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02/21/2008 14:18 #43416

fascinating!
Category: dead people
You ever notice how cemeteries never seem to fill up? People die all the damn time, but there's always huge amounts of empty space in cemeteries. So I asked.

From: (e:zobar)
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:22 AM
To: flc@forest-lawn.com
Subject: Where does everybody go?

I think this is weird: people are dying all the time, but cemeteries never seem to get any fuller. Forest Lawn has been around for over 150 years, but there's still some pretty large sections that are totally empty. I know these are kind of weird questions, but: Where do you put everybody? About how long do you estimate before Forest Lawn is full? And then what?

curiously,
- Z



From: Betty Boyd
Date: Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:59 PM
Subject: FW: Where does everybody go?
To: (e:zobar)

Thank you very much for your interest in our Forest Lawn cemetery.

Currently we have 155,069 permanent residents buried here at Forest Lawn. We estimate to have burial space for at least 50 years or more.

Each of our full size graves allow for one casket burial and one cremated body burial, or two cremated body burials.

We also have available above ground burial space in our mausoleums. (this also conserves land space).

Forest Lawn was the first cemetery in our area to build a community mausoleum, and we are very proud of that. Our newest mausoleum is Serenity. We have crypts for caskets and niches for cremated bodies available.

We are always looking out for our future needs.

When anything is sold here, burial space, grave stone markers, benches, urns, crypts niches and the, a portion of the purchase price includes monies that have to be transferred to our permanent maintenance fund. We are regulated by the NYS division of cemeteries, and we must make this transfer. This will allow for the long term maintenance of the grounds and our facilities.

When we have no room left for burial space, we will then be somewhat like a museum. Folks will always have this beautiful park like place called Forest Lawn to visit, share memories, enjoy the nature, the art pieces and monuments left as legacy to be remembered by.

If you have any other questions, contact me anytime.

Have a good day.

Betty Boyd
Your Representative
Forest Lawn Cemeteries
1411 Delaware Avenue
Buffalo, NY 14209
716-885-1600



On the one hand, it's a little weird that they refer to their customers as 'permanent residents,' but on the other hand I kind of dig it. So if they average about 1,000 new permanent residents every year, the total capacity for their 269 acres is around 200,000. That means they average about 60 sq ft per person, which is a lot more than I was expecting. [Much of that is landscaping and roads, but still.] So Forest Lawn is filling up at the rate of 160 sq ft per day, which is 10'x16' - kind of a lot, but not really noticeable when there's 60 acres to spare.

My name is Dave, and I am a weirdo who emails people to ask them stupid questions about their jobs.

- Z
fellyconnelly - 02/22/08 09:51
good question and a great job searching for the answers!
drew - 02/21/08 17:47
I think given the number of people who have died on this planet, we are already vulnerable to zombie attack. That's why zombies are so scary.
carolinian - 02/21/08 17:40
150,000+ is more than half the population of Buffalo. If more people leave, there will eventually be more dead people in buffalo than living. And then we'll all be vulnerable to zombie attack.
jenks - 02/21/08 17:20
wow, apparently I have a lot to say on this topic, but I'll try to make this my last comment.

In italy (and probably elsewhere) where there are a lot of catholics and not a lot of holy ground to use for cemetary space, apparently when you buy a plot, you only get it for 10 years or something like that. After ten years they dig you up, and put your bones in a smaller box, and re-bury them in a smaller spot. Then re-use your original grave.

How efficient!
jenks - 02/21/08 17:17
I've had a few people ask for their parts back. Or at least to see them. We can show them, but we're not allowed (by law) to give them back. I think it's an infection control issue. But I guess they USED to give people their gallstones back all the time, and grossly enough, it was not all that uncommon for people to make them into jewelry. Mmmmmm. Gallstone earrings. That's some style right there.
zobar - 02/21/08 16:05
That's me in a nutshell - tackling the important issues facing Buffalo every day.

I've always thought that whenever they remove one of your body parts they should give it back to you. I mean, it totally belongs to you but they don't even ask you before they throw it in a garbage bag full of human organs and mail it to the dog food factory. But it was sort of a half-baked idea because I don't know what you'd do with your former organs. Now I do: put them in the pile with all your other dead body parts. Makes sense to me.

- Z
jbeatty - 02/21/08 15:40
I wonder how many temporary residents they have???
ladycroft - 02/21/08 15:20
You know, I had the same thought every single day I peddled my bike through there on my way to work/school. Now I know! Thanks for investigating.
jenks - 02/21/08 15:05
I love that place. And I'm not a goth-y, "cemetary person". But have you noticed that, just like in the real world, there are the nice "neighborhoods" and the less-nice ones? I wonder if you pay more to be by the pond, vs next to the road, etc.

