Co-op Membership
I took the plunge -
If the GM writes you, gives you some good information and basically says, "hey, we'd love to have you if you're on the same page as us," I don't think you can get a better invite than that. This morning, on the way to work, I went in and paid up in full. You pay in full, you get a reusable bag for free! To Tim - I hope you read this. Thanks for giving me the information to make me realize that I should have done this sooner - if I see you in the store I'll introduce myself!
As Tim said, you don't have to pay in full though - as you can see on my temporary membership card, the numbers 1-8 are present. This is simply to track how close you are to paying it all off, if you are paying $10 at a time. As long as you are current on payment you will retain the member benefits. You can put members of your household on record as well, which I did.
Generally speaking, I am on the same page as they are. After I had the benefits of ownership properly explained to me, my biggest concerns were alleviated. The new owner package comes with what I think is the best coupon book I've ever seen - numerous products with sharp discounts, or outright free. I think this is great, because to be perfectly honest I'd never consider purchasing some of these items and now I have some encouragement to give them a shot.
I learned something in the LexTalk magazine - the Co-op derives 100% of its energy supply from renewable resources. How excellent is that? Also, as a member you can join the Buffalo Cooperative Federal Credit Union, which I'd definitely encourage. Big banks suck - you're a number and customer service is woeful. At a local bank, or a credit union, you'll be much better off in my estimation. This is consistent with the Co-op philosophy of being as localcentric as possible - the Co-op credit union cycles dollars locally, which is always a good thing.
I think the Co-op has room for improvement. There are a few things that are still not clear to me: for example, there are a number of everyday basic items that you receive a 15% discount on - today I bought milk but the receipt doesn't itemize how much I saved. The receipt gives you an aggregate savings amount at the bottom. I know what I saved, but not on what items. I would like to be able to see exactly how much I saved on the milk, at least a way to differentiate my member only savings. For that matter, I don't know exactly what items are considered "every day basics." How do I find out? Also, I am unsure about how the bulk ordering works and how you go about it - I don't have any information that tells me. Maybe there is something on the site that I missed?
A Special Request, Possibly Unfulfilled
As far as products in the store, I have a pet peeve that drives me crazy. I'm probably pickier than most about what coffee I drink at home - the fact that it is free trade organic isn't good enough. I know I'm weirder than most as to how I brew my coffee at home as well - a drip cone and a grinder are my only tools. The co-op has a fantastic selection of coffee, some of it single origin, but I think the Co-op is missing an opportunity to differentiate itself.
I'm talking about microroasting. I was turned on to this during my last trip to CA, where I learned about small scale coffee roasters that insist on serving only that which has been roasted very, very recently - no later than 8 hours prior to shipment is the standard for Blue Bottle Coffee, where I buy mine. I can get fresher coffee mailed to me from CA than I can here in Buffalo.
I've seen the difference myself, and believe me, the coffee is markedly better. When I receive it in the mail, the aroma coming off the bag is unlike any fresh coffee you'll ever smell - it has a fresh roasted quality that I can't describe with words. I love their Chiapas because it is melange roasted (good luck finding that kind of roast anywhere within 500 miles, it's a lost artform), giving the coffee a quality that makes you think you're drinking a campfire. Getting the same coffee locally, even from the same single origin source (I've done this with Columbian that both the Co-op and Blue Bottle sold), shows me that simply put the local product is inferior. I think that if other coffee lovers smelled this stuff and gave it a shot, that they'd be willing to seek it out, but then again it's possible that I'm the only one in Buffalo this crazy about microroasted coffee.
This can change. I happen to know a guy at Spot who basically told me, "hey, if you want the coffee fresh just come down, we'll pull the beans right out of the roaster for you." That's great for me but is of no help to the community at large. Ideally, I wish the Co-op roasted their own beans and offered microroasted stuff to customers, or at least to members for purchase at select times. If the Co-op had no interest in an in-house setup due to financial or logistical reasons, maybe this sort of thing could be contracted out to Spot, since they already have the equipment.
Maybe it's a far flung dream that won't yield a benefit to the Co-op, but the bottom line is that I think it's sad that the freshest beans available to me have to be bought, packed, shipped and delivered from somewhere else. I've considered buying "green" beans and roasting them at home myself. Maybe it would be the start of a local, small scale budding coffee business that people would be proud of. Am I that crazy?
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06/10/2009 11:45 #48883
Co-op Ownership, Pt. II06/09/2009 16:06 #48877
Adam Lambert - BIG SURPRISE ANNOUNCEMENTAdam Lambert: "I'm gay."
America: "We know."
America: "We know."
jenks - 06/10/09 07:00
yeah Byblos was delish. We went with a Lebanese guy who ordered for us. He says sahara grill is ok, but that Byblos is the best. He said falafel bar is "jewish style so they don't use our spices and it's bland", whatever that means.
yeah Byblos was delish. We went with a Lebanese guy who ordered for us. He says sahara grill is ok, but that Byblos is the best. He said falafel bar is "jewish style so they don't use our spices and it's bland", whatever that means.
joshua - 06/09/09 23:47
(e:jenks) - Did you like Byblos? It's within reach of my office.
