Submitted this to "My View," and got rejected. Their loss is your gain!
"The body is one and has many members, . . . If one member suffers, all suffer together with it." 1 Corinthians 12:12;26
As a pastor of a Presbyterian church, I am suffering with my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters.
We've closed buildings, too. What sad occasions.
The diocese has made some hard choices. A shortage of priests, a population decline, and lower giving has put all churches in a difficult place. My hope is that, though we may close buildings, every church will grow in our love for God and neighbor.
I am the Pastor of the Lafayette Ave. Presbyterian Church, a church that has (sadly) not yet shared in the Elmwood Village's re-vitalization. Hopefully, this will soon change, but sometimes I wonder if Lafayette's building will one day join the growing list of former-church buildings.
We have just over 50 people attend most Sundays. In a sanctuary that seats 1200, that means that we have about 1150 empty seats.
In addition to the common Christian value of following Jesus, Presbyterians also value stewardship.
Other Christians value stewardship, too, but we focus on it particularly.
This old-fashioned word reflects a timeless responsibility. God has given people resources to manage on God's behalf. We have a responsibility to care for creation, to be efficient, and to be generous.
Every day I ask myself if we are being good stewards of the God's resources. Honestly, I don't know. Some days it seems to be such a waste, heating and maintaining a giant structure when others have great need. Other days I see the glory of God reflected in the building's architecture and the ways it serves the neighborhood. I remember that our building represents the commitment of thousands of people, to God and to their neighborhood.
I share these thoughts because all churches must face the hard questions of stewardship. My Roman Catholic brothers and sisters are practicing this discipline now, and they have my prayers. Many have attacked them, but we owe a debt of gratitude. In addition to faithful worship, they provide quality, affordable education, services for immigrants and care for the disabled. Their ministry, like ours, is not perfect, but it deserves continued support.
Even so, I know that many Catholics are frustrated with their church. To you I say, please do not lose hope. We believe in a God who raises the dead, and this same God cannot be stopped by closed buildings, a priest shortage, or anything else. God can reconcile you and your church--and you ought to pursue that goal.
Again, If you have given up on the Roman Catholic Church, please re-consider. I suspect that you miss Christian community in worship and service, and you can find that in your Parish, even if it has merged. However, if you cannot achieve reconciliation with the Roman Catholic church, you may want to prayerfully consider a Christian community where you have a say in its stewardship. You are welcome in our community and in other churches--if only for a time--until we can all be reconciled.
Finally, I know that there are plenty of people who have given up on any sort of Christianity, in part because we have done such a bad job of stewardship. I confess: we fall far short of our ideal. We may not reach this ideal soon, but the church needs these prophetic voices of criticism to push us toward it. Would you consider working with us? Criticism is easy. Will you help us be faithful?
Stewardship is hard, but together, we can make best use of all that we've been given to love God and neighbor.
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07/09/2007 16:46 #40025
Catholic church closingsCategory: religion
07/07/2007 20:10 #39993
Review: India gate lunch buffetCategory: food
Service: Good
Food quality: Good enough. I didn't write down the proper names of the dishes, but there dishes with peas, chick-peas, and eggplant. There were also chicken dishes.
Food Variety (it is a buffet, after all): Not good enough. There weren't any cheese-based dishes, which I particularly love.
My wife just interrupted me to tell me that this review should be funny. "People won't read it if it isn't funny," she says.
"They will," I think to myself, "if they like to eat Indian food."
I like to eat Indian food.
So, based on this fact, I like India Gate.
I guess I am not a very professional restaurant reviewer. Basically, if I don't get sick, I like the place. India Gate not only didn't make me get sick, but I liked the food enough to get more and more food. Too much, in fact.
Dessert was rings of honey that had been solidified and fried. (They have a name, but I didn't take notes. Remember, my first mission was to eat. I can't hold a pencil in my left hand, and I sure wasn't going to take the fork out of my right!)
