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06/04/2008 18:23 #44546

Gay Is Ok2 Cali Style
Category: issues

First of all (e:libertad) On my other post with this name You made a very good point about self hate. I think that is true for other groups of people also. Also on my previous post I did Burn 30Days but haven't had time to watch it yet. I do plan on going to the Parade on Sunday to take pictures, maybe around spot, I wonder if I should take some pictures at Kleinhans if I wake up early enough or who knows maybe I'll still be up. I guessing I'll just be there for the Parade though. Before I forget The Stripteasers who preform at Roxy's (never been) will be doing a full show on Friday at Nietcehes I think it is like $7, I plan on going to that. Not sure what will happen if I take pictures, maybe pictures with no flash we shall see.


I will admit that after reading the article below I'm not sure if it is possible for people in California to try and stop this. I'm not sure if there is a way to define being married as being a man and women , but in any event it looks like gay Marriage is legal. But that does bring up a question I have? Why not change the tittle of Gay Marriage to Same Sex Marriage. The reason I say this is what if two friends want to get married for the benefits. You know how some guys are so close they are like brothers or two girls are like sisters. Well what if say one of them has a kid if something happens then the other person could raise the kid and they would just take right over. Or what if one of the people gets real sick then there legal partner could do all the legal stuff since they would be legaly married. The other thing it would do is, take of the negative stigma of the word gay it might even make basicly the same thing more exceptable to a lot of people, just and idea. Here is the article.

California court says gay marriages can proceed

By Adam Tanner 1 hour, 1 minute ago

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's Supreme Court gave the final green light on Wednesday for gay marriages to begin later this month, turning down requests for a delay.


The most populous U.S. state's highest court ruled last month that refusing homosexuals the right to wed violated the state constitution.

Opponents then asked the court to halt the start of gay weddings until November, when the state's voters will decide a ballot measure that, if approved by a simple majority, will define marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

"It would have been unprecedented to postpone constitutional rights based on speculation of how a political scenario may or may not play out," San Francisco city attorney Dennis Herrera said.

"Folks can get married on June 17," he said.

The court voted 4-3 to deny the petition to stay the decision. The same judges voted the same way on May 15 in the landmark decision, hailed by gay activists and condemned by social conservatives.

The court's original ruling becomes final at 5 p.m. on June 16, opening the way for gay marriages to start the next day.

"This is another four-to-three vote for legal chaos," Glen Lavy, senior counsel at the Alliance Defense Fund, which is fighting against gay marriage, said in a statement.

"This decision is the most egregious case of judicial activism in modern American history. The refusal to wait for the people to decide by the constitutional process confirms that."

GAY MARRIAGE OPEN TO ALL

Massachusetts is the only U.S. state that allows same-sex marriage, but offers licenses only to its own residents. California has no residency requirement, which means gays from across the United States will be able to go there to marry.

San Francisco, internationally known for its gay community, briefly allowed homosexuals to marry four years ago before a court ended the ceremonies. The legal battle that followed culminated in last month's decision.

Gay marriage remains a topic of hot debate in U.S. politics. More than 25 states have constitutional amendments barring gay marriage.

The group behind the November California ballot measure against gay marriage expects to spend at least $10 million in the campaign.

Polls have showed contrasting trends. A Field poll published last week showed 51 percent in favor of gay marriage and 42 percent opposed. But a Los Angeles Times poll a week before found 54 percent backed the amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman while 35 percent opposed it.

Should that measure pass, gay marriages could again come to an end. But thousands of same-sex couples are expected to tie the knot over the summer.

(Editing by David Storey and Alan Elsner)



One other thing I thought of is that there is no requirement to live in CA. So I wonder if that will encourage people to come there to get married and have a ceramonie and then go back to there state where they aren't acknowledged as being married. Then maybe if enough people do that it might get some movements going stronger in states to get at least any marraige rights to be rocongized like how NYS is doing it. In any event very interesting times we live in.
metalpeter - 06/06/08 20:01
You sound like a founding father. When I first heard about this story but didn't want to post anything because the legality wasn't settled yet and I think someone there may still try to challenge the ruling somehow, we shall see.
libertad - 06/05/08 20:00
It is very historic metalpeter. I was not aware of the recent news regarding the CA. supreme court's ruling giving the final green light for same-sex marriaes. That is so awesome! Screw the tyranny of the majority!