Personally, I believed he was gay when I saw the pictures of him kissing another guy.
(e:jenks) - Did you like Byblos? It's within reach of my office.
Personally, I believed he was gay when I saw the pictures of him kissing another guy.
jenks - 06/09/09 23:26
oh, and speaking of sweetness-
I just had dinner at Byblos in Getzville and had their Turkish coffee- granted I've never had Turkish coffee before, but this was damn good. I usually can't drink black coffee, but this was actually delicious.
oh, and speaking of sweetness-
I just had dinner at Byblos in Getzville and had their Turkish coffee- granted I've never had Turkish coffee before, but this was damn good. I usually can't drink black coffee, but this was actually delicious.
jenks - 06/09/09 23:25
Haha, I saw a Leno headline like that a few years ago about Clay Aiken.
Haha, I saw a Leno headline like that a few years ago about Clay Aiken.
paul - 06/09/09 23:14
I can't believe he is gay, lol.
I can't believe he is gay, lol.
metalpeter - 06/09/09 18:41
I only know him from Idol ending as the show I was going to watch started and from pictures online and stuff. So there has to be something about how he moves or talks that yells gay, because from just looks alone he looks like about 30 different people from 30 different rock bands he just has that look.
I only know him from Idol ending as the show I was going to watch started and from pictures online and stuff. So there has to be something about how he moves or talks that yells gay, because from just looks alone he looks like about 30 different people from 30 different rock bands he just has that look.
jason - 06/09/09 16:44
On an unrelated note, I'm still bothered by the Obama poster at Sweetness 7. Am I supposed to light a candle by it? If I don't lick his balls like everyone else does that mean I'm not welcome at Sweetness 7? Is this their way of letting me know? I wish they would stick to the goddamned coffee.
On an unrelated note, I'm still bothered by the Obama poster at Sweetness 7. Am I supposed to light a candle by it? If I don't lick his balls like everyone else does that mean I'm not welcome at Sweetness 7? Is this their way of letting me know? I wish they would stick to the goddamned coffee.
06/08/2009 01:31 #48865
Overcharged at Sweetness 7I wasn't going to mention this in my blog, but I felt like I had to because I was disappointed, puzzled and then pleasantly surprised this morning at Sweetness 7.
I go to Sweetness 7 every weekend and have done so practically since they opened their doors. I have promoted it to my friends and pretty much anyone else willing to skip the lines at Spot for what I consider to be a superior product. What I don't like is when I order a drink that is priced $2.00 on the chalkboard, then ultimately get charged $3.50 for it.
I don't know if it was a mistake on the part of the cashier, or that the board is woefully underpriced. I've ordered the turkish coffee twice at Sweetness 7, and twice I've had the kids look back at me with puzzled looks, as if they're not sure how to make it. Combine this with my belief that I just paid double the price for the drink, and you can imagine how I'm feeling. At that point I'm just wishing that I never ordered it and am hoping for the best. Instead, I follow my instincts and let it ride, to what was a beautiful conclusion.
I made the mistake of not making it clear that I wanted my turkish to go. I've never switched from annoyance to wonderment so fast - I was handed a beautiful tray, with a tiny porcelain cup and the ibrik my coffee was made in! All of the sudden, I didn't care that it wasn't to go or that I even got double charged. I sat down like a good boy and enjoyed the hell out of my turkish coffee, then got an oolong tea to go on the way out. NEVER order turkish to go - it's a nice experience.
I don't like being overcharged, nevertheless. If the coffee is$3.50, then fine - at least have it on the damn chalkboard! I'll even go as far as to say that $2.00 is a bargain for a nice coffee experience like that and that I'd pay the $3.50 anyway. Just please, don't make me suspect that as a customer I'm being taken advantage of. I'm a guy that lives directly across the street from Spot, and of all the people in Buffalo it really is a special trip for me to go over to Grant and support the business.
I go to Sweetness 7 every weekend and have done so practically since they opened their doors. I have promoted it to my friends and pretty much anyone else willing to skip the lines at Spot for what I consider to be a superior product. What I don't like is when I order a drink that is priced $2.00 on the chalkboard, then ultimately get charged $3.50 for it.
I don't know if it was a mistake on the part of the cashier, or that the board is woefully underpriced. I've ordered the turkish coffee twice at Sweetness 7, and twice I've had the kids look back at me with puzzled looks, as if they're not sure how to make it. Combine this with my belief that I just paid double the price for the drink, and you can imagine how I'm feeling. At that point I'm just wishing that I never ordered it and am hoping for the best. Instead, I follow my instincts and let it ride, to what was a beautiful conclusion.
I made the mistake of not making it clear that I wanted my turkish to go. I've never switched from annoyance to wonderment so fast - I was handed a beautiful tray, with a tiny porcelain cup and the ibrik my coffee was made in! All of the sudden, I didn't care that it wasn't to go or that I even got double charged. I sat down like a good boy and enjoyed the hell out of my turkish coffee, then got an oolong tea to go on the way out. NEVER order turkish to go - it's a nice experience.
