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08/21/2007 10:54 #40652

Dom's Response
Category: nerd
Dom responded, and his response was awesome check this out!

Very cool science show. They seem like they know what they are talking about from the little bit I listened too. These new HIV drugs aren't really vaccines exactly, but it sounds like they have great potential.

The question of "is it good for humans later" is pointless as far as I am concerned. Nature is a cruel master. Civilizations have developed to help cope with nature. We build shelters to protect us. We build social structures to help us get food and water. We build medical systems to help keep us healthy. We can do these things because we have evolved these capabilities. To not use those abilities would be stymie - ing evolution.

Mitchondria came from a symbiotic relationship between bacteria and eukaryotic single cell organisms. This infection happened before we evolved the ability to fight infections...

Suppose we did not treat HIV. Like the story says, there are some people who have a specific mutation in the CCR5 receptor that won't allow HIV infection. If everyone gets exposed to HIV, only these people and others who have other sorts of protective differences ("mutations") will survive. Now, a couple hundred years later, humanity is more "fit" because evolution ran its course concerning this one thing - HIV infection.

Good in theory, but will not happen exactly BECAUSE of evolution. Bald eagles almost became extinct because of a chemical that came into their environment (it doesn't matter that we were responsible for this point) which made their egg shells more fragile. The eggs could not support the weight of the parents that sit on them. so the eggs would collapse and the parent crushed the young. Eagles are not smart enough to realize that maybe they shouldn't sit on their eggs any longer. They are not able to build nice warm, cozy incubators for their eggs. In fact, if we had not removed the chemical from their environment in the 70's (DDT, I think) they would very likely be extinct right now.

Humans, on the other hand, have evolved such abilities. We are not wild animals and we could not survive for long without the social structures we have put in place. Why should it be OK to deny the use of a drug like this to help against a viral infection, but not OK to no longer allow trucks to deliver food from rural farm areas to cities. How would all those people in NYC eat?

There is another argument: Let's say there are some mutant eagles that build super strong eggs, so they don't crush their young. All the non-mutant eagles die off after a few generations, so now the species has evolved to have only these mutant eagles with super strong eggs are left. The chemical in the environment is not threat to these remaining eagles. Only 2% of the total original eagle population had this mutation. Luckily, the eagle population was large enough and varied enough for this mutation to be a possibility. But now, the genetic fitness of eagles is dramatically less. The population has lost 98% of its variation. What happens if another challenge comes along that these eagles can't handle? The genetic variation for many, many generations of these eagles will be so small that is it highly unlikely they would be able to survive another challenge like, let's say, an avian HIV. Maybe all of the eagles that had a mutation in CCR5 that could have saved them from avian HIV. Unfortunately, none of them had the super strong egg mutation so they all crushed their young and died off.

The exact same concepts would be applied to the human HIV story. If we let it run its course, and part of the population survived and that population is now somehow better able to withstand viral attacks because of this evolution, the genetic fitness of humanity would be much worse off.

So, my point is that evolution gave us the ability to protect ourselves and to not use those abilities is to ignore evolution. You could extend my theory to the n'th degree and say that eventually, nothing will be able to kill us. Where do you draw the line between benefiting from the abilities you have evolved, and actually interfering so much with evolution that you destroy the concept altogether? In a way, this is already happening. There are people with genetic mutations that would normally kill them before they were old enough to breed. Medical interventions now allow them to live long enough to breed. They do. Now there are more people with these mutations that would have been winnowed out without medical intervention.

I am not sure I have the answer for "where do you draw the line?". I've given this very little thought, but I think you draw the line at changing the genetic material of the gametes (sperm and egg). I think this would be wrong. But maybe it is not so simple as that. If you could take two people with cystic fibrosis, and fix the single mutation that causes the disease, I would say we should do that. These people could live normal lives with normal lung function. The gene would only need to be fixed in specific cells in the airways. In fact, some of the very 1st gene therapy experiments were to do exactly this. But what about when those two people get married and decide they want kids? Should we fix the bad gene in their sperm and eggs so that their kids come out normal?? I don't think so, because now you have pushed the line....how far do you push it? People with sickle cell anemia, which could theoretically be fixed in such a way, are resistant to malaria. What if cystic fibrosis people have some benefit we don't recognize yet?

