Tinypliny's Journal

09/22/2011 10:15 #55180

(H)Umpteen Choices!
Category: linux

Humpty Dumpty was making a longtable
Yes! It was part of a thesis, and not a fable
Something about "Save" was taking far too long
Humpty didn't want to become egg foo yong
Stopping and listening to (e:strip) voices
Lead to Humpty having a million+ choices

Nice longtable reference:

tinypliny - 09/23/11 07:58
Okay, nedit is a bit evil. Just installed it and it froze my system when clicked on Settings in the menu. I had to resort to Alt+Prnt+R+S+E+I+U+B!

paul - 09/22/11 23:49
its a lot more like gedit. I am using it right now on dynebolic.

paul - 09/22/11 23:49
I forgot about nedit.

09/21/2011 21:49 #55177

Determined to make bread
Category: eating in

I have eaten like crap this entire past week. I think the only highlight of the week that went by was a cup of chocolate ice cream topped with mascarpone that I ate with Paul and Casey. I am determined to make bread this weekend. Specifically, I want to make the easy little bread from 101 cookbooks dot com:

I love that website. It's easily my most favourite recipe website ever. I like the pictures and the commentary on Pioneer Woman Cooks better, but more often than not, her recipes are too soaked in butter, too full of animal products and a trifle too rich for me to handle. I often wonder how many arteries she is clogging with her gorgeous looking blog. I am constantly tempted to go the whole nine atherosclerotic yards but I never make it through even two before I change course and convert her recipes to their ghastly poor versions. Unfortunately, they seldom take kindly to changes.

101 cookbooks, on the other hand, is all about light, airy dishes that don't take too long to cook and are infinitely "tweak-able" with equally good results down each tweaked path.

tinypliny - 09/22/11 17:38
Sometimes I do put in many fruits (dry or otherwise) in my bread. Depends on what kind of bread I am making. That bread I linked is a very simple yeast bread that can be made in a total time of around 2 hours or so (a fairly short time for regular-ish non-sweet bread). The recipe looks incredibly easy.

metalpeter - 09/22/11 17:35
Didn't follow the link so I gotta ask do you Fruit in Your bread? If you do or don't (yes I get that making bread is a thing to do and that is part of it) you should find a good bread place... DiCamilo's (not sure if that is spelled right) used to be amazing... Not sure if it is still open but there used to be a place that looks like a house on Niagara st. Think it was near Midas or that area but don't know if they are still around that was years ago.....

09/21/2011 12:11 #55176

Internal Struggle List
Category: goals

I read this article at 4:00 AM today:

I like its main points of summary. I reordered them to help myself out.

Be realistic
Face your fears
Focus on your options
Rise up to the challenge
Find peace
Don't stress over things you cannot control

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Engage in acts of gratitude
Be cautious when thinking about confrontation
Donâ€™t suppress or deny your feelings
Be around people

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Spend some time alone
Feel good about yourself
Relax
Live your life
Seek professional help

And these are my goals for September and October.

tinypliny - 09/22/11 17:33
I need to face my fears, unfortunately. Every single thing on that list sound like an important part of getting back into the groove of what I wanted to do.

metalpeter - 09/22/11 17:28
The Thing I find odd about this is how to me this ties in so much to that Bully story (haven't read about it really) that made National News even before GaGa jumped on board... These all sound like things that are good for anyone with troubles but the article makes it sound so easy..... Face your fear! If everyone could just do that everyone would be so much better off.... Fear of getting attacked, raped, failing, winning, getting what you want, be rejected..... The thing is and I have said this other places as well (facebook posts) is the fear is stronger then the bad thing that will happen most times...

09/20/2011 05:18 #55172

Save takes longer in gedit and gnumeric
Category: linux

Pedestrian observation but hitting Ctrl+S or the save button in linux (on gedit and gnumeric)"^ is always followed by a longer delay in saving the state of whatever program I am in (specifically programs that I use for writing and composing longer documents)"^ compared with windows. I have no idea why. My linux machine is substantially faster than my windows machine so this delay can't be because of disparity in drive-accessing speeds.

It could be that windows is just telling me it has saved the state of the program sooner than it really has and that Linux doesn't report the state being saved until it really has finished saving. But this is just speculation.

