Over the past few weeks or so, I have been finding out what size I am or rather the numerous sizes my clothes need to be to remotely "fit" me in some way.
In Delhi, I am an XL for some shirts or an 80-85 or some weird European size in some arbitrary scale that the dressmaker invented while getting sloshed. Here in Buffalo, I am apparently Petite. Okay, that sounds reasonable. But I am also:
-- 3/5 short for trousers in the juniors (teens) section
-- 3/5 short for jeans in the juniors section (I like jeans with a looser fit, -- 3-short somewhat fits me but would be uncomfortable over a day of wearing)
-- 2 for tops in the women's section (this is baggy and they don't go any smaller).
-- Petite-Small-Extra-Small (not Average or large) for tops in the petite-women section
-- 2/4 for shorts/trousers in the women's section
-- 2/4 for jeans in the women's section
And none of the busts or lengths on any of these tops or trousers ever fit me. If they do, they are in the "girls" section - but then my hips don't fit. To make things even more fun, sizing varies among brands and in-store lines. I don't fit petite trousers at all - they are 7-10 inches too tall for me. Worse fits are regular women's trousers/jeans -- they are sometimes a full feet (and maybe a half) longer than I am.
Does it mean that the average woman here is well over 5'7-5'10 and has a bust of around 55 inches? I don't see many such individuals on the street. Who are these people tailoring clothes for? I see tons of women who are around 5' to 5'4". Where do these women shop? Do they all have enough money for tailoring/alterations or own sewing machines - because I never see them rolling up their cuffs or trousers like I am forced to.
I am completely baffled by sizing and fatigued with shopping. I could easily wear the clothes I currently own for the rest of my life, had it not been for the fact that work requires me to dress-up from the rather hobo-like frayed faded ill-fitting clothes I have been wearing over the past four years. I could also easily have brought my wardrobe back to Buffalo but I am not sure the wild colours, embroidery and mirrors I used to wear would be street-safe here.
I think I unconsciously stare in horror and fascination at people who say they love clothes-shopping. How could anyone possibly enjoy shopping if they are not 6' tall and have a 55" bust or have an incredibly small hip size? Or maybe I am just an alien mutant.
EDIT: I scrutinized a lot more sizing charts and I think I am a 2 Petite and unusually short. Good to know I am a pygmy even among petite people. Dockers metro trousers in a 2-Petite-Short with an "ideal fit" or a "curvy fit" almost fit me - except that the waist is a bit larger. As for tops, I am almost a 4 petite extra-small to small. Even by this measure my bust and waist are a whole inch or two smaller but my hips are almost fine but not really. :/
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11/15/2009 22:03 #50314
Sizes and why I hate clothes-shopping.Category: whine
10/25/2009 21:00 #50118
Yeh hai Dilli, meri jaan!Category: tourism
<3 <3 <3 I am coming home to you! <3 <3 <3
jim - 10/30/09 09:33
Have fun!
Have fun!
heidi - 10/29/09 22:43
Aren't you there yet? We're anxiously awaiting your posts!
(really, live while you're there... posting when you get home is preferable to losing any time with your family and country by blogging!)
Aren't you there yet? We're anxiously awaiting your posts!
(really, live while you're there... posting when you get home is preferable to losing any time with your family and country by blogging!)
metalpeter - 10/27/09 19:33
not sure when you are going but I hope it is a great time, oh yeah and you take pictures and share them on here.
not sure when you are going but I hope it is a great time, oh yeah and you take pictures and share them on here.
tinypliny - 10/25/09 23:41
Thanks! :-)
Thanks! :-)
heidi - 10/25/09 22:48
looking forward to frequent dispatches! safe travels!
looking forward to frequent dispatches! safe travels!
uncutsaniflush - 10/25/09 22:01
bon voyage!
bon voyage!
janelle - 10/25/09 21:16
Oh, my. I'm so jealous. Next time you go, can I come?