I don't like being overcharged, nevertheless. If the coffee is$3.50, then fine - at least have it on the damn chalkboard! I'll even go as far as to say that $2.00 is a bargain for a nice coffee experience like that and that I'd pay the $3.50 anyway. Just please, don't make me suspect that as a customer I'm being taken advantage of. I'm a guy that lives directly across the street from Spot, and of all the people in Buffalo it really is a special trip for me to go over to Grant and support the business.
metalpeter - 06/09/09 18:44
(e:Jim) and (e:Joshua) thanks for the info. The funny thing is I have gone past that building on the bus before many times but not sure if I have done so since it was Sweetness 7.
(e:Jim) and (e:Joshua) thanks for the info. The funny thing is I have gone past that building on the bus before many times but not sure if I have done so since it was Sweetness 7.
theecarey - 06/09/09 08:04
"Coffee should be as black as hell, as strong as death, and as sweet as love" (a Turkish proverb, fittingly) :)
Turkish coffee is an experience and it has been a few years since I have had a good cup & presentation. I'm sold on checking out this place, (e:joshua) thanks!
"Coffee should be as black as hell, as strong as death, and as sweet as love" (a Turkish proverb, fittingly) :)
Turkish coffee is an experience and it has been a few years since I have had a good cup & presentation. I'm sold on checking out this place, (e:joshua) thanks!
metalpeter - 06/08/09 18:22
So Sweetness 7 where is it and do they sell more then Just Tea and Coffee as there name implies?
So Sweetness 7 where is it and do they sell more then Just Tea and Coffee as there name implies?
james - 06/08/09 16:33
The Turkish Coffee at Sahara Grill is, like everything else there, awful. It was Sanka with a bunch of undissolved granules.
The Turkish Coffee at Sahara Grill is, like everything else there, awful. It was Sanka with a bunch of undissolved granules.
jim - 06/08/09 13:59
Sweetness 7 also serves Tru-Teas tea.
Sweetness 7 also serves Tru-Teas tea.
jenks - 06/08/09 13:36
yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. Buffalo Teas on utica next to mode. I *think* I saw tru-teas in the window yesterday.
yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. Buffalo Teas on utica next to mode. I *think* I saw tru-teas in the window yesterday.
jbeatty - 06/08/09 13:31
There is a tea store next to Mode on W. Utica, but Im not certain if its Tru Teas.
There is a tea store next to Mode on W. Utica, but Im not certain if its Tru Teas.
jenks - 06/08/09 13:23
yes i think sahara grill has turkish coffee, but i haven't been there in a couple years.
and I just saw tru-teas in a store window... crap... where.... right off elmwood, maybe on the same corner as mode? or maybe next to kuni's? crap... somewhere around there. I'll try to find out.
yes i think sahara grill has turkish coffee, but i haven't been there in a couple years.
and I just saw tru-teas in a store window... crap... where.... right off elmwood, maybe on the same corner as mode? or maybe next to kuni's? crap... somewhere around there. I'll try to find out.
jim - 06/08/09 11:44
Yeah, they have a perfectly laptop-height table, unlike Comfort Zone which is much more conveniently located but RSI-inducing.
Yeah, they have a perfectly laptop-height table, unlike Comfort Zone which is much more conveniently located but RSI-inducing.
joshua - 06/08/09 11:08
(e:jbeatty) I've never really had a problem with the products - the Vietnamese was the first coffee I ordered there, and I enjoyed it. It had a condensed milk/strong coffee flavor that I liked quite a lot - I wonder how it compares to the "real thing," but for now I'm just happy we have this to try.
With respect to the Turkish coffee, I think Sweetness 7 has one of the most unique coffee drinking experiences in the city. I'm telling you, I've loved it both time I've ordered it. Perhaps it is available elsewhere, like Aladdin or Sahara Grill (does anyone know?) so I'm not sure what a "good" Turkish really is. All I can say is that I enjoy this one - unfiltered, which is part of the fun, but you end up with this deep, dark, brown sugary drink that is worth the wait. Oh, right - that detail. It takes some time to prepare, but if you're hanging out anyway it's worth a try.
They also sell Tru-teas loose leaf tea, which I have no shortage of superlatives for... I wish I knew where I could buy some. When my Turkish was done I got some oolong for the ride home. I was told last summer that Tru-Teas was moving out of the Cooperative building - does anybody know the fate of Tru-Teas?
(e:jbeatty) I've never really had a problem with the products - the Vietnamese was the first coffee I ordered there, and I enjoyed it. It had a condensed milk/strong coffee flavor that I liked quite a lot - I wonder how it compares to the "real thing," but for now I'm just happy we have this to try.
With respect to the Turkish coffee, I think Sweetness 7 has one of the most unique coffee drinking experiences in the city. I'm telling you, I've loved it both time I've ordered it. Perhaps it is available elsewhere, like Aladdin or Sahara Grill (does anyone know?) so I'm not sure what a "good" Turkish really is. All I can say is that I enjoy this one - unfiltered, which is part of the fun, but you end up with this deep, dark, brown sugary drink that is worth the wait. Oh, right - that detail. It takes some time to prepare, but if you're hanging out anyway it's worth a try.
