Since I don't want to leave a long comment on his journal, I'll just post my own response like Libertad.
Firstly, before I get into it too far, Hezbollah isn't "correct" about anything. They are stone cold killers. They famously devalue the lives of the people they purport to represent by using them as shields. Their chief goal is to kill Jews and destroy the Jewish state, and their supporters wholeheartedly agree. They are not a good example for anyone who wants peace.
I agree that our abuse of the UN hasn't helped things. They are a corrupt and ineffective organization when it comes to keeping people alive and fed. The UN is famous for not being able to enforce law they write. Today millions are being destroyed, starved, persecuted and tortured, right under their nose, and all we see them doing is sitting at a table with fine china and wine, smiling. The newest resolution is probably the best the UN can do, and it is horribly inadequate. I think (and I've been guilty of this in the past) that the UN doesn't need to be piled upon, rather we should have been more "diplomatic" with our complaints, and worked harder to restore the UN, to make it better. Our choices have not been wise.
I wish that we could live in a world without war, but I am realistic in the sense that war will never cease to exist as long as someone has it in them to spill the blood of another in anger. More importantly, as long as there are people who pooh pooh, make excuses for, and mitigate terrorist bombings and killings there will always be a violent response because people resort to violence especially when the world ignores their dead, looking the other way.
In other words, I think the left has to take terrorism seriously, you have to be appalled by it, as much as the Israel bombings, if you want to see peace in our world. Nobody should make excuses for them. Nobody should gloss over despicable terrorist butcher jobs. If we want to see the end of war we also have to see the end of terrorism as well.
As much as it's the en vogue thing to do in some circles, it isn't correct to say that Bush is responsible for the world's violence. He in fact did not give anyone incentive to kill Jews, Indians, Muslims, Christians, or anyone else - people who hate do not need incentive. People kill Jews because they have gone through decades of indoctrination and hate training. Pakistanis kill Indians because of a long, ongoing territorial feud, among other things that I'm sure Ajay can elaborate on. To suggest that Bush is responsible for all of these things is only an exercise in blind partisan politics, something we all should be above if we really want to solve these problems. Now, if you want to say that the US and others fighting back would cause a bloody response from the Islamofascists, I could agree with that.
The problem for the Democrats is that they really don't have an answer for terrorism. People may not like the Republican response, but what the Republicans are offering (fight over there instead of over here) is a whole lot better than a vaccuum of ideas. I do have my quibbles, especially concerning Iraq, which was only attacked because it was an easy mark instead of a very important terror target. This Gore/Hillary (which I regret, ugh)/Shumer voter can be convinced to vote for a Democrat, but they have to have something other than some kind of vaporware "plan" they talk about (Kerry is famous for this) while bashing Republicans.
The Democrats are largely bullshit artists, doing what is politically convenient, to the anger and frustration of Democrats and Liberals everywhere who want a real anti-war candidate, and also to the frustration of other Americans who see them as appeasers and weak concerning our safety. They need to take a stand and stick with it. If all the left has to offer us is "Well, we're not Bush, we would be doing things differently" then they could very well crash and burn, despite the outrage against Republicans. I want to know what course is going to change. I want to know what Democrats are going to do about terrorism other than complain about every last thing the Bush Administration does. I am sick and fucking tired of this posturing and faking - I want a real plan from them if I'm going to give them my vote. I don't think it's too much to ask for. You, David, in this respect are 1000 times better than the politicians.
Anyhow, the real point here is that in order to see the end of war and terrorism, we need to be realistic in our approach, and we do need to convince the rest of the world that it is a serious problem that everyone on earth has a vested interest in. Us because we don't want our civilians getting slaughtered, and them because they definiitely don't want to experience a "real" assault on their populations as a result of terrorist bombings. It is good for nobody. We can talk honestly about our own policies that exacerbate the problems we see. We can change things. We can be better. We can ensure that we give the Islamofascists little to no excuse for their awful killing sprees. Do I think it is realistic to see the end of war, the end of violence? No, not in our lifetimes, but we can, no we must be honest about all of the problems and replace partisan hackery with ideas that set the end of violence and war in motion. We are the world's leaders, and it is our responsibility to show the world a better way. If we quit and resign war and terror to be utterly unsolvable, we can be sure that our days are numbered. Our lives depend on it.