Anyway.....I have to get back to work.

No, I don't know anyone studying bone density.
scott - 09/14/07 11:30
On a side note: DDT may have been bad for bald eagle eggs, but it's (by far) the most effective weapon against malaria... which happens to kill more people than aids ever will!

peep this awesome article from Nat. Geographic...
:::link:::

Oh, the circle of life....

metalpeter - 08/21/07 18:44
Very Interesting post. One thing that I wonder about though is, would curing HIV really be a good thing or a bad thing medicly. The reason I say this is that I have heard that some doctors don't give out antibotics like they used to. The reason being is what happened was that over time what they where fighting adapted and got stronger and made the medicines less effective so doctors don't want to cause something so strong that medicine won't be able to fight it. If you look at how diases have changed over time it makes sense. The black plague killed lots of people. Then there where things like TB and the newest one is AIDS/HIV . Well what if fighting HIV causes something stronger to form. The thing I find weird about HIV is what makes it so deadly is that it kills you slowly. If you got HIV and died 2 days later you wouldn't be able to spread it to anyone else. But with HIV you can spreed it to hundreds if you are the popular type, before you even know. What if the new HIV Virus learns how to survive in temps that are colder then body temp or even worse how to stay alive in the in the air for a few minutes that sure would make things a lot worse. I'm not expert just putting down a few thoughts.
tinypliny - 08/21/07 11:47
And I can bet that in a few years (with the huge Stem cell research board :::link:::), the line that Dom is talking about will no longer exist. I know that manipulation of germ cells seems unethical now, but I can easily believe that people might become more receptive to it when they realize that more lives could be saved.

However much one talks about evolution, I think the basic tendency for all living species on this planet is to survive. If survival involves the use of advanced intelligence, it is definitely one of the evolutionary benefits that the struggling species should (and will) use - no matter how unethical it may seem. You could say that evolution programs us not to care. Maybe the consequences of our "intelligent" actions are also part of the evolutionary design.

08/21/2007 09:45 #40650

Amazing Discoveries
Category: nerd
Ok... I listen to nerdy podcasts all the time. Video games, tech news, science. One of which is a podcast called "the naked scientist". I know, weird.

I also have made decent friends with a scientist at Roswell. He researches cancers, obviously, but I bug him with my science questions and tell him about my excitement in current research all the time cause he's more likely to give a hoot... but then what about you lot.

Here's the email I sent him. I'm busting with excitement, I think you should be too.

Subject: More Scientist Stuff

Body:

I swear I'm going to break down and go back to school so I can do this all the time.

Check these two things out.

They've found an chemical HIV vaccine, it was reported on this British Scientific Podcast called "The Naked Scientist". I know weird. Here's a link to the iTunes store for it and a link to the web site. They have enhanced podcasts so if you have iTunes you can scrub the progress bar until it's the title "New HIV Drugs" shows up, it's even easier on your iPod the sections are divided into bars. Relatively early in the show.

But then there's always this sort of thing where just because it's great news for humans now, is it necessarily good news for humans later? I think I emailed you a link to this podcast before. It's a sci-fi story about weather it's good that we destroy diseases since it may stymie evolution link . Think link mitochondria are some of the largest bits of debate weaponry that creationist scientists use against evolutionists (sp? bad terms?), but that's not what this is about. Figuring weather we should stop viruses before we've learned to live symbiotically with them and they improve us is, if that's what they're up to.

....ahhh. Ok, I'll stop bugging you. Really though, if I'm just pestering you let me know. I'd hate to be a nescience. I just get so excited.

