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08/08/2008 00:58 #45271

Wow.
This is for the Ho sisters, or anyone that appreciates gossipy/scandalous news.

Escapist or psychopath? You decide.

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Woman in England decorates her home in traditional 50's TV style, down to the smallest detail. Read the article - - it is completely worth it. The freak show gets more intense as you scroll down. By the way, she is married. Can you imagine coming home to THAT? Imagine coming home from a long day at work and being forced to submit to your wife's fantasy of being June Cleaver.

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Don't get me wrong. This could have some potential in a different context - you know, once a year in the privacy of your bedroom. But every single day of your tortured marriage? Is this England's DHS version of alternative treatment when the drugs get too expensive?
metalpeter - 08/08/08 18:36
Wasn't still like this in the south 10 years ok 15 years ago, HA. Seriously I don't think it is crazy at all. There is a lot of shit that is fucked up in our society or can be viewed that way by some. For example 13 year old welfare (yes white ones also not only blacks and Latino's) who's dad leaves when they are two and then the young kid learns that is the way life is so they have a kid at 15. I'm not saying things where perfect in the past but there where a lot of things that where good back then. I admit I do like edgy music but for every good band I'm guessing there are 10 crappy ones where the music is just crap. There are some still some old time families where the dad works and mom stays home with the kids and does the house and there is nothing wrong with that. But there is also nothing wrong with a women who works. But Men and Women are Different and sometimes it is good to remember that. I say if you are a women you thinks she should have been born in the Forties then it is fine to go back to those times. It would be interesting to know how these ladies feel about there story being on the internet that would be a cool follow up piece.
carolinian - 08/08/08 11:39
Reminds me of the SCA people who try to bring back a romanticized era that never existed.



hodown - 08/08/08 10:12
I vote freak. I mean it's an interesting concept, I'm all for vintage, but that's a bit too much.

08/07/2008 10:19 #45262

Protester Success in Beijing
Take a look -



Would you have the stones to do that? Of course, domestic "trouble makers" are either jailed, under house arrest (with varying degrees of access to media for interviews) or simply intimidated into silence. My personal "favorite" - one Tibetan lady who had spent time in the United States had been threatened with confiscation of her children if she did not buy plane tickets and go back to the United States. So, foreign protesters are finding a degree of success, which China finds utterly unacceptable. I applaud their bravery - China is not morally equivalent to the West under any circumstances so they should not be treated as such. In my view putting yourself in personal danger, as these protesters have, is another kind of war. There are no bullets - at least on the side of the good guys - but being a dissident in a country whose legacy includes murdering 70,000,000 of its own people constitutes a personal danger that everybody should respect.

President Bush is criticizing their government heavily - - as he should. Some say he isn't doing enough and that he should have considered staying home rather than attending the games. I'm afraid it isn't that simple. American presidents tend to criticize China at the beginning and the end of their term, but rarely in between. For him to have not attended would have been the right thing to do morally, but the wrong thing to do for the country. President Bush is right to levy his criticisms, which I would wager most Americans share.

Will that stop me from watching the Olympics? No. It is a sporting event, and frankly my interest is in supporting our own athletes. Politics should never mix with sports - the results can be seen all across Europe with one of my favorite sports, football (soccer). However, the entire premise of these Olympic Games is to cast China as a world power ready to take a grander stage. They are using the Games as a means to enhance their stature globally. For them it isn't just a sporting event, so I reject the cries from China to set the politics aside. The world is too wise to accept fallacious suggestions from China such as that.

I want our athletes to go in, have a healthy place to compete (which seems dubious at best), collect more medals than everybody else and get the hell out of there. I want to see Phelps dominate. I want to see our footy teams do better than most would think, although yesterday's loss to Norway hurt. I want to hear our national anthem and see our flag raised in the capital of a Communist country with an oppressive political system, with medals slung around the necks of people standing on pedestals who know what freedom is all about.

One such athlete who knows exactly what I'm talking about is Lopez Lamong. Mr. Lamong is a former Sudanese refugee and Darfur activist who spent 10 years in a Kenyan refugee camp. He became an American citizen in July 2007 and is representing our country in the 1500m. The American team captains got together in the Olympic Village and voted him to be the flag bearer during the opening ceremony. You can read about it here - - it was a decision that made me so proud that I got emotional when I heard it.

