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02/21/2014 21:44 #58714

Thoughts on Mrs. Jellyby
Category: feminism
So, I've been reading Dickens' "Bleak House" lately and made it to chapter four where the reader is introduced to Mrs. Jellyby.

Mrs. Jellyby is a philanthropist whose latest project involves coffee cultivation in Africa that is meant to be for the ultimate good of the natives as well as those who have settled there. Mrs. Jellyby is described as a woman of "remarkable strength of character" by Mr. Kenge before the main character reaches her house to find many young children, dirty, with one who has gotten his head stuck between two iron railings. After the main character helps this boy out, they are led upstairs to meet Mrs. Jellyby, and as they are going up they hear another little Jellyby falling down the stairs. They are introduced to Mrs. Jellyby, who is not at all bothered by the sound of one of her children falling down the stairs. She is described as having eyes that have a "curious habit of seeming to look a long way off...as if...they could see nothing nearer than Africa." She is extremely unkempt, her house is a wreck (with the curtains in one of the rooms being fastened with a fork), she has relegated her eldest daughter to do nothing but dictate letters on her African project, and her husband is an inconsequential man who doesn't say anything and fades into the background. In short, she has focused her efforts on everything else but her home.

When I was reading this, I couldn't help but wonder if I was a Mrs. Jellyby. It made me wonder whether I have sacrificed too much on the domestic side of things in order to focus on my passions. I'll openly admit that I have an "I want to save the world" complex, and this is a long running between me and Matt at home. I'll also openly admit that domestic tasks are not my first priority, but I can't go so far as to say that's a fault. Do I think Mrs. Jellyby is right to ignore her children and the house around her to the degree she does? No. But, my answer would be the same if this were Mr. Jellyby we were talking about. Further, it's my opinion that men who sacrifice everything in their home life, even if they leave it to their significant other to pick up the pieces, are no better (but there hasn't been much criticism about that form of neglect).

I think that it's good to have passion, and to stand up for what you believe in. I think there is more to life for women than cleaning up and taking care of children. I think that children are better off when they have a strong female model that has passions but also is there to be a guide, and I don't believe women have to choose between having a career and having children.

As for Dickens' Mr. Jellyby, the book seems to paint him as a victim of his wife's disinterest in her house, but I can't agree there either. He has a responsibility not to sit idly by if he is so miserable. If your wife isn't good at taking care of kids, don't have so many, get a nanny, or do it yourself!! If you don't like that your household is a mess, than get off your ass and clean it. Yes, I said it. Men, you can get up and clean your household if it's not as clean as you would like it. Allowing yourself to become nothing but an afterthought is no one's fault but your own. I have no patience for this theory that strong women=neutered men.

Why am I ranting about Dickens' views on feminism as illustrated in an 1852 novel? I'm ranting because this line of thinking is still prevalent today. How many times must we hear about how things are so horrible today because women have gone to work? There are lots of things, other than the rise of feminism, that can be attributed to that.

So, while I may be like Mrs. Jellyby in some respects, I know that I've done my best to balance my home life with my other passions, responsibilities, etc., and I will not feel guilty about my choices simply because I am a woman.

metalpeter - 02/22/14 19:47
Now I've never had a desk job so I don't know.... But I'm guessing just a guess that the European Model is better... I say this because .. People who have a good and fun (but not to much time away from work kind of fun) environment are more productive .... If you go into work dreading it makes it hard to work... Being pissed off though can push one in a physical job to do more...... I don't want to say to much but my Job went from decent with some anger causing things but dealable to miserable and a made like 4 errors that I never make I caught them.... I do like that in Europe they give you more time to take and you do.. I might be a bit Biased cause where I work we have so much work and if one guy slacks off it puts the work on other people... Same thing with some days off.... Think here in the states they give you time but use and it is looked down on.... Yes in past I got in trouble for using to much sick time (mental health day have to lie if you have kids that are sick you have to lie... Call in with my kid is sick taking to doctor even with note not paid ) ... Sorry for rant on your post ............
uncutsaniflush - 02/22/14 19:38
Upon rereading what I wrote last night, I think I may have come across stronger or harsher than I intended. Sorry about that.