Hmm, last question. I have an idea for a study but it has to do with bone density. Do you know a scientist that's in that kind of research?
tinypliny - 08/21/07 13:21
This is a piece of news that makes me even more hopeful about the entire HIV research scenario:
:::link:::
tinypliny - 08/21/07 11:31
:) It's my favourite radio show! Chris's book is awesome too. Check it out if you get a chance. And nopes, its not weird at all. The concept is that science has to be stripped down to "nakedness" or the basics to interest everyone. I agree.
zobar - 08/21/07 10:55
Ya I was recently reading about the CCR5-Δ32 :::link::: mutation, which has a negative effect in day-to-day life but it also makes the person resistant to HIV. Around 10% of Europeans have the mutation due to natural selection during the Black Plague [which is also inhibited by this mutation]. Up to 20% of Ashkenazi Jews have the mutation as well, due to the founder effect.

So if we don't eliminate HIV, we end up with a world overrun by northern Europeans and Ashkenazi Jews. Being northern European-ish, I can tell you this: you do not want that.

- Z

08/14/2007 02:44 #40530

Public Bones
Category: unnerd
OK... I'm lying in bed again.

I think the babys coming way soon. Like in a few days, like maybe 20. She's gonna blow.... holy crap where are we gonna put this friggin' baby! Meg keeps complaining about pains in her public bones and I know that's just tantamount to shooting out a baby!

I'm buying the house as fast as I can. Oh, it's on Sanders Street in north buffalo, it has a wood burning stove in it and a huge master bedroom since it's a bungalo. As soon as we settle in and Meg feels ok letting the baby stay with my mom for a bit we'll have a house warming party. I can't wait to see you people in my own house.

I think babies make girls daft. OK, I'm aware that Meg must like me since she's preggers with my love child, but she's been awfully smoofy lately. She keeps crooning at me. OK, in her defense I did just wash my hair, and you know, you can't wash dreads to often or the hair gets dry and snaps off, but it had been too long. Yeah I was starting to get a lil rank, but I washed my mop, and she's all croony.

Ok, the kitty likes me a lot too. So much that we have to have discussions about what not to stand on while I'm on the computer. She's lying on my arm right now, she's so cute. She sleeps next to me now and Meg thinks she's a whore. I think the cats really just waiting for me to fall a sleep so she can chew on my hair again.

Kitty Reading Estrip... too cute
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Get away from Paul's lappy Kitty, he's allergic!
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I went on a camping trip on Friday and Saturday, and I have to say that I really really had a good time. I was on vacation, it was only a 2 day vacation, but I needed it. Works not too bad, but it has it's moments, but being a pre baby daddy will make you wanna run away screaming sometimes.

I went to brushwood with (e:vycious) and crew. (e:des) was there, and their extended circle of friends, Knife, Scriber, Matthew, H, Emily Randy, and the lot of them. It was for a festival call Dionisia... I know I spelled that wrong, but oh well. Yeah, this place was really awesome, and I loved it. I forgot how pegan-hippie-goth I used to be, back when I was revolting against my Christian up bringing and I was looking around for stuff to satisfy my deep emotional state. I found the pegan community to be quite welcoming. I always thought it was peculiar that African-Americans practiced Christianity after they had a choice to do anything but. I mean they were only Christian because they were slaves and what they practiced religiously scared their owners. As a newly liberated 19 year old I was trying to put all former ties to slavery behind me, I was free.

My parents never knew all the things I did, or they'd start praying like nutz. Funny thing is while I was in a drum circle, or a Native American sweat lodge I was praying for them, and I felt more self righteous and sincere than I ever could in a church.