I know it isn't a big deal. A few extra seconds isn't much but it does adds up when you are writing a really long document and have fallen into the habit of saving multiple times as you write. Hitting Ctrl+S is almost second nature to me when I start writing. Having to wait a good chunk of time more in linux for even minor saves is somewhat annoying.

I wonder if anyone else has noticed this strange lag. I have seen it in Crunchbang, Ubuntu, Fedora and numerous other distributions I have tried. Every distro has the same annoying longer delay for saving (on gedit and gnumeric)"^.

^and some other apps that I will continue to list as I keep a closer watch on this issue: Gummi is now in the list.

"EDIT after comments: Please click that small comment bubble below and see the comments to this journal. (e:Paul) gave me some very useful suggestions about getting to the root of this problem. Thankfully, its not the operating system or even the hardware on my computer (two things that I was hoping it wouldn't be, because I can't change them without considerable effort).

The problem apps are gedit and gnumeric. I have found a substitute for latex composition with a live preview already: Gummi! And it is 100x more fabulous. Gnumeric will be hard to replace. I don't know what program comes even close to the awesomeness of Gnumeric. OpenOffice (Libreoffice) calc is a pale shadow for the particular way I use Gnumeric.

"Thanks, Paul. If every linux newcomer had a patient friend like you, I think the transition to the OS would be so much more painless. :-)

tinypliny - 09/22/11 17:06
The thing has a 600 page manual. :::link::: in PDF: :::link:::

Fine, 597. But still.

tinypliny - 09/22/11 16:30
This is so insane: :::link::: I hope to goodness you didn't mean him when you said "people that seem like you"!!

tinypliny - 09/22/11 11:05
It has a preview mode as well. :::link:::

Very handy if your latex skills don't really rank up there with the pros.

tinypliny - 09/22/11 10:18
:) I have already changed a few shortcuts and was reading that alias page. Are you spying on my screen?!

paul - 09/22/11 10:17
Wow, being able to make functions for aliases or shortcuts sounds even more useful :::link:::

You can even execute external commands :::link:::

paul - 09/22/11 10:14
I just created a 53M text file as a test case. I bet you could totally familiarize yourself with emacs. It has a cult like following of people that seem like you. Plus seriously opening a 53M text file and saving no prob is quite amazing. Plus when you think about it, isn't totally configurable what you are looking for.

I think these aliases sound much easier to use then 10 million individual shortcuts :::link:::

tinypliny - 09/22/11 09:34
I am on emacs now and being slightly overwhelmed with choices.

tinypliny - 09/22/11 02:53
I hit this page: :::link:::

Kind of complicated way to change something as simple as keyboard shortcuts. You and (e:uncut) can argue away to glory, but the fact remains. Linux and programs written for linux are either somewhat weird or complicated or both or just plain confusing to someone whose first computer had a gui and that gui was win 95.

tinypliny - 09/22/11 01:14
I think I did try out emacs in the past but was completely put off because of its alien and unfriendly keyboard shortcuts - that I had no idea how to change at that time. I will give it a whirl once more.

tinypliny - 09/22/11 01:13
I have trouble with measly 500k files.

tinypliny - 09/22/11 01:12
Wow, a 53M text file. What on earth is it? The whole internet packed?

paul - 09/22/11 01:10
I was thinking about it and I think maybe you would like emacs. It is great for editing huge files. I was able to instantly open and save a 53M text file that was killing gedit.

tinypliny - 09/21/11 16:22
Yes, everything that uses the GTK toolkit does seem to have a problem. And that is pretty much everything I use apart from whatever starts with an R.

I have a very elementary problem with Jedit. I can't figure out how to change the space between lines in the text area. Under global options > text area, I can change everything else. Right now, the text area is so crowded that its giving me a headache. Do you know how to increase the spacing between lines?

paul - 09/21/11 14:28
Seems like anything that used the underlying gtk code is going to have the same issue. Gnumeric, gedit, gummi all have the G in common.

What wrong with jedit? It cross platform and there are lots of plugins?