They also sell Tru-teas loose leaf tea, which I have no shortage of superlatives for... I wish I knew where I could buy some. When my Turkish was done I got some oolong for the ride home. I was told last summer that Tru-Teas was moving out of the Cooperative building - does anybody know the fate of Tru-Teas?
joshua - 06/08/09 10:57
I also noticed the height of the tables - it was perfect for daintily lifting my tiny coffee cup from the tray to my lips. I felt no strain whatsoever!
(I'm obviously joking, I rue the day where somebody takes me seriously on something like that)
I haven't really taken the time to hang out in there, although it does seem comfortable and I'll probably do so soon. I noticed their massive, cultist-sized Obama poster next to the door. I genuflected on the way out, although it was sort of tough with two cups in my hand. To some it may have looked like two middle fingers - I hope nobody mistook me! I'm not sure I displayed the proper level of reverence. In all seriousness though, my favorite detail in the store has to be the Zen symbol.
I also noticed the height of the tables - it was perfect for daintily lifting my tiny coffee cup from the tray to my lips. I felt no strain whatsoever!
(I'm obviously joking, I rue the day where somebody takes me seriously on something like that)
I haven't really taken the time to hang out in there, although it does seem comfortable and I'll probably do so soon. I noticed their massive, cultist-sized Obama poster next to the door. I genuflected on the way out, although it was sort of tough with two cups in my hand. To some it may have looked like two middle fingers - I hope nobody mistook me! I'm not sure I displayed the proper level of reverence. In all seriousness though, my favorite detail in the store has to be the Zen symbol.
jbeatty - 06/08/09 10:57
I have heard both a negetive and positive review of this place just this week. I really need to try it because I love both Vietnamese and Turkish coffee
I have heard both a negetive and positive review of this place just this week. I really need to try it because I love both Vietnamese and Turkish coffee
james - 06/08/09 10:46
I have had their egg sandwich twice now. The thing is huge, has giant slices of tomato and served on a home made English muffin. Their other food looks good, but that sandwich keeps me coming back.
I have had two different kinds of espresso there as well. Get espresso at Spot, Aroma, or that cafe at Delaware and Elmwood and you get a cup of burnt, bitter coffee. Their espresso tastes like... get ready for it... like espresso!
(e:jim) also likes them because they have free wifi, like everyone else, but the giant table they have in there is just the right height to work on a laptop without being uncomfortable.
Super Awesome.
I have had their egg sandwich twice now. The thing is huge, has giant slices of tomato and served on a home made English muffin. Their other food looks good, but that sandwich keeps me coming back.
I have had two different kinds of espresso there as well. Get espresso at Spot, Aroma, or that cafe at Delaware and Elmwood and you get a cup of burnt, bitter coffee. Their espresso tastes like... get ready for it... like espresso!
(e:jim) also likes them because they have free wifi, like everyone else, but the giant table they have in there is just the right height to work on a laptop without being uncomfortable.
Super Awesome.
joshua - 06/08/09 09:12
I tend to agree (e:james) and I think that was one of the lessons I learned as well.
(e:z) - man their menu it nice. Too bad I didn't have Jay's camera on me - I would have taken a picture of the turkish coffee setup. (Ordering it to go is cheating yourself, if you ask me). I really like the cafe... they do a Vietnamese coffee which I think is pretty good, as well as a few other things. The one thing that seems to be a popular food order are their Belgian waffles, which I have to admit look really good. I think I'm going to go down there and treat myself to that sometime soon.
I tend to agree (e:james) and I think that was one of the lessons I learned as well.
(e:z) - man their menu it nice. Too bad I didn't have Jay's camera on me - I would have taken a picture of the turkish coffee setup. (Ordering it to go is cheating yourself, if you ask me). I really like the cafe... they do a Vietnamese coffee which I think is pretty good, as well as a few other things. The one thing that seems to be a popular food order are their Belgian waffles, which I have to admit look really good. I think I'm going to go down there and treat myself to that sometime soon.
zobar - 06/08/09 08:51
I didn't know you could get Turkish to go ...
I didn't know you could get Turkish in Buffalo ...
This changes everything.
- Z
I didn't know you could get Turkish to go ...
I didn't know you could get Turkish in Buffalo ...
This changes everything.
- Z
james - 06/08/09 08:05
Their Turkish coffee is worth it no matter what they charge you.
Their Turkish coffee is worth it no matter what they charge you.
06/05/2009 11:42 #48841
Co-op OwnershipAgain, I've been thinking about taking the plunge and becoming a member-owner at the Lexington Co-op. I've debated this for as long as I've shopped there, which started about 8 years ago at the old location on Lexington.
I miss that old, tiny, funky store some days. I've almost forgotten what the corner of Elmwood and Lancaster used to looked like prior to the new construction. In the end though, I think the move was great not just for the Co-op but for the neighborhood as a whole. That was a corner that was effectively dead, and if you look at it now people would probably not believe it.
I have some reservations about what exactly it is I'm getting for my $80. The purpose of the money is obvious - it is a direct contribution to the operating budget, amongst other things. The Co-op used to give a flat 2% discount at the register, which they did away with January 1 in lieu of a new program of dividends and member specific discounts. The dividends are given in "profitable years." By their own admission the Co-op has been profitable only about 25% of the time - I'm not confident at all the business is being run profitably because it's easily illustrated that it hasn't been. Maybe the new store will help that over time, but what's the point in trumpeting a dividend program when it's an open question whether or not the business is actually being run like a business?
