
It seems that the underlying assumption in your post is that infidelity makes a politician unfit to be a politician, but you don't flesh out why. Or is it infidelity with interns? I'm not sure.
Anyway, as socially conservative as I can be, and as abhorrent as I find infidelity, I don't necessarily find a politician who engages in it to be a bad politician (although he was a bad spouse).
I have to go, so I'll leave my comments at that, but I'll look forward to your explanation as to why Sam Hoyt is now a bad politician.
joshua - 08/21/08 16:45
Jim, it was utterly buried in the mainstream, and at the time it broke the LA Times actively told its bloggers NOT to mention it. You can thank the National Enquirer, of all places, for the most dogged reporting on the subject. Nobody else covered it, and Bill Keller at the NYT was one of MANY who have made excuses. In fact, and maybe you didn't realize this, but the link you provided directly linked to an article from the Huff. Post (of all places) that corroborated exactly what I'm saying. Dig a bit deeper and you'll find many articles discussing the blacking out of the Edwards scandal.
Saying now that he's killed his career was obvious - who could credibly deny it? At this point they HAVE to. I'm not giving credit to people for acknowledging the obvious late in the game. It is still being written about (largely, by the Enquirer)because every day seems to reveal increasingly disturbing details. Find me one prominent Democrat that has come out to impune John Edwards. The DNC homepage is scrubbed of any talk regarding the scandal. Democrats never, ever eat their own over moral failings - never have and never will. It was made worse with the addition of a complicit media actively ignoring the story until they couldn't ignore it credibly anymore.
Jim, it was utterly buried in the mainstream, and at the time it broke the LA Times actively told its bloggers NOT to mention it. You can thank the National Enquirer, of all places, for the most dogged reporting on the subject. Nobody else covered it, and Bill Keller at the NYT was one of MANY who have made excuses. In fact, and maybe you didn't realize this, but the link you provided directly linked to an article from the Huff. Post (of all places) that corroborated exactly what I'm saying. Dig a bit deeper and you'll find many articles discussing the blacking out of the Edwards scandal.
Saying now that he's killed his career was obvious - who could credibly deny it? At this point they HAVE to. I'm not giving credit to people for acknowledging the obvious late in the game. It is still being written about (largely, by the Enquirer)because every day seems to reveal increasingly disturbing details. Find me one prominent Democrat that has come out to impune John Edwards. The DNC homepage is scrubbed of any talk regarding the scandal. Democrats never, ever eat their own over moral failings - never have and never will. It was made worse with the addition of a complicit media actively ignoring the story until they couldn't ignore it credibly anymore.
joshua - 08/21/08 16:21
Obviously I don't, since I went ahead and wrote it, but certainly I'm willing to admit that it is an indecent thing to say. I'll live with it.
Obviously I don't, since I went ahead and wrote it, but certainly I'm willing to admit that it is an indecent thing to say. I'll live with it.
jim - 08/21/08 16:20
Democrats did reject John Edwards over that. No one would stand for him as VP or in a cabinet level position. Every democrat I've talked to or read stuff from pretty much thinks he's killed his career. How did he not get hung out to dry? :::link::: It's still getting written about today. If anything, it was covered more then the Georgian crisis or the financial meltdown for a couple weeks to my dismay.
Democrats did reject John Edwards over that. No one would stand for him as VP or in a cabinet level position. Every democrat I've talked to or read stuff from pretty much thinks he's killed his career. How did he not get hung out to dry? :::link::: It's still getting written about today. If anything, it was covered more then the Georgian crisis or the financial meltdown for a couple weeks to my dismay.
drew - 08/21/08 15:51
I think saying he doesn't love his sons is over the line.
I think saying he doesn't love his sons is over the line.
Mentioning JFK, the Belt Parkway, and Commack made me a little teary-eyed with homesickness. So far there is no WNY equivalent of the frenetic, shoulderless, sometimes-raceway sometimes-parking lot of the Belt (*sigh*). The best is to take it all the way to the Verrazano Narrows Bridge. I love that crazy highway.
And Trader Joe's! The one in Commack isn't even all that great and still it's great. I'd love to see one where Latina's was but there's no way they'd open one on Elmwood, I think the Co-op is too great a barrier to entry for the natural/organic foods market (which, despite the proliferation of vegan cupcakes in Elmwood cafes and ice cream parlors, is still relatively small.)
I was just talking with a new friend about mangosteens last night. She said that they're amazing, and that they're so rare that they can sometimes fetch $25.00 apiece in New York City.
Why am I rambling about Asian fruit?
Now don't be talkin' crazy James!
Hey, want to do a signature campaign for bringing them to downtown?? :)
Trader Joe's.... I would even move to Jersey for you.
I've half-thought about sending them photos of the 'hood and say, "Joe's, you belong next door." Seriously - quality food, great prices, eclectic selection in a city like ours would be a great service to the people. I wouldn't shop anywhere else unless I'm buying beer or bulk stuff. The one I visited in California was a bit bigger and my only complaint was that the produce seemed skimp.
WHAT IS THE SECRET PLAN????? I AM WILLING TO DRESS IN BLACK AND EAT EXCLUSIVELY APPLES FOR A WEEK if it helps!!! (Not that I don't do this already, but just showing commitment to a worthy cause) Trader Joe's is an ULTRA WORTHY cause!!! DREW< COME ON!! SPILL IT!
Mangosteen rules! I had it fresh in Vietnam.
you talk like a conservative, but you eat like a hippie.
I love Joe's, too. Someday I will share my secret plan to get them to Buffalo.