Sam Hoyt doesn't love his kids if he'd damage their mother, but nevertheless I expect he'll be re-elected. He has a number of things in his favor: A) he has name recognition in the most apathetic electorate in the nation; B) his party has never looked down upon character flaws such as this; C) despite this "unlucky" mishap he is still at the top of what is the lowest common denominator as far as politicians go.
It's a shame, it really is. I've never really had an opinion one way or another about Sam Hoyt, just impressions - he seems inoffensive, he's around, every so often I get mailings from him which illustrate how government in NY moves at a glacier's pace. He is one of the local political class and he owes his current position to his father, who he succeeded as Assemblyman. He is former Chairman (you're going to love this) of the Assembly Oversight, Analysis and Investigations Committee. He currently chairs the Assembly Local Governments Committee, which I expect is a chair he won't hold for much longer.
This is a major disappointment. Now he is blaming his opponents! I have to be honest, I had no idea that he even had an opponent. The guy has been in office 16 years and it is fair to say that he is part of the political class in Buffalo that has been long on talk and short on delivering. Based on that alone he shouldn't be in office, but we all know he'll retain his seat in the Assembly. We've never punished bad politicians and never will. Nor will a Democrat ever get hung out to dry by colleagues or the media for cheating on his wife - even when she is dying of cancer, eh Johnny boy?
God help our city, although I don't pray for Buffalo anymore.
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08/21/2008 14:37 #45395
The Honeymoon Is Over08/20/2008 21:01 #45383
Highest Paid Rapper?So if you had to guess, who you would say was the highest paid rapper last year? Jay-Z, Sean Combs? No - it was 50 Cent, who earned $150,000,000 last year. You surely must be wondering, as I did, how the hell he earned that much money in 12 months.
The new king of hip-hop wealth banked $100 million after taxes on one deal alone when his stake in VitaminWater's parent, Glaceau, was bought by Coca-Cola as part of a $4.1 billion deal.
He's a true businessman!
The new king of hip-hop wealth banked $100 million after taxes on one deal alone when his stake in VitaminWater's parent, Glaceau, was bought by Coca-Cola as part of a $4.1 billion deal.
He's a true businessman!
08/20/2008 14:21 #45376
Quick BlurbsLeRoi Moore, saxophonist of the Dave Matthews Band, died at the age of 46 as a result of complications from an ATV accident two months ago - - it always bothers me when musicians die too soon.
An unfortunate legacy of Heath Ledger's death is his daughter, Matilda, growing up without her father. It turns out that Heath Ledger's will was never updated to include Matilda, so the actors that completed his role in The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus (Johnny Depp, Colin Farrell, Jude Law) donated their earnings from the film to the little girl. It isn't as if the girl wasn't destined to be a millionaire and wouldn't have lived off of her father's money the rest of her life, but I still think it was a touching gesture from a few heavy hitters in Hollywood.
Here is an ad hoc manga avatar that reflects today's look and general demeanor!
- it always bothers me when musicians die too soon.An unfortunate legacy of Heath Ledger's death is his daughter, Matilda, growing up without her father. It turns out that Heath Ledger's will was never updated to include Matilda, so the actors that completed his role in The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus (Johnny Depp, Colin Farrell, Jude Law) donated their earnings from the film to the little girl. It isn't as if the girl wasn't destined to be a millionaire and wouldn't have lived off of her father's money the rest of her life, but I still think it was a touching gesture from a few heavy hitters in Hollywood.
Here is an ad hoc manga avatar that reflects today's look and general demeanor!
08/18/2008 21:56 #45363
King of Painful Love Songs Pays BIGGrowing up I was a real product of my generation - dad used to play Genesis, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Miles Davis (the bad stuff), U2, Sade and so on whenever we were in the car. So the soundtrack to my early life was heavily laden with the likes of:
No Jacket Required
and Face Value.
Awesome albums that came from the man's soul while dealing with a painful divorce. "If Leaving Me Is Easy?" Only a wounded bird can chirp a song like that my friend.
Well, it hasn't been Phil's year, I have to say. Mr. Collins will now live in infamy as the British record holder for largest ever payout to an ex-wife. Article - Even larger than Sir Paul's payment to that beeotch Heather Mills! That shit hurts. I'd weep too, man. He's paid a total of $84 million to his ex-wives!
Since the songs were so great that came from what he was feeling during his first divorce, one can only speculate as to what kind of record he'd make based on this most recent unlucky mishap.