They give member-only discounts on around 25 basics, including milk and eggs. Ok, fair enough. On their website they characterize it as "every day low prices" on these items - why not give us specifics on that?
I have a problem with substituting a direct, clearly understood benefit for a nebulous benefit. They sell it as being a great program but I'm not a sucker - business plans illustrated as if they were drawn on a paper napkin are not impressive to me.
I feel like I've just looked at a diagram of quack ecoscience applied to a business model. In the end, I think the major thing the Co-op is relying upon is a sense of altruism from the people who become member-owners. A commitment to the community, so to speak. Sorry, but that's not good enough for me. Is shopping at Wegman's any less of a commitment to the community, based on how they run their business? I or anybody else could take that $80 and put it towards a CSA and achieve the same sense of self-righteousness, but actually see a tangible, realistic benefit. With the 2% dividend, you knew that if you spent a certain amount of money at the store that your initial investment in the store would be recouped. There is no such guarantee with the new plan, and they characterize it as an improvement. As they say in England, do me a favor...
Anybody have experience being a member-owner and care to share for me how you felt about it?
I miss that old, tiny, funky store some days. I've almost forgotten what the corner of Elmwood and Lancaster used to looked like prior to the new construction. In the end though, I think the move was great not just for the Co-op but for the neighborhood as a whole. That was a corner that was effectively dead, and if you look at it now people would probably not believe it.
I have some reservations about what exactly it is I'm getting for my $80. The purpose of the money is obvious - it is a direct contribution to the operating budget, amongst other things. The Co-op used to give a flat 2% discount at the register, which they did away with January 1 in lieu of a new program of dividends and member specific discounts. The dividends are given in "profitable years." By their own admission the Co-op has been profitable only about 25% of the time - I'm not confident at all the business is being run profitably because it's easily illustrated that it hasn't been. Maybe the new store will help that over time, but what's the point in trumpeting a dividend program when it's an open question whether or not the business is actually being run like a business?
They give member-only discounts on around 25 basics, including milk and eggs. Ok, fair enough. On their website they characterize it as "every day low prices" on these items - why not give us specifics on that?
I have a problem with substituting a direct, clearly understood benefit for a nebulous benefit. They sell it as being a great program but I'm not a sucker - business plans illustrated as if they were drawn on a paper napkin are not impressive to me.
I feel like I've just looked at a diagram of quack ecoscience applied to a business model. In the end, I think the major thing the Co-op is relying upon is a sense of altruism from the people who become member-owners. A commitment to the community, so to speak. Sorry, but that's not good enough for me. Is shopping at Wegman's any less of a commitment to the community, based on how they run their business? I or anybody else could take that $80 and put it towards a CSA and achieve the same sense of self-righteousness, but actually see a tangible, realistic benefit. With the 2% dividend, you knew that if you spent a certain amount of money at the store that your initial investment in the store would be recouped. There is no such guarantee with the new plan, and they characterize it as an improvement. As they say in England, do me a favor...
Anybody have experience being a member-owner and care to share for me how you felt about it?
ajay - 06/08/09 02:41
I used to be a member. But I joined more to support the CoOp than for the discount. I mean, as a single guy, 2% just doesn't compute.
When I moved to SF, I wrote them an email asking about the refund. They promptly emailed me a form that I printed, signed and sent back. Presto: got my check quickly.
Plus, when you join you get (or used to get...) a fancy cloth bag for carrying your groceries (and impressing the chicks).
I used to be a member. But I joined more to support the CoOp than for the discount. I mean, as a single guy, 2% just doesn't compute.
When I moved to SF, I wrote them an email asking about the refund. They promptly emailed me a form that I printed, signed and sent back. Presto: got my check quickly.
Plus, when you join you get (or used to get...) a fancy cloth bag for carrying your groceries (and impressing the chicks).
joshua - 06/08/09 00:16
Hi Tim!
One of the questions I had about membership was actually answered in the pamphlet I picked up at the Co-op today - it was regarding the discount for the every day stuff. I stash your raisins and bananas in my office to snack on during the day, so when I stopped by tonight I grabbed a pamphlet; lo and behold there the info was.
Maybe I was a tad harsh about the drawing - I'm sorry about that! It is a decent illustration of exactly how the cash flow works for the dividend. I think it is fair to say that it would be out of character to post something more formal on the web site instead.
I'm your neighbor, not even a block the street down Elmwood. I am a regular in the store and have been for about 8 years or so. I love a guy that has 76 reasons to become an owner - I'm stupified that you'd say hello here, so thanks for doing so! I really appreciate that you'd take the time to come here and respond. I also notice that you take the time to kindly respond to suggestions entered by people on the yellow slips - I always read them when I'm in the store.
One of the cashiers in the store made another good point to me today regarding some of the bulk purchases. Because I'm so close I'm in there 4 to 5 days a week; by all rights I really should be a member-owner but I've never really perceived the value in doing it. The reasons you've put out there are all important and have value to me, and in the end $80 is a small investment in a store that I have to admit is important to me. You're a damn good salesman, sir.