In his words: "The American flag means everything in my life -- everything that describes me, coming from another country and going through all of the stages that I have to become a US citizen."

That is something worthwhile to see, Friday night, Channel 2, 7:30pm.

EDIT: More, via Drudge. If you have 10 minutes check these out.




metalpeter - 08/08/08 18:41
One thing I just wanted to add is that you did say that the people and the government are different. I think that is a fact that often people forget. Yes sometimes there ideas agree and sometimes not. But we can't assume that they do agree. I think I have heard that some of the young people there do not agree with the government on some issues. I hope you enjoy the games and that nothing horrid happens to anyone during the games.
joshua - 08/07/08 20:04
Another excellent comment (e:peter) - particularly your mentioning the necessity to take time and work with the Chinese. In my job we deal with Chinese companies regularly and it is important to understand that a heavy-handed approach will never work with them. It has to be framed more like a partnership in order to make it work, and particularly when we find bad things the importance on emphasizing the partnership aspect only increases. Their whole society functions like that.

Second great point you made - who are we to say their culture is wrong? I think as Americans we need to understand that other countries may not necessarily want to mimic our form of government or our culture. We believe so strongly in the correctness of our way of doing things that we can't imagine someone else not having what we have. On the other hand though, there are certain things we can't ever compromise, such as human rights and freedom of expression. If they weren't so oppressive I wonder how people would think about China. We have to understand that China may not ever be an Asian USA, but if we (and the world) can work with them to convince them that certain rights are inherent among all human beings.

I am only speaking about their government, by the way. The Chinese people have an incredible past and I'm fascinated with their culture. They aren't bad people - they are under their government's thumb in a lot of ways that I'm sure many of them would love to change, if they had an option or even a means to suggest it openly.
metalpeter - 08/07/08 18:07
Pretty good post. I did follow that first link and them getting those signs hung is pretty cool I guess. I Hope the US Team does very well, we shall see if that happens. I didn't read the story about Bush but I have heard he has been rough on how the Chinese treat their people. With the way of the world the US and China have to work together and get along. Bush going to china is currently the right thing for both countries. I think that if getting China to change is the right thing, that you have to work with them. If say the US and other countries said what you do is wrong so we aren't going to the games and all the trade is ending then all you do is make there convictions stornger and if more countries do it it could push them to war. Morally I think what bush should do is a little bit tougher. One way of thinking is that Our Freedom is right so supporting someplace that beats up on the rights of people is wrong. However the flip side is that people not having rights is part of there culture and what they are, and who are we to say there culture is wrong. I think that culture is starting to change so by supporting the country you could also be supporting the change, so it isn't so simple.

08/06/2008 10:59 #45251

News
Just an apparently not so short blast - lots of work to do today that I can't feasibly put off.

1. One of the points of pride for the Obama campaign has been, according to them anyway, that their campaign is a grassroots campaign driven by legions of small donors. It turns out that this isn't entirely true. Big donors ($1000 or more) account for a third of all donations Obama has taken thus far. The article questions his rationale for not taking the public financing - he claimed he didn't want to neuter the grassroots nature of his campaign. Personally, I thought his rationale was transparently BS - it was painfully obvious that by taking the public money he would stand to lose hundreds of millions of dollars in donations. Anyway -

2. In the meantime, McCain is at Sturgis! When someone says "Buffalo Chip" I wonder how many people reading that article actually know what one is.

3. Since it is the eve of the Olympics I thought it would be appropriate to stick it in Communist eyes once again. The fact that China was awarded the Olympics, in my view, was ill-advised to the extreme. Did anybody actually believe them when they said that they weren't going to abuse and oppress foreigner and native alike while the Olympics were being staged? In the meantime, the world watches aghast as their totalitarian eccentricities devolved into the beating of two Japanese journalists - what a disaster. This, on top of obvious health concerns for athletes, blocking of several sites on the Internet (standard practice - lord knows people hearing contrary opinions is a bad thing, even if you are a foreign journalist), chicken pens for protesters, the establishment of rules for athletes so as to not provoke the delicate sensibilities of the assholes that run the country - China's government lacks morals and has set the stage for an incredibly indecent country. You can say what you want about the United States, but we do not have US Army soldiers strewn about the streets intimidating the public, nor would we ever tolerate an American soldier beating a foreign journalist on American soil, or anywhere else. China is a shitpot with a frivolous and fraudulent veneer. The fact that their citizens manage to defend and even ignore this kind of behavior can only be the result of one of two circumstances. Either they are afraid of the consequences of being critical, or they actually believe what they are saying. Both are unacceptable by any standard.