I'm a dick so I went ahead and speculated for everybody:
OMG! Oh, and by the way, please take note of his innovations in the sport of love. You've heard of the most recent Hollywood trend of dumping people via text, right? Consider this evolutionary precursor to the text dump:
After taking advantage of technological advances and infamously dumping wife No. 2, Jill Tavelman, by fax back in 1994, he was forced to pay $34 million.
That is a special kind of loathe.
No Jacket Required
and Face Value.
Awesome albums that came from the man's soul while dealing with a painful divorce. "If Leaving Me Is Easy?" Only a wounded bird can chirp a song like that my friend.
Well, it hasn't been Phil's year, I have to say. Mr. Collins will now live in infamy as the British record holder for largest ever payout to an ex-wife. Article -
Even larger than Sir Paul's payment to that beeotch Heather Mills! That shit hurts. I'd weep too, man. He's paid a total of $84 million to his ex-wives!Since the songs were so great that came from what he was feeling during his first divorce, one can only speculate as to what kind of record he'd make based on this most recent unlucky mishap.
I'm a dick so I went ahead and speculated for everybody:
OMG! Oh, and by the way, please take note of his innovations in the sport of love. You've heard of the most recent Hollywood trend of dumping people via text, right? Consider this evolutionary precursor to the text dump:
After taking advantage of technological advances and infamously dumping wife No. 2, Jill Tavelman, by fax back in 1994, he was forced to pay $34 million.
That is a special kind of loathe.
08/15/2008 13:45 #45337
The Road - In Theaters this NovemberI was introduced to the works of Cormac McCarthy during the wintertime, which I suppose is a bit of a poetic time to be introduced to the works of a man who typically writes violent, post-apocalyptic books vaguely reminiscent of Faulkner's prose style. His best work I'm told (I'm going to study it this fall) is Blood Meridian, which is an incredibly rich text and is widely compared to Moby Dick. I say study rather than read - almost every page is littered with accurate historical references (even seemingly innocuous sentences), and most people that read the book never really understand how monumental a book Blood Meridian is in that regard. It is like reading Tolstoy and not ever really having an intricate grasp of 19th Century Russian society, or like reading Nabokov without an intricate grasp of 19th Century Russian literature.
The one book that has won Mr. McCarthy the most recent praise (and the cringeworthiness of being associated with Oprah) is The Road, which won last year's Pulitzer Prize. Like most of McCarthy's books, the plot is not the focus and is sometimes non-existent. The strength of his writing, particularly with The Road, is how he draws out the most human of our elements in the midst of an end of the world scenario. The focus of the book is not the setting but the journey, and how a father and son cope with survival when civilization has been lost. McCarthy refers to it in the book as "carrying the fire," which is simply another way of saying that in many ways civilization, the goodness and the very humanity that we exhibit really hasn't been lost, and you learn that the "fire" is encapsulated by the boy.
Well, like "No Country For Old Men" and "All The Pretty Horses," The Road has been adapted for the screen and will be released this November. Viggo Mortensen plays the role of the father, and a relatively unknown child actor from Australia plays the son. The film was largely shot in Pittburgh, with some locations elsewhere. The NYT has an article about the movie you can read here - - apparently the final scenes were filmed in Erie, near the shores of our Great Lake. Does this mean that our general area is good for filming what seems to be bombed out landscape half of the year? I don't know, but Viggo seems to be really excited about the child star they brought on to play the son - apparently he is a savant in the same mold as Haley Joel Osment.
The one book that has won Mr. McCarthy the most recent praise (and the cringeworthiness of being associated with Oprah) is The Road, which won last year's Pulitzer Prize. Like most of McCarthy's books, the plot is not the focus and is sometimes non-existent. The strength of his writing, particularly with The Road, is how he draws out the most human of our elements in the midst of an end of the world scenario. The focus of the book is not the setting but the journey, and how a father and son cope with survival when civilization has been lost. McCarthy refers to it in the book as "carrying the fire," which is simply another way of saying that in many ways civilization, the goodness and the very humanity that we exhibit really hasn't been lost, and you learn that the "fire" is encapsulated by the boy.
