So as a pastor, I serve all kinds of people. It's one of the joys of the job, working with people way to the left of me and way to the right, richer and poorer (both by quite a bit, it seems) creative and/or analytical, believers and non-, you name the "genre" of person, and they are likely part of the Elmwood Village--and thus my "parish" if not my congregation (which though small, contains a wide/weird sampling of Buffalo---and I can call us weird because I love weird).
While I love the diversity of "my parish," it seems like every pastor also ends up serving a particular population more. Dan Kimball is the only Rockabilly pastor I know of. Mark Driscoll is all about macho culture. Bill Hybels is good with Chicagoland executives, and Joel Osteen is for people that need mediocre jokes and positive thinking.
There is one "type" of person that I spend more of my time talking with than all others combined. He'she is the one on who has either been directly hurt by the church or severely disappointed with it.
The causes of the hurt may include (but are not limited to):
asking the wrong question
listening to the wrong teacher
hanging out with the wrong people
wearing the wrong clothes
liking the wrong music
voting the wrong candidate/party
liking the wrong people
being too happy
being too sad
not volunteering enough
taking over everything
questioning the status quo
questioning militarism
questioning theology
questioning a pastor/teacher/small group leader
just about any excuse will do if you are "different."
What's worse, many Christians, when the church turns on us, have nobody else to turn to. We wend up very alone.
I know that Christians are supposed to love one another and build each other up, but just today I met with four different people that were broken by the church (that I am aware of--could be more) Sure, it was an above average day--but there are still a lot of us out there. (I myself have received an evangelical "shunning" before--and I'm a regular Charlie Church!)
So with all the hurt people I've seen, perhaps there should be some specialized help, right?
But I don't know of a community out there with this particular calling/gift. Do you?
The biggest reason that this bunch does not exist is that such a community would be a gathering of Christians which is exactly what each individual has learned (through sad experience) to avoid.
But it is also the thing we crave the most. We want community--it just doesn't feel safe.
We hurt people need to know that they are not alone. We need (excuse the cliche) to tell our stories, and to know that there are people that won't hurt/hate/exclude them for whatever it was that led to them being hurt by/thrown out of their church. (Again, please forgive me if I sound like Oprah--I've been thinking about this all day, and it is late).
It seems to me that such a gathering would have to be loosely organized, but with strict rules, sort of like AA. No set leaders, but agreed upon rules that are known to be helpful for healing (and to prevent the behaviors that caused the problems in the first place). These rules would be especially needed because people that had hurt each other would likely eventually end up in the same group.
I know--strict rules are part of what may have driven us out of church. I'm not talking about a dress code. I'm talking about rules like "listen first."
As I see it, the rules would hold us to our purpose--healing for people hurt by church. (Nothing against other problems of the world out there--but this is a big enough problem to require a singular focus).
So I guess I have three questions.
1. Do you see the same need that I do?
2. Would you be willing to be a part of this group?
3. What do you think would be appropriate rules for the gathering?
If you are "out" as a hurt Christian (or the close relative--a frustrated Christian who can't find a church that has room for him/her), you may respond in the comments section, but if you would answer better anonymously, please send an email to drew@elmwoodjesus.org or a direct message.
Drew's Journal
My Podcast Link
02/05/2010 01:23 #50971
Recovering from Church?01/06/2010 09:25 #50755
See Yinz laterCategory: football
01/01/2010 13:59 #50711
New YearI usually don't make a deal about the New Year, but today, I have already kept up a number of goals I have set for the New Year.
I've prayed a psalm, and the Jesus prayer (spiritual goals)
I've written for 30 minutes (not an every day goal, just 3 times a week)
I haven't eaten fast food (I get once a month). I still have to exercise 30 minutes, but I might save that for another day (also only 3x a week).
Sorry about missing the party. Sounds like it was great. (e:Janelle) and I had a nice night at home.
I've prayed a psalm, and the Jesus prayer (spiritual goals)
I've written for 30 minutes (not an every day goal, just 3 times a week)
I haven't eaten fast food (I get once a month). I still have to exercise 30 minutes, but I might save that for another day (also only 3x a week).
Sorry about missing the party. Sounds like it was great. (e:Janelle) and I had a nice night at home.
12/23/2009 23:22 #50645
Phone help.Ok, so I am always about 2 generations behind tech-wise. You can make fun of me, but I think this can work--with a bit of help.
I have the EnV phone, thanks to a generous friend who upgraded (thanks!), and a prepaid service (Page Plus) that lets me talk and text on the Verizon network.