You could probably try any of the kde apps like kwrite, etc.

tinypliny - 09/21/11 14:25
Trying out Scribes. thus far, no delays.

tinypliny - 09/21/11 13:49
Guess I spoke too soon. Gummi has the same delay problem. *Sigh*

tinypliny - 09/21/11 09:36
Done!

tinypliny - 09/21/11 09:34
heh, I also said that it bothers me only when I write really long documents. That kind of limits the range of programs in both windows and linux, doesn't it? I guess using nano to compose my thesis or make the multipage tables didn't occur to me. Downloaded jedit yesterday specifically for testing this problem.

Humpty Dumpty fell from the wall a long ago, (e:uncutsaniflush). All the kings horses and men tried to do was to get a good breakfast out of him. They couldn't.

paul - 09/21/11 09:34
You should probably update you journal to not slam an entire family of OSes for a failure in a specific family of apps.

uncutsaniflush - 09/21/11 05:33
I love how "Linux" and " whatever program I am in" ended up being just gedit and gnumeric. I think that Humpty Dumpty has much to learn from you.

tinypliny - 09/21/11 04:30
I tried that and it is instantaneous in nano. There is hardly any delay. Gedit has massive delays (~5 seconds) for ~40 kb file (not unlike that bug report you linked). I disabled all my gedit plugins and the problem persists. Gnumeric also has a similar delay but not as massive as gedit. Jedit has no such delay. You need to see it to believe how absolutely annoying it can get! I think it is a bonafide bug in Gedit as well as Gnumeric, something perhaps to do with how they are implemented.

RStudio has no such delay. Nor does R.

(e:uncutsaniflush), the write speed of the harddrive on my both my laptops are the same. I use ext4.

(e:carolinian): Gedit and Gnumeric, mainly. Occasionally other programs, but definitely not RStudio, R and Nano. I will keep a watch.

paul - 09/20/11 20:37
You could try this. Open the file in something like vi or nano from the command line. Then save. In nano its ctrl+o

If its fast then its your program, if its still slow then its your computer.

paul - 09/20/11 18:45
Maybe this? :::link:::

paul - 09/20/11 13:46
:::link:::

Processor: Intel Core i3 CPU 530 @ 3.32GHz (Total Cores: 4), Motherboard: ECS H55H-M v1.0, Chipset: Intel Core, Memory: 1808MB, Disk: 300GB Seagate ST3300622AS, Graphics: Intel Core IGP 256MB, Audio: VIA VT1708S, Monitor: DELL P2210H

For this brief disk testing we ran IOzone through the Phoronix Test Suite on clean installations of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and Windows 7 Professional x64. The first test looks at the IOzone performance on a 4GB write with different record sizes.

On average, Ubuntu 10.04 atop the EXT4 file-system with the Linux 2.6.32 kernel was 26.5% faster than Windows 7 x64 with its NTFS file-system.

carolinian - 09/20/11 13:01
What application?

Save speed is as much do to the application as it is due to OS (and in many cases much more so).

If you have a massively long document and you save it in OpenOffice, you're basically writing the entire document out in very complicated XML text and then doing a zip on it. If you save a comparable document on MS Word using a binary format, the large document would save orders of magnitude faster.

paul - 09/20/11 10:19
Also considering google provides nothing for "save speed" linux vs windows I call shananigans.

paul - 09/20/11 10:14
For someone who is so obsessed with evidence based information, this screams subjective. I save like every 3 seconds and its instantaneous. Maybe you computer is just crap. Then again I am using an SSD.

It doesn't make sense that linux would be slower as it is the OS behind the servers on most of the web applications that you use and it needs to be super fast to support operations of all the users.

uncutsaniflush - 09/20/11 05:59
No, i haven't noticed but I'm not obssessed by time. And I don't use Windows at home just professionally.

One factor, oh great tiny scientist, that you may have overlooked is the actual hard drive. What it is spinning at? Many laptops use 5400 rpm drives to conserve power. Most desktop boxes use 7200 rpm drives. Slower speeds equate to slower write speeds.

And there is the question of what file system you are using. Some are faster than others.

But I'm sure you are right, it's all Linus Torvald's fault.

09/18/2011 08:46 #55166

Linux Bugreport Rap
Category: linux

If something isn't broken
don't go tinkering and fixin'
for you could be shot to hell
without so much as a token

But if something really is awry
there is little point in being shy
fire those irate bug reports
at upstream and downstream ports

You will be ignored (or rarely not)
your bug report could be cold or hot
but what really matters is just that
You filed it. Give yourself a pat!