Well, like "No Country For Old Men" and "All The Pretty Horses," The Road has been adapted for the screen and will be released this November. Viggo Mortensen plays the role of the father, and a relatively unknown child actor from Australia plays the son. The film was largely shot in Pittburgh, with some locations elsewhere. The NYT has an article about the movie you can read here -
- apparently the final scenes were filmed in Erie, near the shores of our Great Lake. Does this mean that our general area is good for filming what seems to be bombed out landscape half of the year? I don't know, but Viggo seems to be really excited about the child star they brought on to play the son - apparently he is a savant in the same mold as Haley Joel Osment.imk2 - 08/15/08 22:27
and "the crying lot..." is supposed to be Pynchon's most accessible work. i cannot imagine what is other stuff is like.
and "the crying lot..." is supposed to be Pynchon's most accessible work. i cannot imagine what is other stuff is like.
imk2 - 08/15/08 22:09
i dunno...i tried reading "the road", but i just could not get into it. often times i dislike a book when the author is too descriptive and too poetic. i feel as if they are trying to show off what they can do with words instead of trying to tell a story.
prime example is the "the crying lot of 49" by Pynchon. his writing style, literally, made me angry. it's like listening to someone talk just to hear themselves talk. i just felt he tried to make the prose unnecessarily difficult just because it would make him seem much more interesting and complex. everything was convoluted and riddled with metaphor upon metaphor. i think that authors who cannot put together an interesting tale try to compensate by writing shit that nobody can understand thus making it seem so intelligent that only the super smart are capable of understanding it. maybe the extra intelligent folk do enjoy this much more than me and maybe that is the audience that book was written for. maybe i'm just not smart enough to see the book for what it is.
and it is because of that book that i didn't attempt to go beyond the first 10 pages of "the road". i was afraid that i would hate the book and the author if i kept reading. maybe i'm wrong. maybe someone here can tell me that it's not as i perceive it to be. i'm willing to listen to others' opinion if they feel differently.
i dunno...i tried reading "the road", but i just could not get into it. often times i dislike a book when the author is too descriptive and too poetic. i feel as if they are trying to show off what they can do with words instead of trying to tell a story.
prime example is the "the crying lot of 49" by Pynchon. his writing style, literally, made me angry. it's like listening to someone talk just to hear themselves talk. i just felt he tried to make the prose unnecessarily difficult just because it would make him seem much more interesting and complex. everything was convoluted and riddled with metaphor upon metaphor. i think that authors who cannot put together an interesting tale try to compensate by writing shit that nobody can understand thus making it seem so intelligent that only the super smart are capable of understanding it. maybe the extra intelligent folk do enjoy this much more than me and maybe that is the audience that book was written for. maybe i'm just not smart enough to see the book for what it is.
and it is because of that book that i didn't attempt to go beyond the first 10 pages of "the road". i was afraid that i would hate the book and the author if i kept reading. maybe i'm wrong. maybe someone here can tell me that it's not as i perceive it to be. i'm willing to listen to others' opinion if they feel differently.
This post and all the comments point out why this country is so fucked, it is because we care if Hoyt or someone else sleeps around. I don't give a fuck if after work he does a line of blow with a hooker and she blows him and fingers him and he cries like a little girl when he comes. As long as it doesn't effect his Job who really gives a shit. The fact that everyone cares more about his personal life then if he does a good job, is an example of why our system is so screwed up. Most people say the Tabloids are bad but they read them anyways.
In terms of what I have read and heard this happened years ago and it is old news. Since Hoyt didn't run for mayor the Blogger didn't do the entire supper public thing but now he has gone public, not sure his reasons but I Have seen Hoyt stuff everywhere.
Someone Cheating on their wife or lover Isn't right but it happens all the time. Not counting the women who through them selves at men the reason people cheat is simple: there is something lacking in there relationship and the cheating is a way of dealing with that. I'm not going so far as to blame the wife and say she won't fuck him the way the guy wants to fuck. But there is some connection that isn't there, because if everything was perfect there would be no reason to cheat. The other thing that people have to remember is that (most of the time) the person who is cheating thinks they won't get caught. That is true of lots of criminals also. So they are not thinking that what they are doing will hurt there wives or the family.
So I did go through and read all the comments but I will say this:
He's a creep. I know for a fact he continues to cheat. He just got caught this time. The wives stick by them because what else are they going to do? ONce you get into that life you have little choices left (by this i mean they don't want to go through a public divorce and they see denying it as the best option).
Joshua,
You live large. Controversy is all apart of that. If people don't disagree with you on the internet then you are only posting LOLcats. So, rock on with your bad self.
