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10/05/2007 20:50 #41512

A tale of two perspectives.
Category: religion
Here's a great quote on where I see my faith moving in the coming years. It was written by, of all people, a Chaplain to the Senate, Richard Havelerson. He said:

Dogmatism and faith are not identical! Dogmatism is like stone. Faith is like soil.

Dogmatism refuses to admit doubt. Faith often struggles with doubt.

Dogmatism is brittle . . . cracks under pressure. Faith is resilient, malleable, teachable.

Dogmatism is a closed system. Faith is open to reason.

Dogmatism fills one with pride. Faith inspires awe and reverence.

Dogmatism generates bigotry. Faith stimulates understanding



This is what I would call the old perspective--rational dogmatism is really foriegn to the Bible. Contrast this with the new perspecitve, the one that is in the majority today, but will more than likely go away within a generation or two.

First of all, I have a confession to make. I post on crosswalk.com's forums. This is a forum made up of mostly right-wing Christians. It is entertaining to read the arguments over relatively pointless things, and the conservative take on politics and current events. It reminds me of the world in which I grew up. It also reminds me of this new perspective that I speak of, which is currently dominant. I offer my last experience with crosswalk as a contrast to the humble, generous, trusting and life-giving faith illustrated in the first quote and discovered in scripture.

So, in a recent discussion on crosswalk, the opening post said that many republicans are unsatisfied with the recent crop of candidates because they are not pro-life.

Someone quickly pointed out that Mike Huckabee was pro-life.

Being the trouble maker that I am, I pointed out Mike Hucakabee's position on the Iraq war, and suggested that, while he may be "pro-american-life," he is definitely not "pro-life."

This bothered the other person who replied, "more like pro-innocent life."

Now, internet discussion boards are made for snarkyness right? So I ask.

"Are the Iraqis that we have killed guilty? What are they guilty of?"

Apparently the other person did not have a good answer to this question, because I got a quick response from the moderator asking me to stay on topic.

Now, I must admit that my common sense told me to leave well enough alone, but I just wasn't in the mood for that, so I carefully worded a post about what I believed "pro-life" to mean. I did not mention the war, only that "pro-life" ought to include life before and after birth, in our country and outside of it.

Well, that got me banned. The board called me out publicly and asked me to email the administrator. So I did. This is what I got in reply.

Thank you for taking the time to request a review of your status with our Community.

I have reviewed the post and have concluded that the moderator took the appropriate action. Your post ignored the instruction. Before progressing further, I would like to ask you a few questions.

1. What have you learned during your absence from our Community, and how do you hope to apply it in any future participation?

2. Do you agree to refrain from participating in any thread having to do with the topic of abortion?

3. Do you agree to immediately comply with Moderator instructions?

4. Have you reviewed our Terms of Service, and do you promise to conduct yourself in our Community in a manner that conforms to the rules of conduct as outlined therein? (http://l.salemweb.net/CommunityTermsofService)

5. Specifically, do you agree to #19 of the Terms of Service?

Thank you for taking the time to respond to these questions. Your responses will assist me in reviewing your status and determining your future participation in our Community.

To clarify, this email does not guarantee your return to the Community. However, we are hopeful of a positive resolution and complete restoration.

Sincerely,

Fritz
Manager of Communities
Salem Web Network



Isn't question 1 funny? So I am in full-on snarky mode now (I know, not the most Christian of attitudes, but then again maybe it is--Jesus was snarky with Pharisees, and these guys definitely fit in that category), but I will confess that I wasn't being as kind as I could to Fritz when I replied, as follows:


1. What have you learned during your absence from our Community, and how do you hope to apply it in any future participation?

I have been gone for maybe one day. What did you expect me to learn? I have been reading "The Church on the other side," and that has taught me many things, but I don't think any are applicable to this situation.

2. Do you agree to refrain from participating in any thread having to do with the topic of abortion?

No. I suppose this means I won't be re-instated, but I also suspect that you can sympathize with my decision. How can I remain silent about such an important topic?

3. Do you agree to immediately comply with Moderator instructions?

It depends on the instructions, but if they are reasonable and in accordance with the TOS, I will.

4. Have you reviewed our Terms of Service, and do you promise to conduct yourself in our Community in a manner that conforms to the rules of conduct as outlined therein? (http://l.salemweb.net/CommunityTermsofService)

Yes.

5. Specifically, do you agree to #19 of the Terms of Service? (Included below for your review)

Yes.



As I guessed, they did not re-instate my account. After I dried my tears, I decided to ask "Would you please do me the courtesy of outlining how my second post was in violation?"

And this was the reply:


Hello there!

Thank you for taking the time to write us with your question.

Unfortunately, I'm not going to discuss this with you further.

Please do not email me further until you are willing to agree to the restriction.

Sincerely,

Fritz
Manager of Communities
Salem Web Network




Do you see the difference? The world today is filled with stories of people who were turned off by attitudes like that of Firtz. Salem communications is a for profit company, exercising control, and refusing discussion. They literally questioned me as if I was a child, and while it is their right to do so, it makes me sad because this is the way that so many who call themselves Christians behave.