Hi Tim!
One of the questions I had about membership was actually answered in the pamphlet I picked up at the Co-op today - it was regarding the discount for the every day stuff. I stash your raisins and bananas in my office to snack on during the day, so when I stopped by tonight I grabbed a pamphlet; lo and behold there the info was.
Maybe I was a tad harsh about the drawing - I'm sorry about that! It is a decent illustration of exactly how the cash flow works for the dividend. I think it is fair to say that it would be out of character to post something more formal on the web site instead.
I'm your neighbor, not even a block the street down Elmwood. I am a regular in the store and have been for about 8 years or so. I love a guy that has 76 reasons to become an owner - I'm stupified that you'd say hello here, so thanks for doing so! I really appreciate that you'd take the time to come here and respond. I also notice that you take the time to kindly respond to suggestions entered by people on the yellow slips - I always read them when I'm in the store.
One of the cashiers in the store made another good point to me today regarding some of the bulk purchases. Because I'm so close I'm in there 4 to 5 days a week; by all rights I really should be a member-owner but I've never really perceived the value in doing it. The reasons you've put out there are all important and have value to me, and in the end $80 is a small investment in a store that I have to admit is important to me. You're a damn good salesman, sir.
lexcoop - 06/07/09 20:27
Hi Joshua. My name is Tim Bartlett and I am the General Manager of the Lexington Co-operative Market. I’m so sad you don’t like my drawing!! Sometimes here at the Co-op we take ourselves too seriously, sometimes not seriously enough â€" I guess that drawing may fall into the latter category.
Thanks so much for writing about the Co-op! I really liked your points and it is helpful to hear what people think of us.
Here’s quick lowdown on co-op ownership... The Co-op is owned by over 5,000 people from Western New York. The only reason the Co-op exists is to meet the needs of these owners and customers. It is a one time, $80 investment to buy a share in the Co-op. The Co-op uses that $80 to capitalize the business; buy new equipment, expand services to customers, and leverage loans from external lenders. The $80 is not used for operational purposes like paying staff or buying food. The Co-op has been profitable in two out of the past three years. We ended the discount program because it was essentially sharing profits with our owners before we made them â€" not a good business practice by any measure.
For me, there are 76 good reasons to become an owner, but here are my four favorites…
1. You get great benefits. I know the 2% was more predictable, but predictable often means boring. Right now, there are over 200 owner only specials in the store, in addition to the 25 bulk products in our everyday basics program. And most of the feedback we’ve heard has been overwhelmingly positive.
2. You get to help the Co-op make decisions. Each owner gets one vote in the Board of Directors elections, and if you really want to get involved, you can run for the board. We also try to engage the owners on any big decision we are considering.
3. You like the impact it has on the community. It gets me excited to work for a business that returns 53¢ of every dollar to the local economy. Are we perfect? Not even close!! But if you like the impact the Co-op has on the local economy, the environment, or the Elmwood strip, then you might want to invest and engage in the process of making it better.
4. The $80 is fully refundable. If you ever decide that the specials, the voting, or the impact just aren’t all that exciting to you, just fill out a form and we’ll buy back your share.
If you want to learn more about Co-ops, I recommend www.ncba.coop.
Ultimately, we don’t want you to feel guilty about not being an owner, and we definitely don’t want you feeling self righteous if you are. At its best, the Co-op is an example of what people can create when they come together to do as a group what they can’t do as individuals. If you think it’s right for you, then we’d love to have you.
Thanks for listening.
Tim
Tim Bartlett
General Manager
Lexington Cooperative Market
807 Elmwood Ave
Buffalo, NY 14222
716.886.1036
tim@lexington.coop
Hi Joshua. My name is Tim Bartlett and I am the General Manager of the Lexington Co-operative Market. I’m so sad you don’t like my drawing!! Sometimes here at the Co-op we take ourselves too seriously, sometimes not seriously enough â€" I guess that drawing may fall into the latter category.
Thanks so much for writing about the Co-op! I really liked your points and it is helpful to hear what people think of us.
Here’s quick lowdown on co-op ownership... The Co-op is owned by over 5,000 people from Western New York. The only reason the Co-op exists is to meet the needs of these owners and customers. It is a one time, $80 investment to buy a share in the Co-op. The Co-op uses that $80 to capitalize the business; buy new equipment, expand services to customers, and leverage loans from external lenders. The $80 is not used for operational purposes like paying staff or buying food. The Co-op has been profitable in two out of the past three years. We ended the discount program because it was essentially sharing profits with our owners before we made them â€" not a good business practice by any measure.
For me, there are 76 good reasons to become an owner, but here are my four favorites…
1. You get great benefits. I know the 2% was more predictable, but predictable often means boring. Right now, there are over 200 owner only specials in the store, in addition to the 25 bulk products in our everyday basics program. And most of the feedback we’ve heard has been overwhelmingly positive.
2. You get to help the Co-op make decisions. Each owner gets one vote in the Board of Directors elections, and if you really want to get involved, you can run for the board. We also try to engage the owners on any big decision we are considering.