:::link:::
Neither party has a monopoly on infidelity. John Mccain has actually come through his campaign unscathed by his straying past (which he fully admits to). Perhaps Americans are more concerned with their politicians policies and leadership abilities than personal lives.
You know what James, talking with you has made me feel like I should cut Sam Hoyt at least a sliver of slack. I don't think he's an evil guy. You are right in that it was an asshole thing to write, but I've written it and I'm going to live with it. I don't edit things out of my journals, and if you really want to read some anti-Josh vitriol it is there for posterity, mostly authored by (e:ajay) (who I've come to terms with) and (e:PM) of PMT - in particular Paul was offended by my suggestion that nuking Japan saved hundreds of thousands of lives and ended WWII, which was factual - the mor(T)ality of doing so is another issue entirely. I think Matt was offended by my view that abortion is barbaric and should have restrictions.
Well, to be accurate, what I wrote was this - "Sam Hoyt doesn't love his kids IF HE'D DAMAGE THEIR MOTHER." Let's at least get it right, shall we? I feel horribly for his wife and I give her credit for finding it within her for sticking with him.
I never expected a single politician to be Superman - I've made it clear over the history of my journal that this is impossible, particularly in NYS. The closest thing to Superman NYS has right now is David Paterson. It is not unreasonable to expect more from our local politicians, James. You make it sound like he's moved mountains, but anybody that looks around our area can see that isn't the case. No one person can fix our problems - the system has to be flushed of long-term incumbents. By the way, it isn't an issue of party either. I wonder how much larger the deficit would be had Republicans in the Senate *not blocked* some of the bills.
It is interesting you bring up IDA reform - Sam Hoyt was on the radio this week poopooing Clarence for using the bill to build a new supermarket. He was mad because this wasn't the intention of the bill. Nationally something similar occurred with election finance reform. Remember McCain/Feingold? These two (in particular, McCain) were blamed mercilessly for the creation of 527 organizations. Should something similar happen to Sam Hoyt if he's taking credit for IDA reform?
The same-sex marriage bill died in 2007, which is a shame. We all know whose fault it is - it is that stuff that made me leave the party. I'm not a social conservative.
ha! You are right Joshua. Let us all be messengers for mortality.
My favorite thing about local politics is that all local political blogs read like Mike Drudge with a quarter of the class.
You did not suggest it. You wrote out clearly that he does not love his children. You are an asshole for it.
And if you expect a single politician to improve all of WNY and bring us out of the shitter, you certainly do not have a realistic view of how politics work. Occasionally doing his job? This year we got record aid, school reconstruction, land banking, same-sex marriage, GENDA, and IDA reform. Sorry he didn't bring the steel plants back and turn Buffalo into a boom town with a Republican majority in the Senate blocking everything.
Now that I take a closer look at the link you posted (e:james) -
"Arrested for robbing the M&T bank on Elmwood and Auburn Ave."
There no M&T Bank there - it is located between Breck enridge and W. Ferry.
"Please stick to attacking politicians on policy and not their personal lives, please stop posting fraudulent information, and most of all stop with all that biblical scripture you clearly are the wrong massager for mortality."
I'm going to be a messenger for mortality!
on the paramour's age :::link:::
And you might be right on the time line of the affair, I was thinking of the emails on the time line. My bad.
But, the affair has been out. Everyone knows about it. Everyone knew that is why he dropped out of the mayoral race in 2005. The reason it is news now is because his opponents waited to bring this before the Assembly ethics committee, whose rules stipulate that any complaint brought before them must be investigated. So, even though no laws or ethics rules were violated, they must investigate it. The timing is purely political. And, since the affair has been public knowledge (though it hasn't been littering the pages of newspapers as fine as the Post) he can't be blackmailed by it.
(e:ajay) stunned me! He is Mr. Potpourri because whenever he comments in my journal I never know what to expect.
(e:james) - I'm not editing my journal because you find something offensive. Someone who would commit adultery hasn't really put a whole hell of a lot of thought into how that might affect their kids, not just in the present moment but in the future. Was it an asshole thing to say? Yeah. But you and anyone that has ever met me knows I'm not an asshole - I'm a provocateur. It was an obvious cheap shot, and it certainly wasn't the worst thing I've read on (e:strip) regarding politicians. I suggested that he must not love his kids if he'd treat their mother that way - that is a far cry from claiming that the POTUS is a war criminal. Some perspective should really be considered here. You can see that it was effective and it triggered a vigorous discussion. I'll throw him a bone though - I don't think Sam Hoyt is an evil man, it is his judgment that is disturbing.
