Dogmatism and faith are not identical! Dogmatism is like stone. Faith is like soil.
Dogmatism refuses to admit doubt. Faith often struggles with doubt.
Dogmatism is brittle . . . cracks under pressure. Faith is resilient, malleable, teachable.
Dogmatism is a closed system. Faith is open to reason.
Dogmatism fills one with pride. Faith inspires awe and reverence.
Dogmatism generates bigotry. Faith stimulates understanding
This is what I would call the old perspective--rational dogmatism is really foriegn to the Bible. Contrast this with the new perspecitve, the one that is in the majority today, but will more than likely go away within a generation or two.
First of all, I have a confession to make. I post on crosswalk.com's forums. This is a forum made up of mostly right-wing Christians. It is entertaining to read the arguments over relatively pointless things, and the conservative take on politics and current events. It reminds me of the world in which I grew up. It also reminds me of this new perspective that I speak of, which is currently dominant. I offer my last experience with crosswalk as a contrast to the humble, generous, trusting and life-giving faith illustrated in the first quote and discovered in scripture.
So, in a recent discussion on crosswalk, the opening post said that many republicans are unsatisfied with the recent crop of candidates because they are not pro-life.
Someone quickly pointed out that Mike Huckabee was pro-life.
Being the trouble maker that I am, I pointed out Mike Hucakabee's position on the Iraq war, and suggested that, while he may be "pro-american-life," he is definitely not "pro-life."
This bothered the other person who replied, "more like pro-innocent life."
Now, internet discussion boards are made for snarkyness right? So I ask.
"Are the Iraqis that we have killed guilty? What are they guilty of?"
Apparently the other person did not have a good answer to this question, because I got a quick response from the moderator asking me to stay on topic.
Now, I must admit that my common sense told me to leave well enough alone, but I just wasn't in the mood for that, so I carefully worded a post about what I believed "pro-life" to mean. I did not mention the war, only that "pro-life" ought to include life before and after birth, in our country and outside of it.
Well, that got me banned. The board called me out publicly and asked me to email the administrator. So I did. This is what I got in reply.
Thank you for taking the time to request a review of your status with our Community.
I have reviewed the post and have concluded that the moderator took the appropriate action. Your post ignored the instruction. Before progressing further, I would like to ask you a few questions.
1. What have you learned during your absence from our Community, and how do you hope to apply it in any future participation?
2. Do you agree to refrain from participating in any thread having to do with the topic of abortion?
3. Do you agree to immediately comply with Moderator instructions?
4. Have you reviewed our Terms of Service, and do you promise to conduct yourself in our Community in a manner that conforms to the rules of conduct as outlined therein? (http://l.salemweb.net/CommunityTermsofService)
5. Specifically, do you agree to #19 of the Terms of Service?
Thank you for taking the time to respond to these questions. Your responses will assist me in reviewing your status and determining your future participation in our Community.
To clarify, this email does not guarantee your return to the Community. However, we are hopeful of a positive resolution and complete restoration.
Sincerely,
Fritz
Manager of Communities
Salem Web Network
Isn't question 1 funny? So I am in full-on snarky mode now (I know, not the most Christian of attitudes, but then again maybe it is--Jesus was snarky with Pharisees, and these guys definitely fit in that category), but I will confess that I wasn't being as kind as I could to Fritz when I replied, as follows:
1. What have you learned during your absence from our Community, and how do you hope to apply it in any future participation?
I have been gone for maybe one day. What did you expect me to learn? I have been reading "The Church on the other side," and that has taught me many things, but I don't think any are applicable to this situation.
2. Do you agree to refrain from participating in any thread having to do with the topic of abortion?
No. I suppose this means I won't be re-instated, but I also suspect that you can sympathize with my decision. How can I remain silent about such an important topic?
3. Do you agree to immediately comply with Moderator instructions?
It depends on the instructions, but if they are reasonable and in accordance with the TOS, I will.
4. Have you reviewed our Terms of Service, and do you promise to conduct yourself in our Community in a manner that conforms to the rules of conduct as outlined therein? (http://l.salemweb.net/CommunityTermsofService)
Yes.
5. Specifically, do you agree to #19 of the Terms of Service? (Included below for your review)
Yes.
As I guessed, they did not re-instate my account. After I dried my tears, I decided to ask "Would you please do me the courtesy of outlining how my second post was in violation?"
And this was the reply:
Hello there!
Thank you for taking the time to write us with your question.
Unfortunately, I'm not going to discuss this with you further.
Please do not email me further until you are willing to agree to the restriction.
Sincerely,
Fritz
Manager of Communities
Salem Web Network
Do you see the difference? The world today is filled with stories of people who were turned off by attitudes like that of Firtz. Salem communications is a for profit company, exercising control, and refusing discussion. They literally questioned me as if I was a child, and while it is their right to do so, it makes me sad because this is the way that so many who call themselves Christians behave.
But this attitude does not come from faith. It comes from dogmatism.
And the Apostle Paul said that when everything else goes away, faith, hope and love will remain. This is a good thing. Thanks for being patient with this long rant.
Ok, in responding to this, my first retort was "jesus!" then I thought 'hmm, blasphemy. try again." My next was "holy crap!" Hmm. also blasphemous.
So in any case...
Glad you stuck up for yourself.
Having had some recent nasty forum experiences myself, I can sympathize. At least these guys had the decency to tell you what you had done "wrong" and what you could do to fix it (unlike my situation)-
But that's about the only nice thing I can say.
Isn't it a public forum?
So you can say whatever you want... as long as it's not about abortion... and in compliance with article 19 section c... and not written on tues between 10 and 3... and only typed in a certain font... but other than that, we welcome you with open arms, brother, and value your opinion...
Bogus.
To me it looks like you where not offensive at all they just didn't like you ideas, so they kicked you out. I can understand that they want people to stay on topic. If you don't than forums can really get out of control really fast. But your using one topic to show how his Language or terms could be off sounds fine to me. I wonder if the moderator decided to censor you or if the person who didn't like your opinion rated you out. In any event I'm sure your not the 1st person they have censored like that, and maybe if they do censor people it is a place you are better off not being a part of.
Real nice. I have to say, I got a giggle when I read "Salem web network"...it's like a virtual witch hunt. Glad you stood your ground.