I didn't start practicing wicca, but I did start celebrating holidays that weren't on the calendar. I like holidays, everyone's excited, people gather, there's food and games. I did a a lot of drumming in those days and hoped to attract a really cute and smelly girl every once and a while. I forgot how much fun drumming was till I got to Brushwood. Meet some intersteing people. Saw some old chubby ladies and men naked and dancing and free...some young one's too. It felt good to be around people that in touch with who they were and open and free about it. I drummed so hard I still have bruises on my thighs from when I was looking for a snappier sound. I'm really glad I got a chance to reject who I was. I would never have become an understanding person when it comes to others if I was holding on too tightly to what I was. That trip put me back in touch with 19 year old Tony. I didn't realize how much I missed him, and how much he missed everyone else.

I think I'm going to keep drumming. I have a small djembe and I'm going to buy a big one. I don't know what happened to the one I had before. I think a roommate got to it or some such, but that's ok. I'll get a new one. Here's some trees and sky from my trip.
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I'm glad I'm posting again....I write to remember.

If anyone wants to do some drumming just say so and I'll be there.

fellyconnelly - 08/14/07 18:41
you are a busy busy fella!
nice meeting you at the dinner by the way
i remember waving at you from the other end of the table.
james - 08/14/07 11:57
Holy crap! Having a baby, buying a house, AND moving... yikes man. I am glad you got to Dyonisia (we can't spell greek in English anyway) those are a fun group of people.

If you need help moving.... oh god, am I really offering?... ahem, if you need help moving I will change my policy of not because Meg is "preggers". ^_^ Let me know
mrmike - 08/14/07 09:41
So, soon we can just call ya "Pops"?

08/09/2007 18:46 #40458

One of your best freinds weiners
Category: unnerd
So, I'm sitting in bed jabbering with the Megasaurous (she's half in the buff, her hoobers are staring at me mockingly since there will be no lovin' tonight) reading (e:pauls) journal when blamo! Weiner!

Ahhh, I really love those dudes... boy that sounds weird, but let me clarify. I love how completely unabashed they are at times. I'm sure Paul knows that everyone is reading his journal even work folks (hi Del, hey Cathy!), but that won't stop Paul from sportin' a lil flip flap to show you peeps what he's been up to. Here here for being your self, and not being ashamed or afraid to show it. It's how I like life.

Oooh you guys deserve an update. I've been tending to the Megg and child who in another universe would be named fizzgig and it's ok...ehhh good even, sorta.

Meg is at the complainier stage of pregancy that comes after the complainy stage. Well in her defense she's really pregnant now and the weight of her belly is so much strain that theres no comfortable position for her to lie in. If she lays on her back the baby squishes her sciatic nerve, on her sides and the baby tugs at the skin and tendons on her sides. All she has for relief is Harry Potter, which she started at about 3 months into her pregnancy and she's now in the middle of book 5, she's a speed reader..

I don't read the paper copies. I read the audiobooks while I work out in the early mornings. Ok, ok I know some might say that reading has more to do with paper than ipods, but what I say to them is go tell that shit to their freind Barney Rubble cause I'm not listening.

....oooh. I feel asleep before I finished thsi and I don't quite remember what this post was supposed to be about. I'm just glad I posted it.

Hmmm, maybe the end of this can be a recap of the last few days since I stoped typing it.

Hmm.. India gate was nice. Caught up with (e:chico). I really like that dude he's generally cheery. His new gf is supa nice too. Ooh, a big shot out to (e:jim) for setting that up and James for putting up with Mya's craziness. She just about ate his face the entire time we were there.

Otherwise, I think my cat is having an affair with me. She's the only cat I can be near without going to an anaphylactic shock, or coughing until I vomit. Late at night I wake up to her laying on my pillow above my hair, which I think she chews on, or licking my lips, it's kinda hot... She's my favorite cat in the world. I keep trying to get (e:paul) to meet her since I'm convicned that she's natrually hypo-allergenic but he's not convinced.

I should end this soon, maybe just post a part too tommrow since if this is too long no body will want to read it.