I know that it is Sunny Sam Hoyt Day every day between Delevan and Lafayette, but in (e:joshua) land the guy is a philanderer and has been extremely ineffective. You may think bringing a dog park into the city and bringing pork back to the city is an accomplishment, but the former is fluff (arguably a waste, although I'm sure dog owners feel differently) and the latter is simply DOING HIS JOB at a minimal level. Have we stooped to the point where we are amazed at politicians who occasionally do what they are supposed to? By the way - much of that state aid is about to go bye-bye because guys like Sam Hoyt have talked a lot about fiscal responsibility in Albany but ultimately do nothing. Our state is screwed in part because of long-term incumbents. I'm an advocate of term limits across all levels of government.
You are talking to a media junkie and an obsessive/compulsive political observer. I'm sorry, but I expect a hell of a lot more from a guy who has been in office for 16 years. Sam Hoyt is not the reason why Buffalo isn't in the shitter. Haven't you looked around? Buffalo IS in the shitter.
Honest question - why should I give Sam Hoyt a chance? I vote Democrat locally. What separates him from any other local candidate besides incumbency?
BTW, that link you posted - wow. Welcome to local politics. I would NEVER run for office locally because of how dirty it is, so from that respect I give Sam Hoyt credit.
(e:janelle) - a lot of Democrats can't see the importance of personal character in their politicians. I don't expect it will change anytime soon.
I'll be interested in your post on why Drew's comment was disappointing.
Given the information available, it's not yet clear to me how the relationship evolved and how culpalble the different parties are in this serious moral transgression.
I hope you carefully steer away from any argument that infantilizes women and their ability to engage in moral reasoning, else then I'll be disappointed ;)
the prosecution of domestic abuse varies from state to state. Some states prosecute without the cooperation of the abused spouse.
It's still illegal. So I stand by my statement that I'm more concerned with my politician engaging in illegal behavior.
(e:janelle) , wife abuse is prosecuted only when the wife agrees to press charges, or there are witnesses. Otherwise, what happens in the bedroom stays in the bedroom.
(e:james) , here are the facts I've read:
1. One of the women involved was 24 at the time (and _not_ in her 30s as you claim). Her name is Lori Gradwell.
2. From the news report:
Lori Gradwell began her fling with Assemblyman Sam Hoyt (D-Buffalo) in May 2003, when she was wrapping up a six-month internship . . . . The affair, however, lasted until at least January 2005.
That's more than "a few months" if you ask me.
Look, this Illuzzi guy may be the devil incarnate; that doesn't change the message.
Hoyt was (and is) a big public figure, for crying out loud!! How _could_ he have expected that his affairs would not come out ??
If you read old-skool spy novels, you'll know that blackmailing via sex is one of the favorite techniques used in the shady world of espionage and crime. What if Hoyt got blackmailed by some shady business guys to push legislation for them in return for keeping this affair quiet?
(e:drew), I am disappointed in your statement that "the women should have known better". I'll address that in a blog post shortly.
(e:Ajay): The difference I see between Sam Hoyt cheating on his wife and beating his wife is that beating one's spouse is illegal and actively prosecuted as such(I hope). I don't want my politicians to engage in illegal behavior.
A lot of states (and individuals for that matter) no longer have statutes against infidelity and in most states that do have statutes against it, it's never prosecuted but in the rarest of cases.
I still don't think anyone has laid down a concise argument on why being unfaithful as a spouse makes one a bad politician.
No, that website is run by a scam artist.
First, there was just the one person.
Second, it only lasted for a few months. The affair ended years ago, which is why Hoyt didn't run for mayor way back when.
Third, she was not underage, she was in her 30's.
Fourth, he did not get her pregnant and pay for the abortion. He had a vasectomy a decade before that.
Those emails are forged. They are dated after the affair.
And who is this man publishing this crap? :::link:::
The man fucked up, there is no question of that. He thought with his dick and is a dick for it. But to jump from that line of thought to 'he doesn't love his children' requires too many assumptions.
First of all, this is men AND women. Sam had greater responsibility, but I am pretty sure those women knew he was married and knew better. They shouldn't be surprised that he cheated on them. After all, they knew, based on the fact of their relationships, that he was willing to cheat.