China was quick to apologize, but I say FUCK 'EM. They acted like spoiled children over the Cafferty incident and refused to accept CNN's apology, and cruelly his sharp comments about China were proved true. The irony is that because they are utterly incapable of helping themselves by resisting the urge to crack down on things they don't like, the Olympics are only magnifying how far China still has to go. Their indiscretions and the cavalier way in which they employ oppressive rules on foreigners are turning their Olympics into a caricature. The IOC is a disgrace - we have Jacques Rogge shrugging his shoulders while dining on sumptuous meals and traveling to exotic places in promotion of the Beijing Olympics. Ahh, taste the smog.

For more ludicrous and anger-inducing news regarding Beijing's calamitous Olympic Games and their trivial and alarming rules for foreigners, the New Yorker put out an excellent article. Highlights include forcing journalists to surrender their press credentials in exchange for translation equipment.
metalpeter - 08/06/08 18:08
I will admit that as much as I would like to visit China and was Jealous of (e:Imk2) when she went and also happy she went and lived some of her trip through her pictures, having the Olympics there was a mistake. I will admit I'm not sure who they where competing with. I have a few guesses as to why they where given the games. The positive side of me says that it was to show That the world (America) has faith in them (remember they have favored nation status) and that they are going to slowly change and this is the first step. The more realistic me says that it is all about Money. I don't know the entire money side but a China that people from all over the world travel to gives them more money oh yeah and the build new things and then more sports can go on there. A china who gets more money then will help you produce things cheeper they will buy more of your products. But now if China closes it self off to the world like it did a long time ago then with all those people that is a lot of lost profits. I think that unlike when we had the cold war with Russia this is one everyone knows China would win. I'll go out and say it they are the real supper power and you want them as a friend even if they are not a great friend you sure don't want them as any enemy. The thing about China is their Philosphy on life is exactly the opposite of the US. The US thinks that personal freedom (yes we are slowly losing this and giving this away to feel safe) is more important then the whole or that One Person is more important then the whole (well that is sort of true). China on the other hand is that the Society is more important then the Indivual. That is also why if you are guilty you have to prove you didn't do it and the prof is on you instead of here where it is the other way around.

On a little side note Back when John Carey was running his Campaign I took a trip to Cleveland and there where people there who Had a set up Showing how the Chinesse Prosectuted people who following this certain belief system, sorry I don't remember what it was called but some of the stuff looked really brutal.

My Hope is that Maybe the Olympics can bring about some changes in China, maybe not today but soon, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

08/02/2008 09:28 #45225

Saturday Morning
I was sitting here drinking my coffee, contemplating what albums I wanted to buy as I listened to the Decemberists. As the song ended, I could hear a truck backing up in the street outside and the warning sounds (beep.... beep.... beep....) matched the pitch and the mood of the song perfectly, which I have to say was a very surreal moment. The song was "Shankill Butchers" - if you know anything about "the troubles" in Northern Ireland you may be familiar with the subject material. Having the end of a song about murderers be somewhat interrupted by a noise reminiscent of a heart beat emanating from a monitoring machine in a hospital was strange. Maybe it was that same effect as that character in The Tell Tale Heart... not that I'm harboring any guilt or anything. It was one of those moments you have when you are alone that make you stop, gaze out of the windows and think for a moment.

(e:jason) left for the Adirondacks so it has afforded me some time alone to get some things done. Last night I went back to Lagniappes for jambalaya and my luck was spectacular. Just as I walked in, the jambalaya was just coming out of the oven! The chef said to me, "you're not going to find fresher jambalaya anywhere around here!" Knowing that he was not telling a lie, I stood in silent anticipation. It was the shortest wait I've ever had there, which was merely a bonus in my mind, but nice nonetheless as I walked back to Mariner St. thinking I was the cat the got the cream.