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08/15/2006 13:46 #23673
My Response to DCoffeeCategory: war
08/12/2006 21:19 #23672
TimikaCategory: phone
My freakin shit ran out of battery too! I literally just got home. Anyhow if you have any other probs or questions regarding Mr. Thick (and not in a good way) let me know.
ladycroft - 08/15/06 14:07
haaaaaaaaa. thanks!
haaaaaaaaa. thanks!
08/08/2006 12:55 #23671
The Sophia of JasonCategory: potpourri
Have you noticed lately that things seem to be moving faster and becoming more intense? Violence, emotions, actions, time.....everything is perceived to be going at a crescendo...but to what?
To better understand, visualize the water poured down the drain. The water swirling closest to the drain appears to move the quickest.
To better understand, visualize the water poured down the drain. The water swirling closest to the drain appears to move the quickest.
libertad - 08/08/06 13:08
yes. are we about to be flushed now?
yes. are we about to be flushed now?
07/27/2006 23:55 #23670
Unanswered PostiesCategory: potpourri
For some reason I just wasn't able to view the posties that have been sent to me in the last week. So a few people have unanswered posties, and I feel badly about it.
Soo....
1) LC - Yeah I should be able to help you out on that day.
2) Nej - I have your answer - look for something in your e-mail soon.
Last, but certainly not least -
3) Libertad - Thank you for inviting me. As I've said I'm very fascinated. LC actually e-mailed also and asked if I wanted to go, I said yes, but I couldn't because I had to pick up Josh at the airport during that time. Of course, as shit happens sometimes, he didn't actually arrive until 2:30 AM! Terrible. Anyhow I appreciate the thought, and next time I definitely want to check it out!
Soo....
1) LC - Yeah I should be able to help you out on that day.
2) Nej - I have your answer - look for something in your e-mail soon.
Last, but certainly not least -
3) Libertad - Thank you for inviting me. As I've said I'm very fascinated. LC actually e-mailed also and asked if I wanted to go, I said yes, but I couldn't because I had to pick up Josh at the airport during that time. Of course, as shit happens sometimes, he didn't actually arrive until 2:30 AM! Terrible. Anyhow I appreciate the thought, and next time I definitely want to check it out!
07/25/2006 13:47 #23669
Protestors? Part DeuxCategory: politics
Well, I have to say I'm disappointed. I made it outrageous on purpose! (e:jewishpride), you misunderstood the thrust of my blog. In no way do I think Jewish lives are cheap. I don't think Lebanese lives are cheap for that matter. I doubt too many people at Bidwell understood that Hezbollah uses civilians (the very people who they provide services for!) to hide themselves and their munitions. They talk about "collective punishment," the liberal buzzword of the day, with no sense of irony at all.
Where are these jerks when Jews are getting death rained on them on a daily basis? Where is the outrage? I thought these people wanted peace! I thought these people were outraged by violence! Clearly this is only true when we go after the enemy. They don't protest Hamas or Hezbollah. They don't protest Al Qaeda. They aren't the self-styled caring people they purport themeselves to be. These protests are fucking disingenuous, and so are the protestors.
If they don't at all care about violence perpetrated by Islamofascist terrorists, then one has to wonder why. What's the reason? And I am absolutely NOT going to hear or put up with any assertions that they do care about Israeli deaths, because every single last action they make proves the opposite.
Next in Jason's Blog: Surge in aggressive Panhandling - What to do?
Where are these jerks when Jews are getting death rained on them on a daily basis? Where is the outrage? I thought these people wanted peace! I thought these people were outraged by violence! Clearly this is only true when we go after the enemy. They don't protest Hamas or Hezbollah. They don't protest Al Qaeda. They aren't the self-styled caring people they purport themeselves to be. These protests are fucking disingenuous, and so are the protestors.
If they don't at all care about violence perpetrated by Islamofascist terrorists, then one has to wonder why. What's the reason? And I am absolutely NOT going to hear or put up with any assertions that they do care about Israeli deaths, because every single last action they make proves the opposite.
Next in Jason's Blog: Surge in aggressive Panhandling - What to do?
metalpeter - 07/26/06 19:47
I know this is going to sound crazzy, it kinda is. There is only two ways to get peace in the middle east. The first is to give all the terrorists weapons and let them all fight untill they are all dead or untill one country takes it all over. That is basicly what happened thousands of years ago, there where a bunch of tribes and eventully one of them one out and controlled all of china (from what i understand). The second is to Bomb every middleastern country weather they are a friend or an enemy and just kill everbody there. Then you start over fresh. Now that might sound insane but it would cause peace. Now what about the innocants well there are things that could be done. What that is I'm sure. The problem over there is all these militants who can't forget the past. These people are sheep who completely destroy the meaning of their Holy books.