I depended on (e:Jenks) for the above description of the honey-things. I also saw that she ate them with rice-pudding. I like rice pudding as long as I think it is something else. Why don't they just call it pudding and keep us all happy? Everybody likes pudding. I pretended that I didn't see the label and ate the stuff mixed together. Very sweet, very rich, very good. (hmmm, fried honey, sweet and rich? Go figure)
Anyway, I like eating and I like reviewing, but I work for a church and I am not made of money. What's that? I am getting a word from above! Somebody out there needs healing. If you send money to me today, healing will come into your life.
Just kidding. I could've made a better appeal, but I really didn't want to go to far with blasphemy.
Coming up next will be my review of University Hots. It will also be a good review, because (as I mentioned before) I like to eat.
This is an opportunity for all of you who own restaurants. The only thing that I like more than food is free food. Give me free food and you will get a good review.
Again, I never said I was professional.
Food quality: Good enough. I didn't write down the proper names of the dishes, but there dishes with peas, chick-peas, and eggplant. There were also chicken dishes.
Food Variety (it is a buffet, after all): Not good enough. There weren't any cheese-based dishes, which I particularly love.
My wife just interrupted me to tell me that this review should be funny. "People won't read it if it isn't funny," she says.
"They will," I think to myself, "if they like to eat Indian food."
I like to eat Indian food.
So, based on this fact, I like India Gate.
I guess I am not a very professional restaurant reviewer. Basically, if I don't get sick, I like the place. India Gate not only didn't make me get sick, but I liked the food enough to get more and more food. Too much, in fact.
Dessert was rings of honey that had been solidified and fried. (They have a name, but I didn't take notes. Remember, my first mission was to eat. I can't hold a pencil in my left hand, and I sure wasn't going to take the fork out of my right!)
I depended on (e:Jenks) for the above description of the honey-things. I also saw that she ate them with rice-pudding. I like rice pudding as long as I think it is something else. Why don't they just call it pudding and keep us all happy? Everybody likes pudding. I pretended that I didn't see the label and ate the stuff mixed together. Very sweet, very rich, very good. (hmmm, fried honey, sweet and rich? Go figure)
Anyway, I like eating and I like reviewing, but I work for a church and I am not made of money. What's that? I am getting a word from above! Somebody out there needs healing. If you send money to me today, healing will come into your life.
Just kidding. I could've made a better appeal, but I really didn't want to go to far with blasphemy.
Coming up next will be my review of University Hots. It will also be a good review, because (as I mentioned before) I like to eat.
This is an opportunity for all of you who own restaurants. The only thing that I like more than food is free food. Give me free food and you will get a good review.
Again, I never said I was professional.
james - 07/10/07 20:04
Correction, it is Star of India.
Without correction, it is, in fact, freakin' delicious.
Correction, it is Star of India.
Without correction, it is, in fact, freakin' delicious.
james - 07/07/07 23:59
If you wander further up Delaware in Kenmoore Taste of India is pretty good too and worth a shot. Their buffet is pretty small, but the woman who makes all the food also serves you. And she looks pleased as punch to see people enjoying her food. She just glows with maternal warmth the food tastes 11X better.
If you wander further up Delaware in Kenmoore Taste of India is pretty good too and worth a shot. Their buffet is pretty small, but the woman who makes all the food also serves you. And she looks pleased as punch to see people enjoying her food. She just glows with maternal warmth the food tastes 11X better.
07/05/2007 13:43 #39926
Indian food?Category: food
The trip to the Indian Buffet referenced in my last post is going to happen. Any one else want to eat Indian food at noon tomorrow (Friday)?
tinypliny - 07/05/07 21:31
Where is this place? Is it walking distance (I mean reasonable within 15 minutes) from Roswell?
Where is this place? Is it walking distance (I mean reasonable within 15 minutes) from Roswell?
fellyconnelly - 07/05/07 15:01
not that good indian food isn't worth driving 350 miles.... i just have to work... :(
not that good indian food isn't worth driving 350 miles.... i just have to work... :(
museumchick - 07/05/07 14:21
If I were in the city tommorow, I would so go! I love India Gate's Buffet. Try the chicken meatballs if they have them:).
