metalpeter - 05/03/10 18:07
Well if the Indians would have been like any other nation in the world when we found this place they would have cut of our heads put them on spears and put them on the beach as a warning to not come back (kinda like the vikans who found this place before europeans). In other words unless you are 100% Native American one of your ancesters (sometimes very recently) where an imegrant.

Why can you not throw people out. Well that is an easy one.
1. They have a legal citizen that is a child, who will raise the kid?
2. They do Jobs that most americans won't. You know things like pic fruits and shit like that.
3. There is a certain part of society that does benefit from them.

Here is the thing is that their is a lot of guised speak in terms of imegartion . The illegal asian girls who work in chinese food places, and giving messages and call girls and shit like that see those are ok, but mexicans are not thought in the same way. For some it is that if you are from a European country then that is fine.

What there needs to be is some kind of new program to deal with people who are here illegaly and aren't doing anything wrong. Here is what I would do.

1. Any one who is found is given a number
2. They are fingerprinted
3. Picture Taken
4. Then a Name is established
5. That name is them from now one with that picture and those prints
6. There are in many cities these adult education classes they are sent to those and they must attend (guesing they take attandance), In English (can't make them speak it but they will atleast learn it)

Anyone can call in anyone else and say I think so and so at such and such a place is illegal. Guys can show up scan your State, or school ID (they will all have a bar on them) and it will bring up all your info. {hey I don't like this big brother stuff but I guess it is nesacary]


DEA and Border control can do this not like the DEA has anything else do anyways, HA. Oh yeah or the feds could do their job.

Now here is the bigger question if I can come up with an idea that can work or would at least be base why can't any president come up with one?

tiburon1724 - 05/02/10 22:21
I don't know why it's not as simple as...are you legal? Yes-ok you can stay. No-get the fuck out. Now.

metalpeter - 05/02/10 13:26
On a personal level there are a couple reasons I don't cook really.
1. With it just being me stuff winds up going to waste (all the cooking stuff for multiple dishes)
2. Taste wise I like the unhealthy stuff, things like beef and things like that.

That being said if cooking where to fit me I would do it. I think there are still many familes where people do cook, I'm just not one of them. Just because you cook doesn't mean it is good for you. I used to do fried chicken, YUM. But not to good for ya.

I do agree with you that you need people to do things that are healthy for themselves. But I think that in terms of the medical field prevention should be #1 goal and not profit, and then the #2 goal should be to fit illness. Cures for things fit right in there with both things.

Yes there are some health plans that do pay you for doing things that make you healthier like exercise. And here is my but. They are doing it for the wrong reason. They know that if you do healthy stuff you chance of getting sick is less so they will make more money. It isn't that it makes you healthier and that is better for the world. So they are doing the right thing for the wrong reason. But it is a start.

I think there must be some way to let people know and encourage them to be healthy. It is true that people with cars do a lot of preventive stuff but they don't do it for them selves. Again this is tricky cause some people can't exercise or have to do certain things. For example Running is bad for the knees but good for the heart. People have to start out slow and work into things. There has to be some enjoyment as well.

I don't have the answers but I do know that we are fighting health, the drug problem, and imegration backwards one must fight the cause and not the symptom. Best example I have is my school loan or even a credit card bill. Those companies will let you pay only the interest. Well when the balance never gets any lower you will pay them back untill you die. If there was a way that you only paid off what you owe and then got that done then paid of the interest you would be much better off (you pay some interest and some of the premium I still have some time to go on mine).

tinypliny - 05/02/10 12:00
Peter, great comment about prevention. But prevention has one major stumbling block. It needs personal resolve, determination and conviction on the part of the individual who needs to adopt prevention. Tell me this. Will you be willing to devote an hour to cooking each day if I guaranteed you that you will not end up with say, heart disease when you hit 60? What is you gut reaction to this statement? (Don't say that you can't cook, because in a preventive environment, let's assume that someone will be able and willing to come to your house and show you how to start this).

metalpeter - 05/02/10 09:50
I think that Drugs should be legal and taxed. Hey everyone who was alive then saw how when you made Alcohol illegal it pushed it into the streets and there was all this crime. That is a very debatable point. But the drug war Is fought backwards in this country just like immigration . What they do is they lock up people for using drugs and selling them. But what happens is new drug dealers show up. I get that drugs do destroy a lot of peoples lives. But it is supply and demand, if there was no demand then no one would sell drugs. Another way to look at this is you locked up all the cocaine then people who do that and need to get high would find some other drug. But if there was a real system in place that aimed to make it so people don't need to take drugs that would take care of the drug problem (well most of it).