Oh, my. I'm so jealous. Next time you go, can I come?
10/25/2009 19:16 #50114
It's...It's Stella. She was just popped!Category: art
Man. I have smashed so many bubblewraps over the years and maniacally jumped on many! This totally changes everything. Hahahaha
jenks - 10/26/09 16:42
haha, awesome.
haha, awesome.
10/24/2009 15:02 #50094
Dan Pink on Motivation.Category: science
Something to think about.
Funny thing is, did you exclaim, "But I knew that already (but never thought so much about it)!" after the video ended? Didn't you?!
Funny thing is, did you exclaim, "But I knew that already (but never thought so much about it)!" after the video ended? Didn't you?!
10/18/2009 20:25 #50049
Food in the time of FluCategory: eating in
Admit it! First you were afraid, nay, you were petrified whether you would survive the flu if it hit you point blank, correct? Well, your can lay those fears to rest. You will survive with the help of food and tea. Cue the music, because I present:
To recuperate from the obnoxious flu I had over the past week, I cooked like a maniac (and ate with a matching attitude) to beat the sickly virus.
Globe Grapes in a cloud of vanilla yogurt blended with frozen blueberries. That was really the last of my frozen blueberry stash. I am kind of sad that I ate them like the greedy grasshopper and now there are no blueberry-hoarding ants I can steal frozen blueberries from.
Pongal with light cauliflower saute and tomato-pepper rasam. Every time I make this, I invariably tweak something and the taste of the rasam flows down uncharted and sometimes blah territories. Being sick has its advantages because I was too clouded to think of new tweaks so I stuck with the traditional recipe and this came out perfect. But oh my, the rasam was so hot, I think it burned all the weenies out of my lungs and maybe some of my normal cells. But it was so worth the collateral damage.
Imitation Chinese soup with cauliflower, carrots, bell peppers, zucchini, bok choy, tomatoes and whatever else was in the fridge. The chopsticks are a sham because I don't really know how to eat with them. I tried, but it made my flu-tinged annoyance worse and I ended up breaking them into two in miscalculated blind rage.
I was interested in trying veggies the (e:Paul) way. So these are just bell peppers, carrots and broccoli sauteed very lightly in olive oil with cumin and garlic topped with squeezed with fresh lime juice. It tasted awesome and the texture was crunchy and to-die-for, but I couldn't smell anything that day so I am withholding judgement on whether I really wanted to die for the texture or not.
I think this is my favourite combination for a pizza at home - Whole wheat pita bread topped with some strong wisconsin cheese, red onion slices, tomatoes-on-the-vine, bell peppers, red chilli powder and salt and baked till the pita is crisp like a biscuit, in the oven. I went overboard trying to get a crisp crust so I burned a wee bit of the toppings. My snot-ridden brain thankfully gave me a timely warning and I took it out before it could smoulder into a total charcoal-y disaster.
Oh, and this last one is my formerly-yucky-but-now-fantastic keyboard getting a thorough detergent scrub and disinfection. I threw away the useless insert key when I put it all back together.
If I added up all the minutes I have wasted because of that stupid key, who knows, I might get a day of my life back. No more "insert" anarchy!
Happy week ahead, y'all. Keep away from people who are sneezing and sniffling, because if you do, you may need to spend the week in a snot-cloud, coughing and sick. On the upside, if you do get the flu, you can always look at this journal and do some inspired cooking. I also drank nearly 3 litres of assorted tea every day. Maybe I should have stuck a picture of a cuppa there. Since I didn't, just remember this. Tea is your friend in the time ofcholera flu.
To recuperate from the obnoxious flu I had over the past week, I cooked like a maniac (and ate with a matching attitude) to beat the sickly virus.
Globe Grapes in a cloud of vanilla yogurt blended with frozen blueberries. That was really the last of my frozen blueberry stash. I am kind of sad that I ate them like the greedy grasshopper and now there are no blueberry-hoarding ants I can steal frozen blueberries from.