3. You like the impact it has on the community. It gets me excited to work for a business that returns 53¢ of every dollar to the local economy. Are we perfect? Not even close!! But if you like the impact the Co-op has on the local economy, the environment, or the Elmwood strip, then you might want to invest and engage in the process of making it better.
4. The $80 is fully refundable. If you ever decide that the specials, the voting, or the impact just aren’t all that exciting to you, just fill out a form and we’ll buy back your share.
If you want to learn more about Co-ops, I recommend www.ncba.coop.
Ultimately, we don’t want you to feel guilty about not being an owner, and we definitely don’t want you feeling self righteous if you are. At its best, the Co-op is an example of what people can create when they come together to do as a group what they can’t do as individuals. If you think it’s right for you, then we’d love to have you.
Thanks for listening.
Tim
Tim Bartlett
General Manager
Lexington Cooperative Market
807 Elmwood Ave
Buffalo, NY 14222
716.886.1036
tim@lexington.coop
paul - 06/05/09 12:05
We are member owners from back at the old location. It made way more sense then. It was 2% discount flat and up to 19% discount if you worked so many hours per month (the hours which we could split between us) doing stuff like loading boxes, cutting cheese (no pun intended) etc. We also lived next store to the old building on Lexington and bought like 50% of our food there so it made sense at the time.
If you are really into it, you could probably get on the board and make a difference somehow. Frankly, as a long term member owner who shops there a lot, I would rather see the money re-invested or have prices lowered for members than to get any sort of kick-back.
We are member owners from back at the old location. It made way more sense then. It was 2% discount flat and up to 19% discount if you worked so many hours per month (the hours which we could split between us) doing stuff like loading boxes, cutting cheese (no pun intended) etc. We also lived next store to the old building on Lexington and bought like 50% of our food there so it made sense at the time.
If you are really into it, you could probably get on the board and make a difference somehow. Frankly, as a long term member owner who shops there a lot, I would rather see the money re-invested or have prices lowered for members than to get any sort of kick-back.
06/03/2009 19:52 #48833
Carmen's KitchenFor (e:heidi) and anyone else that is curious -
The place is on the corner of Auburn and West, deep on the west side. This is what you're looking for:
This is facing the West St. side. West is a southbound one way street - you can take Lafayette and go down that way to Auburn, or do what I did, which was to take Auburn and drive the wrong way 20 ft (purely accidental, I assure you) and park in the first available spot near the corner.
This is how it works - basically, when you walk in you'll have some steel grate between you and the cashier, on the right. You pick up your food, and the food is then slotted through a locked Plexiglas window to you. I could see some white bread types being intimidated by this process - if that is you, order delivery because the west side will probably freak you out to begin with. What you'll miss, however, is some really friendly people. The guy in there was great and I'll be back in person many times.
The food: we ordered a lot because we wanted to give people a reasonable sample of the menu. We ordered two entrees and two sides, which quickly grew to include two desserts. I never order desserts when I eat outside of home, but I had to try the flan. They insisted I try the bread pudding as well and hooked me up with that.
For starters, the rolled tacos with salsa, guacamole and sour cream ($2.25).
Hot, crispy, awesome. These are stuffed with beef - they had beef and pizza to choose from... we had the beef. The salsa and guac - oh my god, fantastic. I have to say, this is a nice little side.
Next - a beef pastelillo ($1.75).
Typical - these are on hand and warm when you arrive. It is what it is - quick and cheap fried pocket filled with beef. Not bad, not spectacular.
Next - my entree. Pernil (roast pork) with red beans and rice and fried plantains ($7.95).
I love roast pork - this was succulent without being fatty, had the qualities of roast pork that I enjoy (different textures that ultimately affect the flavor). The plantains came with a dipping sauce which I can't describe perfectly, other than to say it is very much like a remoulade. I love beans like this - as it should be, swimming in the sauce with onions, spices, etc.
Jay's meal - pollo asado (roast chicken) with the same sides I had ($7.95).
A quarter of roast chicken with red beans and rice and fried plantains. Jason struggles with sauces and dressings so he ate the plantains as they were. He loved everything else - in my opinion (and perhaps Jason agrees with me) roasting is the second most perfect method of cooking, behind barbecue.
Desserts - I got talked into it, but I haven't had flan since I was in DR ($2.15).
The custard was as it should be - perfect texture. Loved the flavor. My only nitpick was that I wish the caramel sauce was a little thicker and richer.
And finally - the bread pudding ($1.75).
I might like this better than the flan - definite deeper caramel flavor, with a little denser texture. Caramel and raisin goodness - a nice surprise. Thanks Carmen's!
For me, definitely worth a second visit. They have other items on the menu that are traditional and interesting, including sandwiches (roast pork sandwich!), stews, a couple things I haven't heard of before. The Mexican side of the menu will be familiar to many - I wanted to concentrate more on the Puerto Rican side of things. What I'm most curious about on the Mexican side are the tacos and the burritos.
The place is on the corner of Auburn and West, deep on the west side. This is what you're looking for:
This is facing the West St. side. West is a southbound one way street - you can take Lafayette and go down that way to Auburn, or do what I did, which was to take Auburn and drive the wrong way 20 ft (purely accidental, I assure you) and park in the first available spot near the corner.