If I were in the city tommorow, I would so go! I love India Gate's Buffet. Try the chicken meatballs if they have them:).
carolinian - 07/05/07 14:11
The India Gate on Elmwood is really quite excellent. I would so join you if I 12:00PM wasn't Smack-Dab-In-The-Middle-Of-Work-Hours.
The India Gate on Elmwood is really quite excellent. I would so join you if I 12:00PM wasn't Smack-Dab-In-The-Middle-Of-Work-Hours.
07/02/2007 16:30 #39888
By Popular demand!Category: sermons
I haven't posted sermons in a while, but Mr. Deadlier asked, so here it is.
PS. I got away from my notes, so this is just an approximation of what I wanted to say. You gotta show up for the real deal!
Ooh, that reminds me: Two people visited us last Sunday. (Maybe a gay couple, but I'll feel bad if I assumed that and was wrong). Estrippers, by chance? If so, speak up, so I can justify posting from the office!
Luke 9:51-62
51When the days drew near for him to be taken up, he set his face to go to Jerusalem. 52And he sent messengers ahead of him. On their way they entered a village of the Samaritans to make ready for him; 53but they did not receive him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem. 54When his disciples James and John saw it, they said, "Lord, do you want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?" 55But he turned and rebuked them. 56Then they went on to another village.
57As they were going along the road, someone said to him, "I will follow you wherever you go." 58And Jesus said to him, "Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head." 59To another he said, "Follow me." But he said, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father." 60But Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead; but as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God." 61Another said, "I will follow you, Lord; but let me first say farewell to those at my home." 62Jesus said to him, "No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God."
Can you imagine a business person with a great idea, that they are sure will make money, who has no collateral except for her house? Every business venture has risk, and she knows she could lose her house. But she believes in her idea, so she quits her current job and mortgages her house, putting all she has into her new product. If she succeeds, she will be wealthy. If she fails, she will not only be broke, she may have no place to live.
Can you imagine somebody loving an idea enough to risk their house?
How about this. A fire fighter gets a call to burning building. It's bad, which means two things.
1. Time is of the essence--every second he delays, the more likely it is that people will die.
2. There is a very good chance that he could lose his life in this fire.
He knows that he might die, but because time means everything in this moment, he cannot pause--he rushes out to fight the fire, not even taking time to say good-bye to his family.
Can you imagine somebody acting with such urgency that he cannot stop for his family?
What about Martin Luther King, Jr. Here's a Christian man, that knew that he was putting his own life at risk. But did you know that his house, where his wife and daughters were, had been bombed? His activities led to THEIR lives being threatened.
Martin Luther King had to not only consider risking his own life for his mission, but he also had to be honest about the possibility of losing his family.
Can you imagine somebody doing something so important that it risks the lives of the people they love the most?
So maybe we do understand this shocking gospel reading a little bit more.
In this reading, Jesus tells us that following him might lead to homelessness. Following Jesus might lead to cut ties with your family. Following Jesus might even mean no chance to say goodbye.
This is a high price.
However, as we've discovered, somethings are worth a high price.
Friends, the call to follow Christ is not any less than the call to invest in a great idea. Nor is it any less that the call to save lives, or to fight for justice.
In fact, the call to follow Christ IS a great idea. It saves lives, and it brings justice.
And so it requires radical commitment.
This is different than the standard message that churches usually give. What we usually here is something like this.
God wants you in church on Sunday morning for an hour, maybe two. And then he would like it if you did one more thing with the church, during the week. If you don't lie, cheat or steal and you give us four hours, and ten percent of your income, then you are a good person.
There's a value to that message. If each of us gave 10%, and spent four hours here, we would get a lot more done, and have plenty of money for God's mission. We would be an amazing church, at least by most standards.