After enjoying my favorite comfort food I watched No Country For Old Men.... well at least the first half of it. It was as if my eyelids were anchored down by cement blocks last night. I very much want to see the movie since it won multiple Academy Awards and is based faithfully on a novel written by Cormac McCarthy, an author that I'm reading currently (The Road, and later Blood Meridian). If you are on Facebook and you are my friend, you can check out my bookshelf. I try to keep it current because it is one of the few things I keep track of regularly. Facebook's captivating allure is lost on me - for me there really isn't much utility to the site.

Every month when the new copy of Spin arrives I sift for an hour and read it from front to back. The back end of the magazine is where you will find all of the music reviews and it is this section that I read with the most care. I read music reviews with a grain of salt, or in the case of Pitchfork, with an entire truckload of salt. When half of the music reviews get 3.5 stars only one of the following can be true. Either there really were a host of average albums for this month's issue, or the reviewers just don't have the courage to call a bad album a bad album. I also notice a very provincial attitude - I'm tired of reading about Brooklyn bands, half of which are absolute shit. In any case, there are some notables this month - Stereolab, Sigur Ros, Black Kids, The Hold Steady and a few others that I "question marked." Subscribing to Spin is one of the better media choices I've made in a while. I get a hell of a lot out of the magazine each month and occasionally they do have some brilliant spurts of rock journalism.
metalpeter - 08/03/08 10:26
I have to give you props for being able to read music reviews. For me they don't do anything. One of the problems is voice and sound. Say I like band A and they say Band B sounds just like them, that doesn't mean that band B sounds good to me. Some bands are great and some bands are shitty but how do they sound to the person listing to the music and what do you feel like listening to. I admit I don't get that much exposure to new music, so there are a lot of bands I have never heard of. An example of what I mean is Coldplay Yes (e:Tiny) I love coldplay, What ever you call there song and Chris Martins voice I really like, but if someone where to describe what they sounded like I would have never given them a chance.
tinypliny - 08/02/08 09:59
I recommend Diamond Head! It's funny you mention the beep-beeps matching pitch with the song you were listening to. This song: "Wild on the Streets" from their '93 album "Death and Progression" has sirens in the background - they even sing in tune!
:::link::: And it rocks!

07/30/2008 12:37 #45190

California - Earthquake Fodder
The Golden State is truly golden in many ways, but it is a statistical reality that in our lifetimes we will see an earthquake similar to the scale of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. How real is this reality? Take a look for yourself. Call me paranoid, but when I was in SF I was very conscious of the unstable earth beneath my feet. Californians seem to ignore the danger and rely greatly on their excellent warning systems, but there are inherent dangers to living in one of the most seismically active places on earth that are ignored at their certain peril. Living in California means that in many ways you have the best of things and the worst of things in America; Californians are quite accepting of that fact and live their lives without much concern for the inevitable. It is an interesting mindset and somewhat unique to this area of the country.

A book I've ranted and raved about, and suggest every single California resident read, is A Crack In The Edge Of The World, by Simon Winchester. The book is a historical study of the San Andreas fault, how settlers approached living through natural disasters, how dramatically such a seismically active area can affect the landscape, and most beautifully he recreates the morning of the "big one" using historical accounts from survivors. Mr. Winchester is an Oxford-trained geologist and an author of many excellent books - his writing style is captivating and engrossing. Why do I bring up the book? Because he studies the historical nonchalance with which Californians choose to approach any risks to living where they do. This mindset, according to Mr. Winchester, originated with the risk-averse settlers that put everything on the line to migrate to the mine fields in the mid-19th century. Also, he mentions something very, very prescient to current events.

Yesterday, southern California was struck with a magnitude 5.4 earthquake, the epicenter of which was a few miles east of downtown Los Angeles. In Winchester's book he mentions in particular that seismologists have undertaken revealing studies about how very seismically active areas often suffer smaller earthquakes before a much larger one. Lo and behold, today an article discusses the subject.