06/03/2008 17:50 #44530

30 Days
Category: tv
Morten Spurlock made a movie called Supersize me that was about what would happens if he lived on McDonalds only for 30 days, and it was pretty good. That lead to (maybe the idea for the series came first not sure) a show called 30 days. It isn't all ways him that does the task in his show, for example one time a Christian lived as a Mueslum for 30 days. That one was very interesting and some of them really have been very good. The season Premiere is tonight on FX , I think this is the 3rd season. From what I read online he goes back to his home town and becomes a Coal Miner for 30 days. I'm not sure what the other ones are about but it could be interesting. I will admit I have not seen his newest movie about trying to find Bin Laden , that does look very interesting also.
chico - 06/04/08 09:31
Did you watch the coal-miner episode? It sounds interesting. I've heard coal-mining is shitty, back-breaking work.

06/02/2008 19:33 #44522

2nd life Documentaries
Category: entertainment
So over the weekend I watched two Interesting documentaries. I admit I not one of those "I have to watch everything and find out all the truths of the world and watch anyone that is on". But depending on the subject matter they can be pretty good. The first one was called "Hacking Demacrocy" (how ever you fucking spell it) and it was about how you could steal votes and how Diebold had some security flaws. I admit that I'm not a fan of the electoral college. But maybe if this can really happen and maybe if Ohio was stolen (they never say that it was) then maybe we do still need that kind of protection. The second one I watched was called Molotov Alva. It is about a guy who vanishes in the real world and then appears in 2nd life. There where different chapters to it and it was pretty interesting, granted I have never played or partook in 2nd life so not sure how realistic it was. In this he looked for the creator. things in the game would get compared to his first life and it was interesting and philosphical it was on cinemax on demand. I wound up not watching it in order but I still got the gist of it. I think starting a week from Today HBO starts there series of documentaries I will admit I'm not really sure what they are all about or what most of them are about but I'm sure there will be some I like. I really need to remember that I have sundance and IFC. Yes a lot of there stuff is to indie for me but sometimes they have some great stuff on also.

06/01/2008 13:44 #44508

MMA & Narnia
Category: entertainment
So last night I started to Watch the Penguins game and it was good for the hour I watched but then, I had a decision to make and I went with Fighting on TV. Here is a good link that can explain it much better then I can
(I don't remember if it says what ones where on TV and what ones were not). I know I enjoyed it. One problem though with MMA is that you never know how a fight will be. Sometimes you can have a quick short fight or one where they wrestle and try to get submissions. If you don't understand the submissions it looks very dull and the action is hard to see. I admit I was a little mixed up as why they stopped the fights. I do think it not being on a pay channel may have factored it in, and that a lot of people would be new to it. I really liked the girls who fight that Carano girl is pretty hot and looks like she can fight pretty good. I think last Night was QCRG's Championship Bout and then there was Art & Models Hope those that went to either had a great time. June is all ready going to get kinda busy. Next week is pride, weekend after that is Allentown (hope I can get something this year, money is kinda tight, ok more then kinda), Towards the end of the month I have two Concerts Deathklok (with supporting acts) and Hatebreed. I have a trip at the end of the month. Plus I want to see that Bleach Movie. I thought (e:ladycroft) said she was coming to town in June also.

Tonight is the MTV Movie Awards (live they claim but not sure). I all ways like those because I think the fans vote on most of the awards. Plus they have things like best Kiss and I think they should come up with some new cleaver ones like one year it was Best Summer movie that hasn't come out yet, but I don't remember what one. I won't be watching it live though I'll be Watching Wrestling PPV.

Oh yeah the reason I wrote in the first place was to say I saw the New Narnia movie. With out giving anything away there are a couple spots where things are mentioned that if you read the books you would know about. Disney Decided not to make all the books into movies they are only doing the ones that have all 4 kids in them. So those who have read all the books would know what books those are. To be honest not knowing what they were talking about wasn't a big deal really but to know would have made it better. There is a part where it sounds as if they grew older in Narnia and left but that they had no control over leaving and now when they are back they are younger, but maybe I misread the meaning. I thought that the movie was very good. Story wise it is a little bit darker and there is some more conflict to go along with the action. Not sure if the story is entirely true to the book but the story is pretty good. Oh yeah and the action is pretty good to. I have heard some where that there is Religious meaning in the Narnia Stories and I myself have never noticed it. But that being said I'm sure if you go in deciding to try and find it I'm sure one could, there is one part where it is right out there and you can't mis it. I also do like how the one army looks like something out of the 300 and even the leader of the army looks like the same guy. I thought it was very good.
ladycroft - 06/02/08 10:20
yes, she is coming!
vincent - 06/01/08 22:04
From reading about that show last night I realized that New York State still has a ban on "Ultimate Fighting." It was actually from that guy's article a day before :::link:::
it just reminds me how I had tickets for one of the early UFC's that was to scheduled at the then Niagara Falls Convention Center, years before it became the Casino.