I think, ajay, that reconciliation says more about a person's character than infidelity, or even abuse. The last two, sadly, come easy, and many have fallen into them. But humbling yourself before a person you have wronged is much harder.
If a person has wronged the public, than the public should be involved in the reconciliation. In the case of a cheater, this has not happened. With an abuser, it has happened because a law has been broken.
Hoyt has shown himself willing to lie and cheat. Does this disqualify him as a politician? In a perfect world, yes. But show me a politician that doesn't lie. As much as I like Obama, he knows he is lying about "energy independence" every time he says it.
Is every politician willing to admit when they have screwed up and work to make it right? Sadly, the answer is no. Even when they change positions, they rarely admit that the old one was mistaken.
I can see where (e:joshua) is coming from.
When a man commits infidelity (face it, it's usually men who do things like this), he's just thinking of himself; he's not thinking of his kids or his wife. He's thinking of his dick. He is being a dick.
I can understand a 1-off mistake. "I was drunk, it was late, and things happened...".
But 2 affairs going on for years? Has anyone read the letters they exchanged :::link::: ? He was cheating on the mistresses too!
Yes, he may have brought home the bacon. But one can make a case that he doesn't love his wife and kids as much as a father should.
Let me ask this hypothetical question: suppose it came out that he physically abused his wife over a period of years; but he and his wife had reconciled now. Would y'all still be defending him? When do private matters not remain private anymore and reflect on the moral character of a person? Where do you draw the line? I'm not sure. . . . .
Dude, he had an affair years ago. His wife gave him the boot. They reconciled, are back together, and their family is stronger than ever. THe majority of marriages in this country end in divorce but the two of them worked through their problems and beat the odds. I see the man interact with his children and saying he doesn't love them is not based on any sense of reality. You should edit that out of your post. It makes you look like an ass hole, and I don't want to think of you that way.
And what makes you think he is an ineffective politician? Are you familiar with his record at all? The reason Buffalo's finances aren't in the red is because the man brings record levels of state aid to the city. He just got 300 Million for phase four of school reconstruction even after the Governor threatened to veto due to the financial crisis. The man brings home the bacon, which says nothing of his record on social legislation. He sponsored and got passed same sex marriage this year. We now have a dog park thanks to him. He turned Squaw Island from a sewage treatment plant to one of the largest open spaces in the city.
I will just assume your opinion of his legislation is based on the same ignorance your opinion of his family is based on.
It seems that the underlying assumption in your post is that infidelity makes a politician unfit to be a politician, but you don't flesh out why. Or is it infidelity with interns? I'm not sure.
Anyway, as socially conservative as I can be, and as abhorrent as I find infidelity, I don't necessarily find a politician who engages in it to be a bad politician (although he was a bad spouse).
I have to go, so I'll leave my comments at that, but I'll look forward to your explanation as to why Sam Hoyt is now a bad politician.
Jim, it was utterly buried in the mainstream, and at the time it broke the LA Times actively told its bloggers NOT to mention it. You can thank the National Enquirer, of all places, for the most dogged reporting on the subject. Nobody else covered it, and Bill Keller at the NYT was one of MANY who have made excuses. In fact, and maybe you didn't realize this, but the link you provided directly linked to an article from the Huff. Post (of all places) that corroborated exactly what I'm saying. Dig a bit deeper and you'll find many articles discussing the blacking out of the Edwards scandal.
Saying now that he's killed his career was obvious - who could credibly deny it? At this point they HAVE to. I'm not giving credit to people for acknowledging the obvious late in the game. It is still being written about (largely, by the Enquirer)because every day seems to reveal increasingly disturbing details. Find me one prominent Democrat that has come out to impune John Edwards. The DNC homepage is scrubbed of any talk regarding the scandal. Democrats never, ever eat their own over moral failings - never have and never will. It was made worse with the addition of a complicit media actively ignoring the story until they couldn't ignore it credibly anymore.
Obviously I don't, since I went ahead and wrote it, but certainly I'm willing to admit that it is an indecent thing to say. I'll live with it.
Democrats did reject John Edwards over that. No one would stand for him as VP or in a cabinet level position. Every democrat I've talked to or read stuff from pretty much thinks he's killed his career. How did he not get hung out to dry? :::link::: It's still getting written about today. If anything, it was covered more then the Georgian crisis or the financial meltdown for a couple weeks to my dismay.
I think saying he doesn't love his sons is over the line.