One of the most alarming facts of this situation I have found was from a different article in the SF Chronicle, which was special report regarding the exodus of the middle class in their fair city. SF residents are becoming a dramatically richer demographic as a result of high property values. Many regular folks simply can't afford to live where they work, and the statistics are alarming. The article is a good read in any case, but in particular I found this a very, very scary situation -

High housing prices are also a key reason that among 2,227 sworn police officers in San Francisco, only 675 live in the city, a little more than 30 percent, said Gary Delagnes, president of the San Francisco Police Officers Association.

The nightmare consequence of this would be an evening earthquake that shuts down BART and bridges, blocking two-thirds of the city's police officers and large percentages of other first responders from quickly attending to life-threatening building collapses, injuries or fires.



In other words, it is certain that a vast percentage of law enforcement and first responders will not be able to access the city during the time of its most vital need when an earthquake strikes. If you live in SF, you better think carefully about that. It seems apparent that if another massive quake hits the Bay Area that San Francisco may very well suffer just as badly, if not worse, than the city did in 1906 despite all of the better construction techniques and warning systems. If many first responders cannot access the city, how will a massive fire like North Beach suffered in 1906 be stopped? How can an orderly evacuation be conducted, if at all? What about triage? I hope their first responder plan is water tight despite what seems to be an alarming weakness. Part of the warning system relies on seismologists monitoring murmurs that indicate an earthquake is coming, but there is no way to predict exactly when an earthquake will strike.

The good news for ol' Frisco is that the area truly due for a big one is southern California. Los Angeles suffered an earthquake in the early 1800's that, based on survivors' accounts, was at least as severe if not more severe than the one that struck in 1906. La La Land is overdue, but in truth the San Andreas Fault could rupture anywhere and the scientists say that enough pressure has built up along the fault line to expect another big one within 30 years.

metalpeter - 08/02/08 14:35
Yes I know you aren't criticizing me Personaly. There is one thing that I should clarify a bit. There are some people who think the levy system was made bad on purpose and that there was no response because the people where poor and black and Bush hates those people, that is a step or two past what I think. Yes it is an jump to think that the response was slow because they where poor and black and that if they where white and rich or at least his kind of people That the Army would have been there the next day. I do know that there is red tape and the government moves slow but it shouldn't be that way. If an earth quake hits, there are 25 feet of snow, or some other natural diesater hits then the government some branch of the military needs to just step up. There shouldn't be "Well we have to see if it a national Diesater, then once it is then we can send people into help". It should also be about going to help not about giving the local people money to rebuild stuff. Go in there put troops (oh yeah I'm sorry there in a country that had nothing to do with an attack on us) there and get other feds there to help the locals and get people out (watch a movie and see how they do it there and get some ideas). I think since the feds do move slow the any city should have plans, so should each county and each state. I do think response to SF would be quicker (wait Bush doesn't like the gays so maybe it would be slower, but he likes baseball and they have a team but it isn't texas, kidding) but with how the feds move not quick enough so that is why local people have to come up with there own plans.

On a side Note I haven't been there since I was a young kid and it would be great to go back again. To bad you didn't get any Chocalate. I went to a trader Joes in Carolina and they had there own beer there, it seemed like a pretty nice place.
joshua - 08/02/08 11:38
(e:tiny) - you know, I stayed at a hotel in the Wharf, not too far from the Ghirardelli building. My last day I took some contraband down by the water, to watch the sun cast itself lower and lower off of the Golden Gate, Marin Co., and generally absorb the mountains and the beauty of it all. It was a really nice evening. I hated leaving - I had superlative after superlative for the city that I told (e:ajay), (e:twisted) and my friends that live there. I didn't get any chocolate though! I spent my time that evening eating at an Italian restaurant, walking down Columbus and back through the Wharf to a Trader Joe's, where I bought a bunch of snacks and juice, then back to the hotel where I watched KQED for the night. They show a lot more partisan stuff on their public TV.