The browser needs to be changed so that it goes through a different Proxy. Verizon set up the phones so that I couldn't change it easily, but THIS forum tells us how to re-program the phone.
The problem?
1. I don't think I am even smart enough to follow the directions it gives.
2. I don't have the cord that connects the phone to a computer.
Soooo--can any of my super-cool friends help me out? I will gladly trade any theological insight you might need (I wish I had a more marketable skill to trade. I can always purchase beverages for you though)
I have the EnV phone, thanks to a generous friend who upgraded (thanks!), and a prepaid service (Page Plus) that lets me talk and text on the Verizon network.
The browser needs to be changed so that it goes through a different Proxy. Verizon set up the phones so that I couldn't change it easily, but THIS forum tells us how to re-program the phone.
The problem?
1. I don't think I am even smart enough to follow the directions it gives.
2. I don't have the cord that connects the phone to a computer.
Soooo--can any of my super-cool friends help me out? I will gladly trade any theological insight you might need (I wish I had a more marketable skill to trade. I can always purchase beverages for you though)
limerickslady - 02/05/10 12:05
We have been talking much about this same issue. You should check this out, I think they are onto something. www.tapestryofhope.com
We have been talking much about this same issue. You should check this out, I think they are onto something. www.tapestryofhope.com
himay - 12/31/09 14:16
Wish I had that cord for the phone. I would have hacked it a long time ago, and then you would have been much better off with the new and improved version of it! ;)
I'm cool with the techy stuff, I just never had the hardware for it. I can take a stab at it (if you want) whenever you get the video camera back to me.
Wish I had that cord for the phone. I would have hacked it a long time ago, and then you would have been much better off with the new and improved version of it! ;)
I'm cool with the techy stuff, I just never had the hardware for it. I can take a stab at it (if you want) whenever you get the video camera back to me.
mrmike - 12/24/09 10:09
Verizon may even do it. The sprint store has occasionally helped me system upgrades and there may be an automatic one in the phone. Take a look under settings.
Verizon may even do it. The sprint store has occasionally helped me system upgrades and there may be an automatic one in the phone. Take a look under settings.
12/11/2009 15:33 #50539
Tokyo Shanghai Bistro//Hu'sCategory: food
Went today, around 1:30. There was no buffet. The chinese food tasted ok (I had hot and spicy shrimp, that wasn't too spicy and was too sweet), but it only contained four average size shrimp. FOUR! The hot and sour soup, however, tasted great. (e:Janelle) had a bento box and it looked a lot nicer. I am definitely going to do Japanese if I visit again there is no buffet.
Afterwards, we stopped at Hu's discount store. It is my new favorite store. Everything is affordable there. I wish I had my picture phone (will again in January), I would share pictures of cheap wires, the aforementioned four shrimp, and the tights that had jeans painted on them.
I wanted to buy shoes and sharpies and underwear and cleaning supplies, and luggage but I held back, because I didn't really need any of them and they will still be cheap when I need them.
jbeatty - 12/12/09 09:48
I'm kinda curious about that place. Janice Okun gave it two stars and The Downtowner reviewer gave it 4 stars. Four shrimp in hot and spicy shrimp sounds closer to two stars.
I'm kinda curious about that place. Janice Okun gave it two stars and The Downtowner reviewer gave it 4 stars. Four shrimp in hot and spicy shrimp sounds closer to two stars.
tinypliny - 12/11/09 18:44
WHY, it is in the HOOD! Why haven't I been there yet. MUST. MAKE. AMENDS!
WHY, it is in the HOOD! Why haven't I been there yet. MUST. MAKE. AMENDS!
mrmike - 12/11/09 18:40
Tiny, right next to the shanghai bistro on Elmwood, near avenue pizza.
Tiny, right next to the shanghai bistro on Elmwood, near avenue pizza.
tinypliny - 12/11/09 15:47
And where exactly is this magical store? I totally want tights with jeans painted on them.
And where exactly is this magical store? I totally want tights with jeans painted on them.
Nice Post. I don't really have anything to ad other then it sounds like a very good idea.
response in progress. :)
To answer the questions, yes, the need is definitely there. People leave churches all the time. I think it stems from some folks tend to be guarded about their worshipping atmosphere and that can be almost clique-ish. Something I think is sort of oft-putting. It sounds like UUCB's small group ministry.
I would come to something along those lines. I actually did for a time. Often that can bring things to light easier than the service
Rules might be along the lines of listen here, what is talked about here stays here, stuff like.