But does Jesus say "Give me four hours and 10%?"
No.
He asks for you lives. 24/7. 100%.
Which means that we don't give ourselves to our homes. Or our families. Every ounce of our energy is lived toward God. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. 100% of our income. 100% of our time. 100% of our energy. 100% of our thoughts.
I've spend a lot of time in youth ministry. Talk to youth ministers and do you know what they will tell you is the number one enemy of the church in the USA?
Soccer practice. Soccer practice, and band practice, and homework, and all of those other things that kids say when you ask them if they can go to church.
Can you imagine the soccer practice kid in this story of Jesus. Jesus says, "Come follow me." And the kid says, "I'll be right there, after soccer practice."
"Ok--I'll hold the reconciliation of humankind with the divine until after you are done with your practice."
Doesn't sound very likely, does it.
But soccer is good, right? School is good, right? family is good, right?
yes. at least most of the time. and being in church is good almost all of the time (although there's more to following God than showing up here, this is a good place to start!)
But none of those things are the best thing.
Following Jesus is the best thing.
And how do we follow Jesus?
We trust his Spirit, which is in us and among us.
So we can be loyal to Jesus over soccer, but guess what, Jesus might lead us to soccer, because soccer players need Jesus. Jesus most likely will lead us to care for our families, and to care for our homes. But Jesus comes first.
Which sounds harsh, putting Jesus absolutely first, but it really is freeing, because when we follow Jesus, the Spirit guides us.
And the Spirit guides us through the hard questions that we face.
Our radical loyalty to Christ is incredibly freeing, because it becomes a guide for all that we do. When we exercise, sleep, or eat, that is part of our mission, building up our bodies to follow Christ.
When we read, listen to music, or take in the sights and smells of the natural world, we are refreshing our spirits, so that we may follow Christ in this world.
When we make beautiful music, or paint paintings, or write stories, we are illustrating the way the world is, and how God is working in it, and thus following Christ in bringing others into God's mission in this world.
When you are guided by the spirit, School becomes the place where you live your mission. So does soccer practice, so does work. so does home, even vacation is your chance to become refreshed for God's mission!
We don't follow Jesus with the time we have left over. We follow Jesus all the time: to soccer practice, to work, to school, to our families.
And we do this because of the wonderful gift of Holy Spirit takes us there.
It's all consuming. Listen to these last words from Paul, using Eugene Peterson's translation:
Since this is the kind of life we have chosen, the life of the Spirit, let us make sure that we do not just hold it as an idea in our heads or a sentiment in our hearts, but work out its implications in every detail of our lives.
Which is why we are going to practice the spiritual discipline of eating today. Eating isn't just something we do. It defines who we are. If I eat nothing but donuts, I will look one way, if I eat fruit and vegetables, I will look another way.
When we eat this bread and drink this cup, we welcome Jesus to be a part of us. All of us. Just as this bread and juice travels into every last cell of our body, so do we, invite Christ to permeate our entire being. You know what we'd look like if we ate donuts. you know what we'd look like if we ate vegetables. Today, I invite you to imagine what we look like when we are nourished by Jesus Christ himself.
tinypliny - 07/03/07 23:40
That was very inspiring indeed. :) Thanks! Maybe this Sunday, you might see another new person walking in. :)
That was very inspiring indeed. :) Thanks! Maybe this Sunday, you might see another new person walking in. :)
museumchick - 07/03/07 13:17
I like this sermon a lot. I agree that religion is something we shouln't just incorporate into our lives one day a week, but in everything we do. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to feel so much passion to put so much faith into something like that. I guess I don't know what that is like.
I like this sermon a lot. I agree that religion is something we shouln't just incorporate into our lives one day a week, but in everything we do. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to feel so much passion to put so much faith into something like that. I guess I don't know what that is like.
07/04/2007 11:54 #39911
Brunch and CasinosCategory: food
Last Sunday my wife and I decided to eat Brunch at the Elmwood Lounge. The appearance of the inside is just as smarmy as the outside. I quite like that, although they pushed it RIGHT to the edge of scary.
