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03/10/2012 14:36 #56198

Not Becoming Italian - At least not Jure Sanguinis
Category: citizenship
I decided to spend a little non-programming time addressing the issue of me becoming an official Italian. I thought I qualify for it, sadly I now don't think (e:Milke) and I qualified anymore. It seems like the process is pretty well listed out on a couple of websites italiancitizenship.info and myitaliancitizenship.com and italiandualcitizenship.com and progenealogists.com

Most of them offer services to get the documents and get them translated.

If you are an american and had italian parents, grandparent or even great grandparents you may qualify. I don't unfortunately because all of my ancestors effectively renounced their right to citizenship when their parents were naturalized and they were under 18. Seems unfair as a child cannot really make such decisions, but that's how the dice roll. If only my mother was born here and my grandparents waited until after she was 18 to become citizens.


Q. My Italian parent/grandparent/great grandparent was born in Italy, but was naturalized along with his or her parents as a minor. Does it still count as renouncing one's right to Italian citizenship if the child was too young to make a conscious choice?

A.     Yes. If your parent/grandparent/great grandparent was naturalized as a minor, he or she effectively renounced his or her right to Italian citizenship. This means that your ancestor was unable to pass Italian citizenship jure sanguinis to his or her children as an adult. Unfortunately, no exceptions are made in these cases.




Here are the qualifying credentials as per progenealogists.com

  1. Your father was born in Italy and was an Italian citizen at the time of your birth, and you never renounced your right to Italian citizenship.
  2. Your mother was born in Italy and was an Italian citizen at the time of your birth, you were born after January 1st, 1948 and you never renounced your right to Italian citizenship.
  3. Your father was born in the United States, your paternal grandfather was born in Italy and was an Italian citizen at the time of your father’s birth, neither you nor your father ever renounced your right to Italian citizenship.
  4. Your mother was born in the United States, your maternal grandfather was born in Italy and was an Italian citizen at the time of your mother’s birth, you were born after January 1, 1948 and neither you nor your mother ever renounced your right to Italian citizenship.
  5. Your paternal or maternal grandfather was born in the United States, your paternal or maternal great grandfather was born in Italy and was an Italian citizen at the time of your paternal or maternal grandfather’s birth, neither you nor your father/mother nor your grandfather/grandmother ever renounced your right to Italian citizenship.

The consulate itself would have the most up to date information: This is the current link to their info page on this topic which includes a summary and links to the forms required

One of the best parts of being italian citizen is that you can also live and work in other countries of the EU. As noted on Sadly, I won't qualify.

Having an Italian passport is like having a passport to any EU country, allowing you to live and work anywhere. Under the terms of Article 17 (ex Article 8) of the Treaty on European Union, any person holding the nationality of a member state is a citizen of the Union. EU citizenship, which supplements national citizenship without replacing it, grants citizens the right to move freely and to reside on the territory of the member states (Article 18).



oda - 03/14/12 21:42
my brother became an Irish citizen a few years ago. my dad's parents were both born in Ireland, and I guess that's all we needed to become Irish. Brian said it was a huge mess of paperwork and took about two years for it to all go through.
metalpeter - 03/11/12 11:42
Nothing to ad just that I find this pretty interesting....
uncutsaniflush - 03/10/12 22:40
Under the commies, if you were born in Poland of Polish citizens, you were a Polish citizen no matter what other citizenship you might hold. When I visited Poland in 1978, despite traveling with a U.S. passport, there was a chance that I would arrested as a draft-dodger because Poland then had universal military conscription and Poland considered me to be a Polish citizen subject to its laws. Apparently my yankee dollars were more useful to Poland than my prisonerhood then.

One of my mom's boyfriends who was from Belgium was arrested and served time in Belgium for being a draft-dodger when he visited the country traveling under a U.S. passport because he didn't serve in the Belgian army.

My understanding is that I am a Polish citizen still especially since I can prove that I was born in Poland to Polish citizens. I have several copies of my Polish birth certificates.
tinypliny - 03/10/12 22:04
Ah so all of them became Americans before having their kids. Hmmm.. so (e:imk2) got her Polish citizenship possibly because she was born in Poland...
paul - 03/10/12 21:22
No they weren't that is the problem. You need it to be like this. You grandparent came to america and had a kid. The kid then had you before the grandparent became a citizen. At least that's what I think.
tinypliny - 03/10/12 20:38
When your parents and grandparents were born, were their parents already US citizens? Really?
tinypliny - 03/10/12 20:36
You don't even qualify for 4 or 5? I don't believe it!

03/10/2012 02:44 #56197

Such a fucking idiot
Category: programming
I seriously just lost an hour of my life working on android and location accuracy. I am not even going to talk about it because like all of my other outside of work projects it will just get eclipsed by the high demand for my time that my actual job has.

Anyways, I was trying to get an accurate location and it kept giving me lat/long of 42 by 78. It was weird because it was saying the accuracy was like 1-28m. At first I thought it was because it kept selecting the network provider as more accurate as I was indoors. This got me running in and out of the house to try and get it to work.

But it wasn't working. Even when I explicitly chose the GPS as the location provider and set the accuracy to ACCURACY_FINE, it still was 42 by 78. After tons of frustration I looked at my logging code and I was casting the lat and long to int instead of a fucking double. Duh, it was being rounded. I could kill myself for not having noticed this and wasting so much time. I guess this is what I get for programming as entertainment at 2:41am on a saturday.

double lat = (double) (location.getLatitude());
double lng = (double) (location.getLongitude());

vs

int lat = (int) (location.getLatitude());
int lng = (int) (location.getLongitude());

metalpeter - 03/10/12 14:06
At 2:41 am I know I wouldn't be able to think clear but that is just me.... Or maybe the fact that drinking is the only reason I would be up at that time would be a factor.....
tinypliny - 03/10/12 12:20
I am rarely happier than when spending an entire day programming my computer to perform automatically a task that it would otherwise take me a good ten seconds to do by hand.

—Douglas Adams, "Last Chance To See".

03/09/2012 22:31 #56196

Wegmans Lunch
Category: food
The wegmans lunch was a lot more eclectic. Where else do you get Chinese, Japanese and chicken wings plus Mediterranean style veggies and asparagus salad.

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tinypliny - 03/09/12 22:57
okay that's it! I am sautéing asparagus for dinner!!!!!!

03/09/2012 22:29 #56195

Blue Fin Lunch on elmwood
Category: food
This time we got the desserts. They were delicious. (e:enknot) got the fried soft shell crab which also looked amazing.

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tinypliny - 03/09/12 22:55
I love those plates!

03/09/2012 22:27 #56194

Temo
Category: style
When terry meets emo.

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tinypliny - 03/09/12 22:55
So handsome! :) It brings out his blue eyes!