(e:Tinypliny) you mentioned something in one of your posts or comments about prevention in being healthy. I agree with you and ad this. Health is an example where we so often come at being sick from the backwards way. Diet pills are to get thin and lose weight not about being healthy. Go into a drug store and you have all kinds of pills that will make you feel better and some might make you less sick, that isn't really the point. The point is that all this stuff is to make you better after you are sick. This is true of Scripts also. Yes there are people who work on cures for things, but even that is a cure so that say you have cancer or something it will go away. Here is a better way, why not approach health as a preventive measure so people won't get sick. Granted it could never bee 100%. But Imagine if instead of finding a cure for AIDS (some day) and Cancer. What if there was a way (yes eating healthy is a great start but often you need more) that people who may get breast Cancer could take a pill or shot of some kind that could prevent that kind of cancer from growing. Yes there is some movement in the Medical field for prevention, but it should be the entire way of thinking. Now can you control what do to be healthy, no, but you can still help prevent a lot of stuff by leading with prevention as opposed to reaction.

metalpeter - 05/02/10 09:33
I have a theory but it is just a theory. No Matter what major city you came to there was this system in place where everyone who was Irish lived in the same area and everyone who is polish lived together. Most major cities still have a China Town. It makes sense that if people speak the same Language and have the same customs that they would naturally form groups. Then I guess it makes sense that One Group of people don't want people with different ideas and morays living with them.

Where I get lost is that after a few generations where everyone speaks english that this should go away. I think that over time what at once was I hate this person for this is down to the level of a joke. But Also think that everyone who is "White" kinda blended together and people who look different (black and Hispanic) there is still a lot of hate for.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I'm all for illegals to come here. But I do get that after Europeans landed here we took over the country bought LA, had a war and got some of mexico. Indians still live on reservations (not all of them) and have Casinos and Battle over tax of Cigarettes so we are still very connected to our forming of a country.

I'm not going to blame the Church for this, but we Americans Think we are better then others. I"m not saying all Americans but a Vast Majority I think it has become an American Thing.


But Part of the point of my post is that we do so many things back wards in this country and it drives me crazy that will be my next comment.

tinypliny - 05/01/10 20:41
It's interesting that this country was built wholly through immigration. It's cutting edge scientific prowess is 90% attributable to immigration. It's cultural and communal societies are built on tolerance and heterogeneity.

I wonder why this heterogeneity of the country does not influence guided law-making in an area that is so central a theme here.

metalpeter - 04/30/10 19:11
That is a good one. I wonder though if the Happy Hour is more about relaxing with a drink or if the social aspect. In terms of a happy minute by the end of the week you might make it to a happy 3 minutes and over time your body would adjust and you could stay longer and drink more, not that I'm encouraging that. But it does look fun though.

tinypliny - 04/30/10 17:51
I probably just need a happy minute to become completely sloshed. hahahah

metalpeter - 04/30/10 19:02
Well maybe. I used to like the cold, some. I used to cross Country ski, and I did go down hill skiing. I like watching the cold sports on TV. As much as I like it on TV I could never stand out side in the cold and watch those sports, maybe partaking would keep me warm but I don't know?

tinypliny - 04/30/10 17:50
This might be physiologically impossible for someone like me. :)

metalpeter - 05/01/10 16:55
In Terms of Trust, I find it hard to trust people because I know all it takes is one slight little mistake and ouch. That is why I won't do any of those adventure activites. All you need is for the person holding the rope to think about something for a few seconds and your safety is at risk.

paul - 04/30/10 21:29
Hm, I don't think I could trust someone enough either.

metalpeter - 04/30/10 19:07
That is a good point. I think for me it would have to be someone I was say dating, or knew well. I also have to add that I think for it to work you have to have a very strong and honest relationship. The reason I say that is you can't have some deep down resentment that isn't aired and then have some kind of crop or belt and you take out the anger on them. I don't mean on purpose just that stuff building up. I like the shopping analogy.

tinypliny - 04/30/10 17:49
Hmmm... I think the wish falls into the window shopping curiosity. Interesting but not really practical. :)