Six Dollars gets you coffee, a drink (oj, champagne, or a Bloody Mary) an entree, and a dessert. The price is right. Some places would charge $6 for just the drink.
Of course, the old adage, "you get what you pay for" still holds true. Some come expecting a buffet, because for us gluttons, "brunch" and "buffet" have become synonymous. Here's a refresher on definitions for your convenience.
Brunch (definition provided by Jacques on the Simpsons): "It's not quite breakfast, it's not quite lunch, but you get a nice slice of cantaloupe on the side." It's a meal where I can have fish and chips and my wife can have eggs Benedict, and we are still eating the same meal (which we did).
Buffet: Often prefaced by "Old Country," "Number One lucky Chinese," or "Best deal in town free with one hour of slot play," a buffet is the favorite restaurant for people who prefer variety or quantity over quality. It's also a popular training ground for competitive eaters and various food- born illnesses. It consists of many foods, which the diner selects and puts on a a tray. Sometimes a diner must pay by the pound, or limit his or her (ok, lets face it--his) seafood choices, but this defeats the purpose of the buffet. A buffet is not, by definitiion "all you can eat," but unless you like walking for your food, or food served warm, the "all you can eatiness" is really the best reason to go.
Ok. So I was hard on Buffets, but I can kid because I love. If anybody wants to try the Indian Lunch Buffet on Elmwood, I'm game.
Back to the review. Coffee was fine. Server put the coffee pot on the table, which was surprising, but really, nothing should be surprising at this place.
Wife's eggs looked fine. My fish was better than expected, but not great. It was served with coleslaw that was all white, and fermented (think cold sauerkraut). Is this a Buffalo thing? I like my coleslaw fresh and heavy on the mayo.
Dessert was tapioca pudding or jello. Both had good whipped cream on top, which made up for their serving lame desserts.
Overall: Three stars. I will return, but not with anybody I want to impress.
As for the casino: Next time somebody says that there is no money in Buffalo, I will refer them to the people standing four deep in line to put money into a vending machine that dispenses its product (the same money that was put into it) inconsistently, unfairly, and always in less quantities than it came in. Greed and/or desperation can really make us stupid.
Six Dollars gets you coffee, a drink (oj, champagne, or a Bloody Mary) an entree, and a dessert. The price is right. Some places would charge $6 for just the drink.
Of course, the old adage, "you get what you pay for" still holds true. Some come expecting a buffet, because for us gluttons, "brunch" and "buffet" have become synonymous. Here's a refresher on definitions for your convenience.
Brunch (definition provided by Jacques on the Simpsons): "It's not quite breakfast, it's not quite lunch, but you get a nice slice of cantaloupe on the side." It's a meal where I can have fish and chips and my wife can have eggs Benedict, and we are still eating the same meal (which we did).
Buffet: Often prefaced by "Old Country," "Number One lucky Chinese," or "Best deal in town free with one hour of slot play," a buffet is the favorite restaurant for people who prefer variety or quantity over quality. It's also a popular training ground for competitive eaters and various food- born illnesses. It consists of many foods, which the diner selects and puts on a a tray. Sometimes a diner must pay by the pound, or limit his or her (ok, lets face it--his) seafood choices, but this defeats the purpose of the buffet. A buffet is not, by definitiion "all you can eat," but unless you like walking for your food, or food served warm, the "all you can eatiness" is really the best reason to go.
Ok. So I was hard on Buffets, but I can kid because I love. If anybody wants to try the Indian Lunch Buffet on Elmwood, I'm game.
Back to the review. Coffee was fine. Server put the coffee pot on the table, which was surprising, but really, nothing should be surprising at this place.
Wife's eggs looked fine. My fish was better than expected, but not great. It was served with coleslaw that was all white, and fermented (think cold sauerkraut). Is this a Buffalo thing? I like my coleslaw fresh and heavy on the mayo.