And a total hijack- a guy at work was saying we spend so much on our burial plots, and worry about where they are, etc-- he thinks we should use them MORE. And he suggests than any time you "lose" a body part (a tooth, your appendix, a tumor, etc) you should bury it in your grave. So you can go visit your grave and enjoy the precious view you paid for, while you're alive. And then when you die, just put the rest in there. A reunion of sorts. I think I kind of like the idea.

02/20/2008 23:45 #43412

old business/new business
Category: redux
Old business:

(e:zobar,42527) Taylor pork rolls are available at Wegman's/Niagara Falls Blvd for $6.19/lb. In New Jersey you could buy four slices at a time if you wanted to [which is just about all I could eat, like, in my entire life] but up here this is the only size you can get. They look pretty gross but thin-sliced and pan-fried they're actually pretty decent.
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(e:zobar,42927) 'Unintelligible' = Antony and the Johnsons. What the fuck is this?

New Business:

I've got a yeasty ecosystem on top of my fridge and it's freaking me out! Somebody at work gave me Herman - she didn't want to throw him out because he's sort of alive. I've heard he makes good coffeecake and waffles. But by Sunday I'll have some offspring that I also don't want to throw out - anybody want some?

- Z
jbeatty - 02/21/08 15:48
Oh sweet! I am totally going out to get some pork roll this weekend.
jenks - 02/21/08 13:53
i can't decide if that yeast starter is super-cool... or super-scary.

02/06/2008 11:33 #43211

x-treme cagefighting
Category: bloodsport
Out at the bar last night, Extreme Cagefighting came on the TV. I'd never really watched it before. A couple dudes in a cage throw a couple punches, then they start rolling around on the ground together. The bartender came up, looked at the TV for a minute and said huh, looks like prison sex. Then he changed the channel.

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Chita Rivera is a lover and a fighter. She does this thing every morning when I get out of the shower, where she'll be sitting on my towel all cute-like, and when I go to pet her belly she kicks my naked wet ass. She'll pull my hand in with her front claws and bite my fingers, all the while kicking my forearm with her back claws. This is not cool. So I'm really proud that I managed to come up with a kitty submission hold where she can't scratch me long enough that I can get my towel. If I put my hand across her chest right under her front legs, she can't reach me with her front legs, it's too high up for her back legs, and too close to her chin to bite. [nb: This also makes her really mad.]

- Z

paul - 02/16/08 18:19
I read this as "I go to pet her belly she licks my naked wet ass." and thought, whoa, where is this going till I realized it was kick not lick.

One time (e:terry) kept surfing youtube related videos until he stumbled upon a whole set of ones that were extreme fighting like this, accept the winner won, not by pushing the loser out of the circle or whatever - but by making them pass out via strangulation. It was insane - for some reason I cannot find it now. Maybe they got rid of the videos.

Somehow this :::link::: is what I got when searching, "fight till strangulation youtube" on google.
metalpeter - 02/06/08 18:09
That is not the only league of cage fighting the UFC is more famous at least in the US I guess. I haven't seen any of this league. But each fight is different in mixed Martial arts. Some fights wind up being allot of ground work where they go for submissions and then some are lots of stand up fighting. Different people have different styles and it depends on who is better and how they work each other.
drew - 02/06/08 11:40
When Tatanka would bite me, I would press my hand into the bite. It's counter-intuitive, but it works! (on animals AND people!)

02/16/2008 17:38 #43364

dave don't eat it!
Category: food
Thursday night we were invited over to a coworker's house for a cocktail party and had a wonderful time. Sitting on the table among all their decadent homemade desserts was a bowl of Russian chocolates, sticking out like Roger Moore at a Sean Connery convention. Forget the chocolate-raspberry torte, I'm going straight for the 'Krasnyj Oktyabr.' Perhaps some day I should learn Russian, as that would have raised a bright red flag. Rule for living: confectioners should not be named after Communist revolutions, and Red October is no exception. The only word on any of the wrappers I could puzzle out was 'Konfety,' but I guess it actually means 'candy.' Go figure. Here's their full catalog, if you're interested .

Alenka
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OK, he didn't have any of these but I really dig the illustration. You get an idea of the challenges here: there's no possible way of knowing what's inside based solely on the wrapper. 'Alenka,' by the way, is a character in an obscure Cossack myth which translates best as 'hell-baby.' Beats me why you'd name a candy after that.