(e:peter) - Hey man, I'm not criticizing you for having an opinion. I think you know that. It's well thought out. I'm just saying that I've heard these things in the past and feel that it is a lot of supposition. I think we got caught with our pants down in a major way in a disaster that many said was inevitable. It was only inevitable that the poorest among the citizens would have the hardest time in a disaster like that, and I think it would be true regardless of where the disaster occurred. I visited NO a year after Katrina happened - I saw exactly what happened to the city because we drove through those poor neighborhoods. Seeing many black people suffering live on TV stirred up a lot of racial bitterness that has always been seething - then people say "well if it were white people this would have never happened!" We don't know that! That is absolutely bogus and I reject that kind of supposition. People have to remember, EVERYBODY suffered greatly in that region of the country and it doesn't help that this particular region is bar none amongst the poorest in the USA. People are almost equating the response to Katrina as some kind of genocide that the government intentionally reacted slowly to fix - that is absolutely insane. The single greatest embarrassment that Katrina laid bare as proof was that the richest country the world has ever seen has little capability to protect its most vulnerable when a disaster occurs. White, black, brown, whatever - that is a scary thought for all of us.
metalpeter - 08/02/08 10:39
Here is what I believe is the truth. Bush is an idiot (well he like most people listen to he advisers so it isn't all on him) but the current adminestration has been so inempt for years that maybe if it was rich white people they would have got there a day sooner. But what that still comes down to is people not caring. What should have happened is the military shouldn't have waited some one should have been a man and called his buddies and said we are going to help and done something. The fact is in this country there is a class war going on in this country where the poor get poorer and the rich get richer (yes some rich people care and do help out the poor). But most people only care about there own. Now maybe if there something awefull in SF what ever plans they have will get people there in a day instead of 3. In terms of New Orleans why would any body care, no really why would they. When people go visit they go to The French part to party not to go see the poor people but that is true in any city. So if most people don't care why should the government. There was bad planning there because people in power didn't care. Hopefully people in SF and the government care more and have better plans and if something does happen there caring will get them their faster.
tinypliny - 08/02/08 10:19
Totally flippant comment (and you can't really expect anything else from me) but I think the Bay Area Rapid Folders (BARF) alone make SFO worth living in (not to mention the ban on plastic bags and legal gay marriage). I would totally not mind being killed by an earthquake while I am folding one of Kawahata's complicated insects and drinking Ghirardelli chocolate out of a non-plastic biodegradable cup! ;-)
joshua - 08/02/08 10:10
I am not suggesting that they do not have plans in place, (e:tiny) - what I am suggesting is that they are inherently inadequate for various reasons, some of the most important of which they have absolutely no control over. They can have all the earthquake awareness sessions they want in SF, but the potential damage and loss of life will dwarf any previous U.S. natural disaster by many degrees. Interestingly enough there was a special on two nights ago on History Intl. that dealt with this very subject, with Mr. Winchester participating. They seem inclined to think that if another quake hits SF the city is absolutely doomed because there are far more residents and far more gas lines that will start thousands of fires across the city in combination with lack of access, not to mention that the city of SF itself has no statistics on how many buildings in the city are actually quakeproof. With 2/3 of the city's first responders having no access to the city in the event of a quake that is a serious problem. In the end, SF was an incredibly stupid yet incredibly beautiful place to build a city.

So far I think (e:sara) has the most logical explanation for the mindset - the bigger events are so spread apart that the risk seems minimal in the context of time. I suppose the frequency is tempered with the eventual scale of the disaster. Quakes are just one problem that Californians deal with - mudslides, droughts, power grid issues (brought upon entirely by themselves, I might add), but it is clear that people work through it because of the greatness of everything else.

(e:peter) - I'm not buying the racial/economical crap. I knew someone was going to go there.
tinypliny - 08/02/08 09:44
Its an interesting question, but despite being aware that motor vehicles are the top cause of accidental death in this country (http://hazmat.dot.gov/riskmgmt/riskcompare.htm) how many of the people have stopped driving their cars? The point is risk-taking is an inherent part of life. You are taking a risk the minute you are born. It's part of surviving. What emergency plans are in place, you ask? How do you know that they are not in place? Many workplaces in and around the Bay area have an earthquake preparedness sessions at least once every year. My brother has an earthquake-prepared backpack that was given out by his workplace. I trip on it every time I visit him because he insists on keeping it right by the door. They were apparently taught to run out with the backpack the minute they felt a violent jolt.
metalpeter - 07/30/08 19:10
I think that SF, LA and lot of places in CA have a big advantage over New Orleans. The people in that state are cared about. I have never been to New Orleans but people where warned (that isn't new) then buses and people with cars left. The people who didn't or couldn't leave where poor black people who lived in poor black areas (not all mostly) yes there where some whites and they where poor to. But when you are poor no one cares, when you are black no one cares, when you don't have the means to leave, no one cares. I will admit that there is a lot of red tape in government. But I think if that flood would have hit Miami Beach or maybe south beach the reaction would have been much different. I think if any major City in SF where hit (yes people would die who shouldn't still) I think the federal and State Governments and maybe even military from that state would mobilize a lot quicker.
iriesara - 07/30/08 17:10
I would be interseted in reading that book, though for sure.
iriesara - 07/30/08 17:10
A few things...