Dessert was tapioca pudding or jello. Both had good whipped cream on top, which made up for their serving lame desserts.
Overall: Three stars. I will return, but not with anybody I want to impress.
As for the casino: Next time somebody says that there is no money in Buffalo, I will refer them to the people standing four deep in line to put money into a vending machine that dispenses its product (the same money that was put into it) inconsistently, unfairly, and always in less quantities than it came in. Greed and/or desperation can really make us stupid.
hodown - 07/05/07 13:00
Be prepared for a delicious treat at the Indian Buffet on Elmwood. After eating many an indian meal in nyc I still think that place has some of the best indian food ive ever eaten!
Be prepared for a delicious treat at the Indian Buffet on Elmwood. After eating many an indian meal in nyc I still think that place has some of the best indian food ive ever eaten!
jenks - 07/05/07 09:47
i agree with your take on brunch. i mean what do you expect for $6 (including booze)- but i love it. And- I am down for indian buffet any time.
i agree with your take on brunch. i mean what do you expect for $6 (including booze)- but i love it. And- I am down for indian buffet any time.
james - 07/04/07 14:11
While not check out Lance Diamond any day of the week.
In front of the Elmwood lounge is a giant poster of lance in a sequined suit. Sitting underneath that sign on a plastic deck chair behind dark sunglasses is Lance Diamond.
It is like staring at your infinite reflection into two mirrors... but smarmy!
While not check out Lance Diamond any day of the week.
In front of the Elmwood lounge is a giant poster of lance in a sequined suit. Sitting underneath that sign on a plastic deck chair behind dark sunglasses is Lance Diamond.
It is like staring at your infinite reflection into two mirrors... but smarmy!
mrmike - 07/04/07 13:41
Elmwood Lounge is both smarmy and gamey. Check out the Lance Diamond crowd on a Friday to be tossed into a time machine
Elmwood Lounge is both smarmy and gamey. Check out the Lance Diamond crowd on a Friday to be tossed into a time machine
fellyconnelly - 07/04/07 12:00
hmm smarmy? i'm game!
hmm smarmy? i'm game!
I would write more, now about this stuff, but the church closing set my mind off on a tangent to write about the Cathedral.
Night :)
Drew thanks for the dialogue!
A partial solution to the church closings in Buffalo might be... are you ready for this? Sell that giant mansion the bishop lives in.
I know you are new to the area, but have you seen this structure? It puts the Knox mansion to shame (Knox of Albright-Knox fame. Knox of 'I built this city while you were just in diapers' Knox)
OK, they don't have to sell it, just rent it out. Wall up the Bishop like a good ol' fashioned anchorite and we are on our way to a viable diocese.
He is at 77 Oakland Pl. Buffalo, NY 14222
I hear you, Jim. And there are good reasons that I am no longer Catholic, despite being raised as one. And yes, it did hurt when they reminded us again that they don't think I am part of the Christian Church.
Here's my problem. I think that they are Christians. Stubborn, mislead Christians, yes--and often wrong, but brothers and sisters of mine nonetheless. So I'll criticize them, but I am bonded to them--even when they deny me.
The Catholic church is messed up, but so is the Presbyterian church, to which I belong. Why haven't I given up on the church altogether? Because as messed up as it is, I need it. I find a seed of what God intended the church to be still inside the churches that do so much to hide it.
I need community, and I while I agree that community is shared humanity, I think that our humanity comes from God. I need Christian community, because it is Jesus that I best understand not only who God is, but what humanity really is.
I don't really need a priest or anything like that, but I do need community.
Which brings me to my job: I don't see myself as an "intermediary" between God and people. I can't do it. Instead, I see myself as a faciliator of a Jesus-formed community. I help a group of people practice spiritual disciplines together--wrestling with scripture, giving of our time and money, praying, confessing, all of which is is done in community and by community.