It's just another example of how our politicians totally in their own world. Yea, banning it in NY really slowed down the explosion of the sport. Just think how much money they would of made if the CBS show was @ MSG instead of the Meadowlands Arena or whatever the call that place across the water.

05/31/2008 19:25 #44501

Gay is Ok
Category: issues
I thought now would be a good time to talk about the fact that I have no problems with Homosexuals, bisexuals, or heterosexuals. This was going to be one of the issues I knew I would touch on. The reason for it now is because gay rights and people who disagree with them have been in the news lately oh yeah and Isn't Buffalo's pride parade like next weekend. Two quick side notes the tittle to the blog is stupid and I did update my post on the square and added some photos.

I will admit that the way I look at things in general is that people should be able to do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, unless they want to be hurt but that is a completely different conversation itself. This is true in sex, love, and Marriage also. Hey if people love each other that is all that matters. Their love or sometimes lust doesn't hurt anyone and no one makes you watch so just leave people alone. I use this same belief for drugs and other things also. If you want to get high and stay at home all day or party it up as long as you keep your needle to your self and your dependancy doesn't fuck up any other persons life fine then.

I know that I'm not as open to things as I should be. When I was growing up you all ways hear the "hey fag" and things along those lines as a way of bashing someone (who isn't gay) by calling them gay. I will admit that some of that still sticks with me. I try not to do it but it is tough sometimes. I never really mean it in way that is hurt full it is just a way to mess around with someone else and it gets them upset because they find homosexuality wrong. I will admit I am trying to stop it. When someone says it to me I'm not offended since I don't think there is anything wrong about being gay.

Some people say that being gay in unnatural. I say that isn't true there are gay animals. I also think that there is a chance that being gay could be very natural. The best example I can think of is in china where they have the one child clause. Yes I know that there are ways for gays to have kids like invitro and adoption. But from a physical sense two people who with out help wouldn't have a child would be a way to cause population control.

Most people who spout that homosexuality is evil and a sin do believe it. I know there are things that use as examples to back up there point. But what I don't get is I thought you weren't supposed to judge people you know that "he who is without sin cast the first stone" story. I also think that the line that goes something like "a man shouldn't lie with another man" could have other meanigs other then gay sex is wrong. I think that line was put in as a way to put down the Greeks since they where known for gay sex, I have even heard gay sex called greek style. I'm not saying that people who think gay sex is wrong are wrong I just don't agree with how they get there ideas from there religion. I also think it is what they have been taught and then once they believe that they use their bible as a way to back it up.

I do think gays should be treated as equals. I think that one reason why there still is so much hate by some for them is that you don't know who is gay so unless there is a clue you assume someone isn't. For example Asians, Blacks, Women, and other minorities there is something physical that sets them apart. So you might not like blacks but then you know this black guy who is great with computers so you go "hey he isn't like the ones I see on TV, this guy is pretty fucking cool". So by meeting people you learn that all the sterotypes aren't true. But you could work with someone who is gay and go work out with him and be in a shower with 4 gay guys and never know. If you knew they where you might shower by yourself. I do think that they do have the right to be treated as equals and to march and have parades and stuff. I'm sorry but there is a however coming sorry, I don't think they should expect peoples ideas to really change. If someone thinks that homosexuality is a sin you can't expect them to change there religious ideas. Here comes another however, however I think it is fair to be asked not be be harassed by people who think homosexuality is wrong. There is for some people a strong feeling that gays try to push there beliefs that there life style is ok onto others. I don't believe that to be true. But I do see why someone who does think homosexuality is wrong would think that.

I think things like pride weeks, gay groups, and other things along those lines are a good idea. Let face it even rebels want to fit in even if it is just with other rebels a little bit. That is why I think those clubs are good. I also think that it is good to have pride in who you are (as long as it doesn't put you in danger).

I feel as if I have left something out other then Marriage. I do understand why people believe gay marriage is wrong. If you believe being gay is wrong or at least not natural how could you approve of marriage. I think that there are rights that you can only get from marriage and that in every state people both stright and gay should be able to get them and once you get one in one state it would be national. This could even cover Hetero Life mates (movie wise think Jay and Silent Bob, is that a good or bad example), this way you are considered family. There is a difference between getting Married in a church and by the state. I think gays should be allowed to get married by the state and currently it is a state issue. NYS looks like it will recongnize gay marriages in other states now. But currently it is a state issue and not a federal one. I think that it should become a federal issue and gay marriage should be allowed. The reason I say that is right now we are in a real gray area. What happens if say in CA it does become legal to get Married and then you have to move someplace else and that state doesn't give you the rights you just had in that other state. Polygomy is illegal, I think it should be but that is for another time. What if you are a family man living in say South Carolina and you have a gay lover out of state and you then get married if it was to a women you would go to jail but since your state doesn't know about it, there is no pollygomy. See there is so much gray area that I think the feds need to make it legal in every state. That being said Marriage is also a religious mater also. That is why I think that no church or priest should have to Marry anyone they don't want to. I also think they should have the right not to be sued for not doing so. If there religious belief is that it is wrong they can't be held resposneible for doing what they think is right. I don't mean they agree to do it then the day before the event go, oh I changed my mind sorry, that just wouldn't be right.

