tinypliny - 09/18/11 14:28
But let's assume for now that the summary article is correct and that organic farming is really capable of producing just as much or even more than conventional farming in terms of output. Why are the prices so high then? Comes back to your question about why the organic cauliflower was $4.59. Somewhere along the whole organic-can-indeed-feed-the-world-view and the poor-cannot-afford-organically-farmed-produce is a gap in understanding or something that is going wrong. What is it? I want to be able to understand it someday.

tinypliny - 09/18/11 14:09
Too much to read. Too little time.

tinypliny - 09/18/11 14:08
% I mean there could be the argument that it allows us to feed a larger population, etc but not better for you.

yes, the sole reason for not farming organic was enabling mass production of more food and bringing down costs. But (e:heidi) linked this synthesis article in your post about how organic could achieve the same. :::link::: I read it but I need to hunt down the real references from that article when I get sometime. It opposes the view that fathers of the green revolution (and prominent Nobel scientists) held, so I need to see the references for myself.... Maybe in a month I will get around to reading and assimilating the alien literature.

paul - 09/18/11 13:44
How can not adding something be a fad. Its is not a new way of doing something, it is saying - do it like people did before, don't do anything and just leave them as is, the way nature intended and the way animals ate them for millions of years.

It just doesn't make sense that adding carcinogenic chemicals and poisons can make it be better for you. I mean there could be the argument that it allows us to feed a larger population, etc but not better for you. I mean why not dip all of your strawberries in rubbing alcohol too, just to be safe.

tinypliny - 09/18/11 13:35
How is a fad different from a bandwagon?

metalpeter - 09/18/11 10:57
To be honest I think that might be a bit to much to read at this time.... But here is my thoughts

-Is not using chemicals better yeah sure
--But does shorter shelf life cause other problems
--Isn't it odd that all these food recalls they go back and they find plants at fault.... Of course that kinda makes sense since you often don't cook them and most stuff would be killed by the cooking fully of meat...

Now I have heard that organic stuff tastes better?
-I don't agree cause you know what you like.... This is the same thing people pull with made at home sauce .. Just cause it is homemade doesn't mean it is better... One of those companies is amazing and if that is what you are used to it is better... Just like if you eat McDonald's yeah Burger king is better Quality and Sportmen's is even better but you won't like it....

-Now mentally you think oh yeah this is good so maybe it does...

To me organic isn't a fad... It is a movement it is a badwagon people get on like hating on Dallas or something... Now that doesn't mean if you eat organic you follow that..

tinypliny - 09/12/11 20:42
hahaha, this is pure black and white love. ;-)

uncutsaniflush - 09/12/11 20:38
Thank you for sharing this. 11T1his one of my fav1e versions of the piece. Rubenstein was a great interpreter of Chopin. And this is a bit of great writing by Chopin.

BTW, are you testing me? Are you expecting me to make some comment on your love of piano music as another example of your black and white thinking?? Well, I won't do it. So ha!!

tinypliny - 09/12/11 19:59
LOL, I don't think Paul would ever agree to going out waltzing. hehehe At least I would be really surprised if he were interested. I don't know about (e:TK). Isn't he coming back? Maybe I could ask him and see what he says. I know partner dancing is mostly about couples dating etc. but that's not what I want from dancing. Its a lot of fun really, when you have a partner who doesn't judge you, is forgiving of the faults and is genuinely interested in the dancing rather than some crazy mission to be the best dancer in the world or something.

metalpeter - 09/12/11 19:49
The Point I never got to was yes there are tech dancers where the steps are very you must do this and then that and then this and both people have to be on the same page.... But honestly I think you could learn a lot just from seeing people do a waltz (I assume they vary based on the speed of music)... The thing is if you dance and you have to think step then why do it... Yes there is a point where you have to think about it until you get to that certain level but unless it is for like a big event where everyone will do the same dance (wedding or cruise maybe) then you have to feel the music?

metalpeter - 09/12/11 19:46
I not being a dancer my self I get that there are people who do the dance school thing. But I think partner Dancers are really need to be done with someone who is more then just a dance partner or is only your dance partner... What I mean is that people go out dancing together... Not that I know much about latin and swing dance but I think there is an intimacy thing in those "forbidden or saucy" dances or even slow dances that just works as a couple and might not work as two singles.... With the exception of like you and Paul or even (e:TK)....

tinypliny - 09/12/11 19:36
You know (e:metalpeter), if you would come with me to a waltz class I would totally be up for it. :)

In salsa, everyone was already paired up when they came to class. Many didn't want to rotate and some did it very reluctantly. The remaining could care less about whether I was getting the steps right, or were too judgmental and focused on what I was doing wrong. The one person who was really supportive while dancing with me stopped coming. But everything went really downhill when the teachers stopped dancing with me and decided they needed to practice more with each other. I waited for one of them to dance with me again for a whole two months but they never did.

I was bald back then. There were all these hair flicks and styling and moves that were just not do-able. I kept waiting for the class to turn slightly more singles friendly with more individual dancing. I dropped numerous hints but that never happened. The whole class made me feel more alone than I have ever felt before in my entire life. I actually cried regularly coming back in the snowstorms after some of my last classes. Some of my walks back from the classes were some of the most depressing moments I have ever had in Buffalo.

I don't think I want that kind of stress again.

metalpeter - 09/12/11 19:10
You just need one of those book Models to dance with....HA... You know when I was in grammar school part of Gym was a Square dance... Didn't like it then still not fond of it but it was a very small portion ..Thankfully .... No way I could do any of it cause if I could I would be on some show like glee or some musical no one has ever heard of....

tinypliny - 09/12/11 19:05
On second thoughts, I am not sure I want to get into the whole partner-dancing agony once more. I have had enough aches with salsa.

tinypliny - 09/12/11 18:58
The waltz is one of my top favourite classical styles.

tinypliny - 09/12/11 18:57
Unfortunately, no. Not yet, anyway. :) The ballroom classes are not in walking distance. I think if it were not for this impediment I would have learnt the waltz a long back.

metalpeter - 09/12/11 18:51
But can you dance a Waltz ? Just wondering.....

tinypliny - 09/13/11 11:44
I read Jane Eyre 8 times when I was transitioning from 12 to around 17. I though it was a rather funny novel and remember smiling at many points.

matthew - 09/13/11 11:27
X-men, and Jane Erye.

paul - 09/13/11 00:49
I don't understand this?

tinypliny - 09/11/11 16:28
on the other, he really was the best Mr. Rochester EVER. Probably the one "villain" that everyone universally likes.

tinypliny - 09/11/11 16:21
Yeah, totally. I thought the same. I couldn't believe it considering how much I like mcavoy.

matthew - 09/11/11 16:10
I'm totally "team Erik".