Pongal with light cauliflower saute and tomato-pepper rasam. Every time I make this, I invariably tweak something and the taste of the rasam flows down uncharted and sometimes blah territories. Being sick has its advantages because I was too clouded to think of new tweaks so I stuck with the traditional recipe and this came out perfect. But oh my, the rasam was so hot, I think it burned all the weenies out of my lungs and maybe some of my normal cells. But it was so worth the collateral damage.
Imitation Chinese soup with cauliflower, carrots, bell peppers, zucchini, bok choy, tomatoes and whatever else was in the fridge. The chopsticks are a sham because I don't really know how to eat with them. I tried, but it made my flu-tinged annoyance worse and I ended up breaking them into two in miscalculated blind rage.
I was interested in trying veggies the (e:Paul) way. So these are just bell peppers, carrots and broccoli sauteed very lightly in olive oil with cumin and garlic topped with squeezed with fresh lime juice. It tasted awesome and the texture was crunchy and to-die-for, but I couldn't smell anything that day so I am withholding judgement on whether I really wanted to die for the texture or not.
I think this is my favourite combination for a pizza at home - Whole wheat pita bread topped with some strong wisconsin cheese, red onion slices, tomatoes-on-the-vine, bell peppers, red chilli powder and salt and baked till the pita is crisp like a biscuit, in the oven. I went overboard trying to get a crisp crust so I burned a wee bit of the toppings. My snot-ridden brain thankfully gave me a timely warning and I took it out before it could smoulder into a total charcoal-y disaster.
Oh, and this last one is my formerly-yucky-but-now-fantastic keyboard getting a thorough detergent scrub and disinfection. I threw away the useless insert key when I put it all back together.
If I added up all the minutes I have wasted because of that stupid key, who knows, I might get a day of my life back. No more "insert" anarchy!
Happy week ahead, y'all. Keep away from people who are sneezing and sniffling, because if you do, you may need to spend the week in a snot-cloud, coughing and sick. On the upside, if you do get the flu, you can always look at this journal and do some inspired cooking. I also drank nearly 3 litres of assorted tea every day. Maybe I should have stuck a picture of a cuppa there. Since I didn't, just remember this. Tea is your friend in the time of
tinypliny - 10/19/09 21:39
It was my evil strategy to get you all confused and sick. Mainly sick. Why should I have suffered while most of you didn't?
That and careless typing.
It was my evil strategy to get you all confused and sick. Mainly sick. Why should I have suffered while most of you didn't?
That and careless typing.
himay - 10/19/09 13:40
Blargh. So much for formatting by HTML!
Blargh. So much for formatting by HTML!
himay - 10/19/09 13:39
<blockquote><strong>Keep away from people</strong> who are sneezing and sniffling, <strong>because if you do</strong>, you may need to spend the week in a snot-cloud, coughing and sick.</blockquote>
I'd swear you were implying we would get sick if we don't expose ourselves. ;)
<blockquote><strong>Keep away from people</strong> who are sneezing and sniffling, <strong>because if you do</strong>, you may need to spend the week in a snot-cloud, coughing and sick.</blockquote>
I'd swear you were implying we would get sick if we don't expose ourselves. ;)
jacob - 10/18/09 23:18
Beautiful shots, I'm glad I just ate. Although, it still did make me hungry. In a more traditional society, I'd say your making a good argument for you homemaking abilities. But, I won't go there.
Beautiful shots, I'm glad I just ate. Although, it still did make me hungry. In a more traditional society, I'd say your making a good argument for you homemaking abilities. But, I won't go there.
Wow - I wasn't even thinking of all the other complications you just dredged up. I'd rather give up to the misery of wearing ill-fitting clothes here.
"have an active wardrobe from 1987"
LOL.
nope, I'm definitely NOT a tailor. I can darn a sock and the occasional button, but that is the extent of my sewing prowess.