But this attitude does not come from faith. It comes from dogmatism.

And the Apostle Paul said that when everything else goes away, faith, hope and love will remain. This is a good thing. Thanks for being patient with this long rant.
jenks - 10/07/07 17:39
Ok, in responding to this, my first retort was "jesus!" then I thought 'hmm, blasphemy. try again." My next was "holy crap!" Hmm. also blasphemous.

So in any case...
Glad you stuck up for yourself.
Having had some recent nasty forum experiences myself, I can sympathize. At least these guys had the decency to tell you what you had done "wrong" and what you could do to fix it (unlike my situation)-
But that's about the only nice thing I can say.
Isn't it a public forum?
So you can say whatever you want... as long as it's not about abortion... and in compliance with article 19 section c... and not written on tues between 10 and 3... and only typed in a certain font... but other than that, we welcome you with open arms, brother, and value your opinion...

Bogus.
metalpeter - 10/06/07 13:34
To me it looks like you where not offensive at all they just didn't like you ideas, so they kicked you out. I can understand that they want people to stay on topic. If you don't than forums can really get out of control really fast. But your using one topic to show how his Language or terms could be off sounds fine to me. I wonder if the moderator decided to censor you or if the person who didn't like your opinion rated you out. In any event I'm sure your not the 1st person they have censored like that, and maybe if they do censor people it is a place you are better off not being a part of.
ladycroft - 10/06/07 07:48
Real nice. I have to say, I got a giggle when I read "Salem web network"...it's like a virtual witch hunt. Glad you stood your ground.

09/28/2007 11:11 #41377

10 Things I like about estrip
Category: 10 things
1. I can see who's online.

2. People aren't really shy here.

3. It's an online community that also has a real community.

4. It's just about the right size (although more (e:peeps) would be nice).

5. It's mostly personsonal, but also cultural and political and other -als.

6. There's almost always something new.

7. Easy help is available, simply by asking.

8. The statistics. Its fun to count things, even if they don't matter (that Count von Count certainly influenced me as a child, didn't he)

9. When it tells me not to forget my umbrella.

10. When a picture or sound surprises me in the chatter.
fellyconnelly - 09/29/07 07:53
12. the people here are fun to play with.
tinypliny - 09/28/07 20:58
11. It has a clean and efficient web design, loads fast and has no dragging slow elements.

10/04/2007 23:11 #41502

Things I am going to do on my day off
Category: life
Not that you care, but I feel like posting and don't really have any interesting thoughts right now.

1. Vacuum (just one room)

2. Clean a toilet and a sink

3. Laundry

4. Work (I know it's a day off, but somebody can only meet on Friday)

5. Fax our old insurance agent (is it getting interesting yet?)

6. Water our newly planted lawn (you can take the boy out of the suburbs . . .)

7. Read.


Wow. I am boring. Well, things should get more interesting in the evening. We are hosting a guy named Doug Tilton at my house, and he is speaking at my church on Saturday morning (10am, with a free continental breakfast, for any that may be interested!). He has been working in South Africa since 1992, and seems to be dong good stuff. Here's a link to his bio

Now you know why I am cleaning. Guests.
museumchick - 10/05/07 10:05
I'm glad I read this. I totally forgot that I needed to vacuum today!
drew - 10/05/07 09:39
saved by the internet!
janelle - 10/05/07 08:12
No! You're going to clean the bathroom sink and floor...geesh...

10/02/2007 14:48 #41455

10 Things I like about TMBG
Category: 10 things
TMBG = They Might Be Giants, a great band, for those uninformed.

1. The live shows. I've never been in a happier place.

2. They are Geeky. So geeky.

3. They are pop, but not lame.

4. Multiple instruments are utilized, and even the weird ones fit perfectly.

5. Dial-a-Drum solo.

6. Dial-a-song.

7. Unconventional song topics, that aren't unconventional to them.

8. The ability to write a catchy song in nearly any style and still be able to transcend said style.

9. Tight harmony.

10. Songs that I can sing a long with.


The list was so easy. There are probably 100 things I like about They Might be Giants, and after that, I could just list songs, 'cause I like each of them, too. Videos and Children's books should be the list, but I just went with the first 10 I thought of.
james - 10/02/07 18:45
One of my favorite things about them is that they perfectly captured that paranoid anxiety lurking in the back of my mind. Songs like "Become a Robot", "Turn Around", or "Spiraling Shape" still make me shiver and want to hide under the covers.
jim - 10/02/07 18:13
Reminds me of:

:::link:::

Just a story a read the other day.
museumchick - 10/02/07 17:19
TMBG is one of my fav groups as well. Do you ever listen to their podcast? It's pretty neat.
jenks - 10/02/07 16:49
in college, one of the a cappella groups ended every single show- it was always really fun. God, I haven't listened to them in years. Might be time to bust out Particle Man.

09/27/2007 08:36 #41350

I am a one-issue voter . . .
Category: politics
. . . much to my surprise. I also never thought I would be in agreement with so many celebrities, but they are right on this one:



Some people are tired of Bono preaching, but he's a really good preacher!
james - 09/27/07 10:31
slightly less fizzy than "Rock the Vote"