Hopefully I covered everything I wanted to and congratulations to anyone who made it all the way to the bottom and understood what I was talking about. I almost forgot don't ask don't tell makes no sense. If it was used correctly and stright guys couldn't talk about the girl they fucked then it would be ok. But when you have to fit in you can't go "oh after i fucked becky I walked out to the kitchen naked and saw her mom eating a strawberry so I got out the whip cream and fucked her to" with out lying. But if you tell the truth that you and the boyfriend went dancing and then fucked all day you can get kicked out. If you lie about that stuff what else will that cause people to lie about. Ok I think that is really it, and if anyone didn't see last years Pride Pictures they should be up on my webshots page now.
libertad - 06/03/08 21:32
It's nice to have your support metalpeter. You make so many valid points. Gay pride is so important because so many gays are self-hating rather than proud. I would say that many of us gays have had suffered from self hate at one point or another in our lives. If you hate yourself for being gay how could you expect that others accept it? The progress that gays have made in this country could never have been achieved if gays did not learn to love themselves first.
metalpeter - 06/01/08 12:01
I think you make a very good point that most people haven't really seen gays persecuted. I know it does happen and that when it does you might not hear about it, unless someone is killed and it is known that they where killed because they are gay. I know that it still happens in other countries. I heard someone who was Some kind of Arab say that we don't have Gays (think he mentioned child molesters also) in our country, the response was along the lines of "because you kill them all". I don't know if they really do, but there are still (bible belt states [downtown buffalo] and Boston) lots of places where publicly being gay can be dangerous. The reason I said Boston is That it seems every year there is some big thing about how gays can't be in the St. Patrick's day Parade. I don't know if it is because it is a gay organisation or just people who are gay. I think that often people take Pride in things that they have no control over and so they shouldn't really be proud. But with being gay it is a little bit different because there is often shame asocilated with it. You are also correct about the insane asylums I saw an interview with someone (famous I think) who didn't come out to there parents because they didn't want to go to an asylum, that wasn't really very long ago.

I like your point that there was never a hetero persecution day. I will admit I have heard this same argument on race but not for Pride (I'm sure they are the same). It comes down to them thinking that if they had a Hetero (white pride march) then they would be called Haters or racist or what ever but when the Minority does it, that is fine. They are getting at Hypocry and from there side they have a good point but in terms of gays I disagree with them. That being said I have to give anyone who does the gay pride Parade credit. I know there is no way that I could do it. The fear that someone who knows me but doesn't get that I'm gay and then sees me on the news or something that all of a sudden goes from friend to hating me would freak me out. Stuff like that really does happen. That might be part of the reason why I wasn't so sure about going to the parade the first time and why I took so few pictures. I don't really care what people think of me. But at the same time I don't want to make any enemies out of people who where friends because I was at a parade.

I do think that there is one other reason why people don't like there being Pride and a Parade. Some people think that there is A gay Agenda and that they want people to accept them and think that there lifestyle is ok. From this perspective it is like gays are throwing there life style in there face. I can completely understand how people would think that, but don't agree with it my self.

I'm sure I left something out of response but if so that is ok.
paul - 05/31/08 19:52
Thanks peter. By the way I don't think anyone is demanding that churches recognize gay marriage. I am pretty sure that gay people wanting to get married are mostly concerned about the state version of marriage or belong to some church that already supports them or to no church at all. Maybe I am wrong but I have never heard a of say a gay catholic demanding the catholic church recognize their gay marriage.

I think the reason people think pride is weird is because most people have not seen gays really persecuted, only harassed. Say in the example where you were talking about how some people use the word fag in a harassing way. However, not that long ago and still in many place gay people were seriously abused and even killed or brutalized in insane asylums and concentration camps. People just forget about that part.

It really makes me insane when people complain abou their is a gay pride day but no hetero pride day. I think that lies in the fact that there was never a hetero persecution day. I bet that would change things a bit, lol.