I know this is going to sound crazzy, it kinda is. There is only two ways to get peace in the middle east. The first is to give all the terrorists weapons and let them all fight untill they are all dead or untill one country takes it all over. That is basicly what happened thousands of years ago, there where a bunch of tribes and eventully one of them one out and controlled all of china (from what i understand). The second is to Bomb every middleastern country weather they are a friend or an enemy and just kill everbody there. Then you start over fresh. Now that might sound insane but it would cause peace. Now what about the innocants well there are things that could be done. What that is I'm sure. The problem over there is all these militants who can't forget the past. These people are sheep who completely destroy the meaning of their Holy books.
jason - 07/25/06 22:45
Zobar - HAHAHAHAHA! "Here's your change, mothafucka!"
Zobar - HAHAHAHAHA! "Here's your change, mothafucka!"
jason - 07/25/06 22:40
Actually (e:Ajay), when I learned of the Indian bombings I thought of you first. What would (e:Ajay) make of all this? I never did get around to asking you. I really don't appreciate the incinuation that I'm racist, then again I'm used to it. I'm rather certain the Jews are of a different race than myself, same for the Lebanese who are dying, and I've expressed grief for both.
I do not put a qualifier in place when talking about who is worthy of peace, unless they are heinous terrorist jerks. All peoples who are victimized by terrorism (these also include the folks who perish as a result of reaction) should be mourned.
It is this thought that made me so upset at the protest. Those people sure as hell made a decision as to who is worthy to live in peace. And where the hell were they when India got bombed by those Islamofascist fucks? The focus of their compassion is embarrassingly narrow, yet they are the first to pat themselves on the back. I'm sure they felt great about what they did. Who feels good about a job half done?
Actually (e:Ajay), when I learned of the Indian bombings I thought of you first. What would (e:Ajay) make of all this? I never did get around to asking you. I really don't appreciate the incinuation that I'm racist, then again I'm used to it. I'm rather certain the Jews are of a different race than myself, same for the Lebanese who are dying, and I've expressed grief for both.
I do not put a qualifier in place when talking about who is worthy of peace, unless they are heinous terrorist jerks. All peoples who are victimized by terrorism (these also include the folks who perish as a result of reaction) should be mourned.
It is this thought that made me so upset at the protest. Those people sure as hell made a decision as to who is worthy to live in peace. And where the hell were they when India got bombed by those Islamofascist fucks? The focus of their compassion is embarrassingly narrow, yet they are the first to pat themselves on the back. I'm sure they felt great about what they did. Who feels good about a job half done?
paul - 07/25/06 21:46
(e:ajay), for once I have to say that I don't think (e:jason) thought any less of the indians being bombed than he did of the israelis. It is just that there was no corresponding protest at Bidwell to get him started. On another note, I am not sure that everyone considers Israelis to be white people. In fact I am sure there are a whole lot of people that don't.
(e:ajay), for once I have to say that I don't think (e:jason) thought any less of the indians being bombed than he did of the israelis. It is just that there was no corresponding protest at Bidwell to get him started. On another note, I am not sure that everyone considers Israelis to be white people. In fact I am sure there are a whole lot of people that don't.
zobar - 07/25/06 19:02
"Surge in aggressive Panhandling - What to do?"
Fight back with aggressive donating. Paste 'em upside the head with a sock full of nickels.
- Z
"Surge in aggressive Panhandling - What to do?"
Fight back with aggressive donating. Paste 'em upside the head with a sock full of nickels.
- Z
joshua - 07/25/06 16:57
Actually, if you take a breath for a second Ajay, you'd understand that Jason is the type of guy that would be upset about the Indian lives as well. Personally I think its an absolute tragedy but I'm not surprised that it happened either.
Secondly, the strategic importance of destroying the infrastructure in southern Lebanon is extremely obvious. Hezbollah OWNS that part of the country, as well as entire sections of south Beirut. In certain parts of Beirut you do not travel through without permission from Hezbollah. I'm not particularly surprised that they are storing weapons there and operating HQ activities in civilian areas - they are chickenshits that are willing to prop up the innocent in front of bullets.