This is how it works - basically, when you walk in you'll have some steel grate between you and the cashier, on the right. You pick up your food, and the food is then slotted through a locked Plexiglas window to you. I could see some white bread types being intimidated by this process - if that is you, order delivery because the west side will probably freak you out to begin with. What you'll miss, however, is some really friendly people. The guy in there was great and I'll be back in person many times.
The food: we ordered a lot because we wanted to give people a reasonable sample of the menu. We ordered two entrees and two sides, which quickly grew to include two desserts. I never order desserts when I eat outside of home, but I had to try the flan. They insisted I try the bread pudding as well and hooked me up with that.
For starters, the rolled tacos with salsa, guacamole and sour cream ($2.25).
Hot, crispy, awesome. These are stuffed with beef - they had beef and pizza to choose from... we had the beef. The salsa and guac - oh my god, fantastic. I have to say, this is a nice little side.
Next - a beef pastelillo ($1.75).
Typical - these are on hand and warm when you arrive. It is what it is - quick and cheap fried pocket filled with beef. Not bad, not spectacular.
Next - my entree. Pernil (roast pork) with red beans and rice and fried plantains ($7.95).
I love roast pork - this was succulent without being fatty, had the qualities of roast pork that I enjoy (different textures that ultimately affect the flavor). The plantains came with a dipping sauce which I can't describe perfectly, other than to say it is very much like a remoulade. I love beans like this - as it should be, swimming in the sauce with onions, spices, etc.
Jay's meal - pollo asado (roast chicken) with the same sides I had ($7.95).
A quarter of roast chicken with red beans and rice and fried plantains. Jason struggles with sauces and dressings so he ate the plantains as they were. He loved everything else - in my opinion (and perhaps Jason agrees with me) roasting is the second most perfect method of cooking, behind barbecue.
Desserts - I got talked into it, but I haven't had flan since I was in DR ($2.15).
The custard was as it should be - perfect texture. Loved the flavor. My only nitpick was that I wish the caramel sauce was a little thicker and richer.
And finally - the bread pudding ($1.75).
I might like this better than the flan - definite deeper caramel flavor, with a little denser texture. Caramel and raisin goodness - a nice surprise. Thanks Carmen's!
For me, definitely worth a second visit. They have other items on the menu that are traditional and interesting, including sandwiches (roast pork sandwich!), stews, a couple things I haven't heard of before. The Mexican side of the menu will be familiar to many - I wanted to concentrate more on the Puerto Rican side of things. What I'm most curious about on the Mexican side are the tacos and the burritos.
ladycroft - 06/04/09 06:15
We order from there for International Fest (at Canisius) every year!
We order from there for International Fest (at Canisius) every year!
joshua - 06/03/09 23:42
I'll be curious to hear your opinions, guys.
I'll be curious to hear your opinions, guys.
joshua - 06/03/09 23:41
I liked it - a former co-worker of mine is Puerto Rican and for her the roast pork was major comfort food, grandma-style, so I had to try it.
I just pinched a piece of leftovers that has been in the fridge for 4 hours or so - still pretty tender. This pork was much better than the roast rack of lamb I had at Lario's in Miami, which was a lot more expensive. I'll be curious to see what you think of it - I hope you enjoy it too. My only possible point of criticism is that for some it may be the slightest shade too salty, but personally it wasn't much of a surprise.
By the way I didn't notice any oil issues with the food, really - the fried plantains weren't overly greasy. (Obvious issue with the pastelillo). Loved the tacos w/the salsa - guac is extra but good.
I liked it - a former co-worker of mine is Puerto Rican and for her the roast pork was major comfort food, grandma-style, so I had to try it.
I just pinched a piece of leftovers that has been in the fridge for 4 hours or so - still pretty tender. This pork was much better than the roast rack of lamb I had at Lario's in Miami, which was a lot more expensive. I'll be curious to see what you think of it - I hope you enjoy it too. My only possible point of criticism is that for some it may be the slightest shade too salty, but personally it wasn't much of a surprise.
By the way I didn't notice any oil issues with the food, really - the fried plantains weren't overly greasy. (Obvious issue with the pastelillo). Loved the tacos w/the salsa - guac is extra but good.
jbeatty - 06/03/09 22:28
I have passed this and wondered how it was. I can't wait to try it.
I have passed this and wondered how it was. I can't wait to try it.
james - 06/03/09 21:45
Good to know the pork was good. From what little i know of Puerto Rican food, it is all about the pork. And if, by god, you say that pork was good then I am going.
Good to know the pork was good. From what little i know of Puerto Rican food, it is all about the pork. And if, by god, you say that pork was good then I am going.
I'm a bit picky about my coffee as well. I grind it and use a french press. It irritates the husband, because he'll drink anything labeled coffee and claims it all tastes the same.
I will definitely have to try freshly roasted coffee. I'll look into the place where you buy it.
You certainly seem passionate enough about coffee...and that's the good foundation for any home business!
I don't know anyone as nuts about freshly roasted beans as you, but I remember getting the Bella Donavan and freaking out. It was like I never had coffee before.