Oooh one last thing. Let (e:pmt) borrow a copy of 300. I think that (e:paul) is going to hate it. It's really violent..., but something must be said about it's artistic presentation and the fact that there's 300 buff dudes in diapers. Like this dude, I'll just wait to get his review
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Ok peeps. I miss you dudes, but at least we have the journals. Speaking of I have a lot of catch up to do....

mrdeadlier - 08/10/07 09:15
Holy crap duder did you see this? :::link:::
paul - 08/09/07 21:48
This was my review from when I saw 300 with you guys in the theatre (e:paul,23282)
paul - 08/09/07 21:45
Ya, I saw it with you guys. I liked it way better than that Pan's Labyrinth movie because I kind of expected where it was going better, well and the eye candy.
mrdeadlier - 08/09/07 21:11
didn't paul go see 300 with us?

also, we should double-date or something sometime. or at least you 3 should hang and talk harry potter while i stay home and play madden, lol.

and yeah i'm dying to know if cathy's been cruising estrip lately. :)
tinypliny - 08/09/07 20:59
Yeah, good luck with the world's one and only hypoallergenic and amorous combo cat theory. :)
metalpeter - 08/09/07 19:00
I feel like I should say something but not sure what really other then glad you updated us on Megan. On the (e:pmt) picture I think you are talking about there is no way that I could do that all in one picture a close up where you couldn't see my face so no one knew it was me yeah that but a shot from a far and not even by myself there is no way I could have one of those publicly. Well maybe if it was on an adult dating site and only logged in members could see it, but on a public blogs no way. In terms of the 300 that is a really good movie. It is aggressive and very violent I kinda remember (e:paul) either talking about the meaning of it or commenting on the meaning of the movie when it first came out. I sort of remember someone posting a picture of the what the right word for the villian that looked kinda drag queenish. How the movie looks artisticly is amazing it really is, I should have baught it at target the other day but oh well.

07/06/2007 17:18 #39968

Casino Party of Love!
Yeah, I guess this should be about me, but whatever!

I don't know how many of you know Kim, but she' s an amazing girl, she's been at a ton of estrip parties, and it's her birthday on Tuesday!

What does this have to do with you... NOTHING! But her birthday party is being celebrated tommrow (that's Saturday June 7th), and it's casino themed.

She'd like everyone to dress up as swingers, and you get chips at the door, she even touted a bunch of other type naughtiness (toys and such), so there's going to be lost of fun and merriment to be had by all...

Her and her roomie spent lost of dough on this shindig and I think they just want it to be a smash success so i'm calling out the troops.

It starts at 7:00 pm and it's at 153 Mariner (for all of you non natives and those of you suffering from naïveté it's that street right next to the Old Pink in Allentown... yeah).

Um... I'm excited.

You should be too... er better yet you should come.


Ooh and just so you'll read this posting! Here's a picture of the toolset I wanna buy from Target. I'm not sure if I wanna get this or go to Sears for something of better quality, the only thing is I don't have a lot of time to deliberate. I have to put Mya's bike together tonight, if I don't she'll revolt!

If anyone has any better expertise on tools and things of that nature just reply or like send me a text or something, and don't be a tool. Show up at this party!


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jim - 07/06/07 20:36
It's probably too late, and you're putting the bike together as we speak, but think about getting a kit like this but maybe a sears / craftsmen one that's guaranteed for life.

Coming together all in one box, with a place for everything - that's the only hope you have of keeping your tools from being strewn everywhere and never finding them again. I've got a decent one like this and love that I know where it is if I need something.
paul - 07/06/07 20:24
That seems like too many tools in one box to believe they are quality. I could be wrong.
metalpeter - 07/06/07 19:47
To be honest I will be at a Bisons game at that time. But who knows maybe I'll swing by, after it since I live close. It would be kinda weird going to a party where you will be the only one I know. It would be even odder to take pictures, but anything is possible. Question how does one dress as a swinger?