as a NY-tranplant living in Southern California, I have felt exactly one earthquake in 7 years, and at the time, I could've sworn someone ran into the garages under my apartment with their car - a big "bang" and the room swayed..that's about it.

Some of my friends here in the office felt a bit yesterday, while I, who sit 100 feet away, felt nothing.

I know a few people here who have lived through very bad earthquakes in other areas of California, and of course it's a crazy horrific terrible thing.

I'm still waiting though. I always tend to get a little pissed when I don't feel it. Not that I want the Big One, but fuck!

In regards to post-911 NY activity, and granted I was not in NYC when that happened, but it seemed to me that things didn't exactly go smoothly at first, and that first responders absolutely did have a hard time getting to ground zero. What are you gonna do? That's life.

You also note in your comment that "some things are impossible to plan for" and that's just it. As regular citizens we can do our best. As City planners and emergency preparedness crews we can do our best, but you can't plan for everything. That's where faith comes in, but that's just my opinion.

Of course, and this is the real impetus of my comment, it never ceases to amaze me how people who have lived here (CA) their whole lives, and who have experienced semi-serious earthquakes don't worry about it one bit. When I tell them I'm from Buffalo, they look at me like 1) what a poor soul, and 2) I must be crazy. When I tell them I miss the weather, I must be crazy. Their whole thing is that Buffalo winter is sure to come every year, whereas you could have a good 10, 20, 30 years with no even quasi-serious earhquake, so to them it's a no-brainer. You will probably have the same gut-reaction I did at first (well, fuck, at least I won't die with my fucking house on top of my head, gosh, put on some gloves, you'll be fine). But, seriously, you're right, it's not thought about that much at all in terms of fear.

The bottom line, I think, is that people become accustomed to what they know. Talk to old people in Buffalo and that's the first they say about living in Californa - EARTHQUAKES!!! Just about anyone I know here would much rather deal with that risk occasionally than have the surety of a shitty winter.

I'm somewhere in between...take it as it comes, whaddya gonna do?
joshua - 07/30/08 14:33
I was blown away with SF when I visited. Anybody that has read my journal knows I've been highly critical of their public servants and public policy, but as far as the city goes, it is an interesting, dynamic and diverse place, not to mention the natural beauty that surrounds the area. Before I left, I wrote in my journal at the time - "SF I was wrong about you!" My interest in the subject started when I visited SF in January - I was introduced to the book I've referred to by a friend in SF, who was very passionate about how good the book was. Having been there at the time I drew a great deal of inspiration and appreciated the book a lot, and it lead me to learn more about the history of the state and how governments in the area prepare for earthquakes.

In other words, it is complicated! I love the state of California and feel as if it is a second home, and the more I have learned the more concerned I've become regarding what might happen if another big quake struck in a densely populated area. New Orleans didn't have the amount of complications that SF would in the event of a natural disaster. Katrina proved that we had our pants down in a major way, and I worry about the fact that despite learning as much as we can from our mistakes that a disaster in the Bay Area could be just as ugly, if not worse. First responders would make the difference between life or death for many if a big quake hit... could you imagine 9/11 with limited triage and limited ability to maintain law and order at the outset? That is a serious concern if it is true that a large majority of public servants in SF do not actually live there.

The place and the people are magic and I don't want to see people die as a result of something that *might* have been prevented. I want to live there one day as well, which affects my interest. I'm not saying that their plans are inadequate - I'm just saying that some things are impossible to plan for, and when a vulnerability comes to light people should know about it.
janelle - 07/30/08 13:12
Interesting topic.

More interesting is your passion on the subject.

Where did it come from?