Zolotoe sufle apelsinovoe
'The Golden Orange Souffle'

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This was an unusually informative wrapper, as was the one with a big pineapple on it. Considering that the places where you find oranges and pineapples growing are pretty much the opposite of Moscow, even I didn't have enough faith in the Russian science program to reproduce their flavor. Next!

Rakobye shejki
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Thank you, Google Language Tools - you bring me more joy than you could ever possibly imagine.

Korovka
'Little Cow'

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We all agreed this one was definitely not chocolate. Somebody said, 'maybe it's like a Bit-O-Honey.' Sure, or maybe it's like granulated Bit-O-Honey with a strong margarine aftertaste. Funny, I never felt that was missing from the original.

Krasnaya shapochka
'Red Cap'

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You know how a little while ago they started making biodegradable packing peanuts out of soy? They don't really taste like much, and it turns out that melting a Swiss Cake Roll over them doesn't really improve the situation.

Bolshebnaya flejta
'Magic Flute'

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This was the only one I couldn't finish. I'll cut the suspense: it is chocolate filled with sweetened wet sand. I said as much, and although I couldn't see this being in any way compelling, (e:dragonlady7) wanted a bite. I don't know if she didn't believe me or what. Then the host came by and asked what it tasted like. 'Wet sand,' we said. He took another piece from the bowl, bit into it and exclaimed, 'that's astonishing!' [but not in a good way]. He theorized that in the depths of a very long, very dark St Petersburg winter, perhaps this might remind you of that vacation you took on the Crimean, when you got sand in your teeth. Maybe that's a pleasant memory for you, and maybe this candy is all you need to take you back to that special time. I sure hope so, because otherwise this is some really ill shit.

- Z
jenks - 02/17/08 13:54
MmmmMMmmm! Neck Cancer!
james - 02/17/08 13:38
The lobster one is tops! Tops!

02/05/2008 13:15 #43192

move bitch!! get out the way!
Category: politics
So locally it looks like the Obamists got out earlier with their campaign signs but the Clintonites used their late arrival to their advantage - all up and down Delaware Ave there's a Clinton sign posted three inches directly in front of every Obama sign. Do people really look at these signs and say, you know what? I was going to vote for Obama but I see someone's stuck a Clinton sign in front of it, so maybe she'll be a better leader of the free world. Or, my favorite, there's always the dense cluster outside the polling place, as close as is legally possible, because you'd get out of your snuggy bed, put on your coat and shoes, leave the house, and go to your assigned polling place without having already made your decision.

They're saying that since I'm not registered as a Democrat or Republican that I can't vote in the primary today. Fuck that shit, I say.

Everybody enjoy a good protest? Says something weird about our generation that we're protesting against Tom Cruise harder than we're protesting against the war, but I can't disagree that he's a total asshat. It's close enough to RPCI, you guys should stop by and hang out. If we covered their protest, do you think they'd stop hanging out in our office?

From: buffalo anon <buffaloanon@gmail.com>
Subject: Demonstration against Scientology in Buffalo

I am writing to request that you cover an upcoming demonstration against of the Church of Scientology in Buffalo. The demonstration will be held on February 10th at 11AM at their Main St location in coordination with with similar protests outside of every church of Scientology around the world.

More information regarding this day of protest can be found in recent media coverage in the Guardian and the Economist.





I feel that the protest is especially relevant to Western New York since it is here in 2003 that the Perkins tragedy occurred.



The Church of Scientology is a dangerous cult that destroys lives, tears apart families, and can be harmful to its members mental and physical health. Church members are not allowed to remain in personal contact with anyone who speaks against their church or their founder or who seeks medical care they do not permit, a rule which has destroyed families as people end contact with their parents, children, and siblings in order to remain in the cult.

Again, I ask that you consider covering both the global movement against Scientology as well as the local protest on Sunday.

Regards,
Anonymous



- Z
joshua - 02/05/08 18:10
Oh and I forgot - perhaps you may not have been aware but "Anonymous" is a loose group of individuals, many of whom are hackers, and the whole Tom Cruise/Scientology protest (and also successful DDoS attacks on every Scientology related site of note on the planet) was organized by this group... who refer to themselves as Anonymous. It began as a response to YouTube taking down the Tom Cruise video where he explains his beliefs about Scientology... he proceeded to look like a complete lunatic. Feel free to search YouTube for "Anonymous Scientology" in case you weren't aware of anything I just said... in a way its creepy. The Feb. 10 date was picked for a worldwide Scientology protest.
joshua - 02/05/08 14:30
Today I think I'm going to vote for Ron Paul, although really its simply a protest vote. I don't actually think Ron Paul is a sane person.