Which brings me to the reason that I post. Our community is incomplete. Now I know that this is a touchy area, because nobody wants to be "converted," but the Christian community has limited itself by pushing other voices out.
This Sunday, I am going to preach on the Good Samaritan. It's a familiar story, but too often it gets to a message of "just be nice." When you understand its context, however, it is a story that really kicks the church in the butt. The religious leaders are the example of what not to do, the Samaritan is the hero, and the example to follow. And Samaritans were the "outsiders." From the perspective of Jesus' audience, they were religiously, ethnically, morally, wrong. They were the worst kind of people, but Jesus said, they--because they show mercy--are the ones we should be imitating.
This community is filled with a whole lot of non-religious people that show mercy, and do it in a way that is much better than most of the pew-sitters out there. We need you. We don't need to judge you, and we don't need your money. We need your example. (That "you" isn't anybody in particular, but all of you that are merciful and outside the church)
My summary: Catholics are like Protestants. There's good and bad mixed together. I'm trying to be good, but I can't pretend that I'm not part of some bad stuff, either. Community is important, but closed community (which has happened with Catholics and Protestants both) can lead to a demonization of "the outsider." Scripture tells us that God really likes "the outsider," so I am doing my best to open up Religious communities.
thanks for listening.
Drew, I feel bad disagreeing with you. You are a caring and motivated person, and apparently a force for good in this world. You also don't hesitate to share your thoughts, to I hope you don't mind if I do the same.
The Catholic Church to this day is deranged, just this month declaring all other Christian faiths to be false, and itself as the only path to salvation. It is a malignant entity from the dark ages, thrashing around in search of a relevancy that allows it to claim earthly dominion. The pews are empty because the Church can't explain anything, but nevertheless claims to speak for God, a sure sign of personal and institutional madness. The inertia of tradition is its strongest suit and biggest claim to authority, a revealing fact.
Community is about shared humanity, not about God. Good people are good people, they reflect on what they've done wrong, learn from the examples of others, and can use the sense that they were born with to find a path in this world. Essentially: the human condition includes awareness of the human condition, and the ability to adapt. You don't need a priest sitting there intermediating, ever.
More diverse populaces too. A lot of those closed churches are done because their neighborhoods have decreased. The catholic population has withered along with the general neighborhood population. I think the Bishop is being prudent in addressing the changing landscape.
Only trick now is to watch those buildings now.
I think that you are right. Not a lot of "Churchy" people anymore, but a whole lot of "spiritual" people.
You're right about going to church being worthless if it doesn't change your behavior, too.
i guess i have a view...too. Yes on the surface it may seem as though people are turning away from religion, and in a sense they may truly be. But by no means does that mean that people are turning away from faith, or turning away from GOD. If you look around you, I think you may see that people are turning more towards spirituality, or humanity, or whatever you'd like to call it. They may not be the traditional means of worship: go to church on Sundays, read the bible, preach to others about God. These people may not consider themselves Christians at all. For example, I know this woman who says she doesn't believe in God at all, yet she dedicates her life to helping others. She's a foster parent, she volunteers at so many different places like crisis services and soup kitchens...shes not married and she has no children, and she's 46.She does it because she truly cares about people, not because religion says its the right thing to do. My theory has always been something like, what does it matter if you go to church on Sundays if you're a litterbug-destroying what is obviously evidence that God exists? thats at the minimal level. The shift in consciousness about the state of the planet, that in itself is an example proof that people are caring more. The building itself is nothing but a representation of something... maybe the need for that representation is diminishing. maybe we're collectively doing away with things tht represent what God is and turning more towards what God really, really is... if that makes sense. Sorry this is so long..its 5 am and it took me a few words to get my view out. GOD BLESS!!!!
i read an article in the buffalo news about that. my grandmother's sister in law had sent it to her, and she has trouble seeing, so i read it to her. i can't believe so many churches are closing! people don't go to church anymore??? you sinful bastards!
Sorry. It's a reader submitted column in the Buffalo News.
What is the view?