More accurate sizing through standardization with clothing would be helpful, but precise measurements would be chaotic. (leg and arm length, yes please!)
Since there is so much variation among womens bodies, from head to toe and all around, AND combine that with an endless variety of styles, a precise measurement could possibly do more of a disservice. The answer has been to offer a (non specific/uncertain) size that should be able to accommodate a minute range around that number (I believe the standard deviation is 1.0-1.5 inches, but I have seen it as more, hence the need for a standardization). Unfortunately there are wide differences from style, manufacturer, cut, department (jrs, misses, womens, plus, etc) era (those into 'vintage' or just have an active wardrobe from 1987) and comfort/cut preference.
Mens clothing appears to be more simple in comparison, however it can get complex even with their 'precise measurement labels' on their generally more "straight up and down" (with variation in gut girth) bodies. For a button down shirt, the sizes are regular/traditional cut or tailored/slim cut along with chest, neck and arm length measurements. One or the other is chosen based on comfort level and style preference. The more stylish and tailored one wishes to appear, the more complicated the shopping experience. (apologies for over simplifying that explanation/example.)
If we really wanted to streamline and simplify the clothing fit issue, as a society we could do away with style altogether and live in sweatpants and baggy t-shirts.
hmm, some people are onto something.
but for the rest of us, figure out what your staples are and if you can tailor (or hire a tailor) or find a few really good companies that state what their sizes accommodate (check online retailers, make phone calls, check catalogs) then you will more likely find clothes that really look and feel good.
I would love inch measurement, too, even though I only remember my height (65.5"). If I used the horizontal measurements more often, I'm sure I'd remember them.
YES! Why don't they do inches for women? WHY WHY WHY?? Do dressmakers think we are so shallow that we prefer not knowing how many inches our busts and bottoms and heights are?
As far as I know, every woman knows these measurements and always remembers them - why not just label the damn clothes uniformly with their precise measurements??! It's not some vanity dance - its a WASTE of people's time.
Some Women love to shop because I think they get to try all the stuff on and look in the mirror and see how they look and then put it back, HA, well buy it if it fits right. Hey what you say about the sizes is very true, Hey at one time I was young and I needed the money that is why I know about dress sizes, HA. I don't really know anything other then what you said about the sizes being different by brand. The way I know is that my Sis is about your size and went shopping with her once, Yes I wanted to slit my writs in the Galleria mall as I waited outside to store, what could be taking so long. It turns out the size stuff you mentioned is an issue. I think you are at just that odd size where it makes things tough. Guys have it easy they don't do that stupid size 3 means this, with guys they do inches and so it is pretty stright up. I'm guessing if you where taller you would have more fun shopping.
(e:mike) I KNEW IT! I always knew you were the doppelgänger of this woman!!! :::link:::
(e:theecarey), you sell clothes? Really? Do you tailor clothes as well??! Hehe @ the Indian-clothing love - its only beautiful from a distance, the clothes get an awful lot of "you-must-be-an-exotic-dancer?" stares here. :)
I love clothes shopping! But then again my bust is 55" so i guess that explains it!
welcome back!!!!!!!!!:)
as for shopping.. I'm NOT a fan. Toss me in a book store or electronics store and I can have fun, but force me into a clothes store, and my head is aching in minutes. I'm 5'10 and everything tends to run short for me (arms, legs and torso- I have a lot of length to my torso) across several brands, quality, price point and style. Tailoring is the only way to make it work, but I'm not that motivated. If I find a few well fitting staples, then I wear them until they fray.
There isn't a size standard. When I sell clothing, I provide detailed measurements, not just what the size on the tag says. And I must say it is mind blowing how much difference there can be between one style being a size "small" and another being tagged as a "small".
Btw, I love the colorful and ornate look of Indian fashion. I'm really quite enchanted, actually.
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