Actually, if you take a breath for a second Ajay, you'd understand that Jason is the type of guy that would be upset about the Indian lives as well. Personally I think its an absolute tragedy but I'm not surprised that it happened either.
Secondly, the strategic importance of destroying the infrastructure in southern Lebanon is extremely obvious. Hezbollah OWNS that part of the country, as well as entire sections of south Beirut. In certain parts of Beirut you do not travel through without permission from Hezbollah. I'm not particularly surprised that they are storing weapons there and operating HQ activities in civilian areas - they are chickenshits that are willing to prop up the innocent in front of bullets.
ajay - 07/25/06 16:49
... and where was (e:Jason) when 200+ Indians were killed by the same "Islamofascists" couple of weeks ago? Where was (e:Jason)'s rant against them? Oh right: only White lives matter. What difference does it make when a few 100 brown people get blown to pieces?
And by the way (e:Jason) : I'm sure the Hezbollah were hiding under the gas tanks at Beirut International Airport. And under the bridges. And inside the water purification plants. And the power plants. And ...
... and where was (e:Jason) when 200+ Indians were killed by the same "Islamofascists" couple of weeks ago? Where was (e:Jason)'s rant against them? Oh right: only White lives matter. What difference does it make when a few 100 brown people get blown to pieces?
And by the way (e:Jason) : I'm sure the Hezbollah were hiding under the gas tanks at Beirut International Airport. And under the bridges. And inside the water purification plants. And the power plants. And ...
Great points Jason
First I want to mention that I am not a pacifist, I know that sometimes military action is needed to create peace. To last example of this was World War 2, perhaps the first Gulf War. I know we cannot disarm because somebody else will inevitably develop weapons.
What I am saying is that a proactive military and a policy of preemptive war does not lead toward security. It simply encourages retaliation and perpetuates the cycle of violence and revenge.
We need to put bad people on trial, to show why they are truly bad and why we are the good guys for stopping them. Bombing an entire city to kill some people that we have labeled terrorists does not prove that the United States is a just country, nor does it prove that the ‘terrorist’ disserved to die. Instead, it proves that we do not care about their people, and that the terrorists were right to build up an army to defend their people from the US.
I’m not sure about your claim that Hezbollah uses people as human shields. It is easy for a right wing radio host to say this in a fit of argument, but they may not have any proof. They are likely to assume that all terrorists are beasts, and may be making wild claims based on that assumption. I would like to see some proof of this before I take it as a fair measure of the character of Hezbollah.
Also I’m not a Democrat, I hope they win in November but I do not think that their party is much better than the Republicans. I think the two party system has run its course in America, and it’s time to move toward a more representative democracy that uses Instant Runoff Voting and therefore has more parties.
The classification of “conservative†and “liberal†is much too simplified. I think we have at least 4 parties in this country. The most substantial party split can be seen within the conservatives. You have Neo-cons, who love deficits war and corporate welfare, and then you have fiscal conservatives that are concerned with a balanced budget, market competition, and personal liberty. Very different but both are lumped under the term “Republicanâ€
As for a war strategy, I don’t think it is wise to try and hold Iraq together, there are 3 separate cultures living within borders that we drew after WWII. They want self governance, they are emerging from centuries of colonial rule and they want their own independence. Our best plan of action would be to enable a peaceful 3 state transition in Iraq. Might not be so great for our short term interests, but bringing the world back from the brink of World War 3 is more important.
“We are the world's leaders, and it is our responsibility to show the world a better way.â€
Very insightful, we had been doing this by relying on Human Rights and international law. Preemptive war is not a better way.
Jason, I just typed 3 friggen paragraphs and my computer restarted. Reply comming soon.
I have heard it said the the Republicans are the party of Bad ideas and the Democrats and the party of No ideas and you post does say that and I must agree with you there.
I aslo think that the UN has been run badily and as you said just sat by and watched Genocides happen. Us going to the UN then going counter to what they said may have Killed any creditablity they had. If the UN worked the way it should when we invaded then UN Troops would Have had guns on us and said I don't think so we said NO!! But That UN wouldn't let genocides happen either. I think race has a lot to do with it. If it would have been a European Country doing it then it would have been big deal but africans who gives a fuck.
I think Bush has made things worse in the Middle East, but they were allready preaty fucked up. I don't like the guy but it isn't all his fault. I was going to say more but I forgot my next point.