When I was talking about the marginalization (perhaps not the best word) of working women in feminist doctrine, I was thinking of the so-called "third wave" feminists of the 1990s who said that the feminism was too white and upper middle-class. They wanted feminism to be more inclusive of social class and race.
metalpeter - 02/22/14 19:37
Every worker is different some people care about what they do some don't , some people work very hard, some people not so much, some people spend more time figuring out how they will do the work then doing, some people can do the work at home thing .... I not saying that people are paid for their value (wish they where) ... In fact I think where I work my value should give me a higher rate of pay then I'm at (but no one knows what any else get paid but that is a different story) .... Now I'm not saying that all women in a family are the ones who do all that stuff... If they are a nurse they can't leave so dad has to do all that.... (I've worked with men who picked up the kids and where the ones who did that) .... But the nurse thing is an example of why women make less money then men... yes there are some women doctors of course and there are some male nurses... I don't have stats but from what I've seen growing up doctors are higher in the pay scale then nurses so that throws of the gender equality thing.... I'm also not saying women should be paid less... I like the idea of equal work equal pay... But it isn't fair if on monday the guys come in hung over from watching football and don't do anything they shouldn't be paid the same as the person who works all day..... I'm not saying that women shouldn't be paid for maternity leave and I like that their job is protected.... But the fact is that unless it is a job they can do from home, someone else has to do that work and be trained in it or be brought in.... Thankfully I'm not a boss or Manager but that does take away from their value....
thechefsky - 02/22/14 18:17
I think that your argument depends on how you define value. I would say that more time at work doesn't necessarily make you more valuable. For instance, a person with a family may be better at using their time efficiently than someone who doesn't. The same goes for quality of work. The woman who has to take off because her kid is sick may be better qualified to do the job than her male counterpart. Also, I don't believe in this model where people must be chained to their desks to produce. I haven't done the research myself, but I've heard that European countries have work models where people work less, but they employ more people to get the work done. So, your spreading the cost of production across more people and people are not overworked.
metalpeter - 02/22/14 13:59
I'm going to take some shit for this at that is ok ....
1. Never read Dickens
2. Women do make less then men but there is a difference between how much they make and how much they make for doing the same job... look at athletes more people watch mens sports so there is more money ....
3. But see what no one wants to admit is if you have a women and a man in the same job... The women has less worth.... When or if she gets pregnant she get paid for maternity leave for not working... When the kids get sick she is the one that goes home and again gets paid for not being there... When their is a school thing again she is the one that leaves ... In terms of making money they have less value... This is not only true of women this is true of people with families over single people... When my "Baby" is sick got to stay home in bed with her or when horny it is a sick day again I'm paid for this... but single people don't call in sick cause they don't have a reason to unless really sick.... This is also true of say in some jobs people with out families cause they will work holidays.... Every employee has a different value in the work force.... in some places it works the other way... Women bring men into some places like bars so they have more value ......
thechefsky - 02/22/14 08:44
First, I'm not sure how someone can argue that feminism marginalized lower class women, when they were already marginalized. Second, I'm not clear where in all my comments that you got the impression that I don't value all the women that have gone before me or that I don't appreciate single working class women, because I do. But none of this changes our realities. Third, I recognize that I have more choices than women did before, but that doesn't mean that today's inequalities and double standards are acceptable.
uncutsaniflush - 02/22/14 01:26
Just for the record, radical critics of 20th Century feminism say 20th Century feminists are the ones that say that working class women didn't matter. Don't lay that shit on me. I grew up in a single parent working class home. My mom was one of the women that feminism marginized because of her class. She didn't have a choice. In the 1960s, it was work or die. It didn't matter if she had a child. I suggest that when you think about how much your life sucks, you should think about all the women that were born before you. Without these brave women, you wouldn't have the choices that you do today.
uncutsaniflush - 02/22/14 00:20
I am lucky that I have led a charmed life (though not everyone might see it as such). I reap the benefits of institutional racism and sexism because of my race and gender.

Since I have a voice, I use it to defend and protect those who don't have a voice. I use my voice to advocate for the people that our society says doesn't matter.

People of good will all fight the good fight. I am fortunate that I can focus on fighting for the rights of others.
thechefsky - 02/21/14 23:28
Uncut, I get that they were supposed the Mr. and Mrs. were supposed to be figures of fun (and they were), which is why I like Dickens, but I do think there was a critique of women who choose to put their attention elsewhere. As far as things today are concerned, we certainly aren't where we were in 1852, but it is very real that women are still held to different standards than men, they don't earn as much, and they still are expected to handle work and home life issues much more so than men. I know this from personal experience, and I don't think I just happen to be trapped within some dying breed of Americans that still doesn't get it. I think these are still very real situations that women are dealing with every day. I acknowledge that women in lower classes did work, but, as you said, they didn't matter and their homes were expected to be a wreck and their kids unkempt. I'm more focused on what society sees as acceptable for those that it does recognize.
uncutsaniflush - 02/21/14 23:16
I concur with YesThatCasey. In Victorian times, women worked in factories and textile mills and even coal mines. But they were not middle class or upper class women so they didn't matter. In the working class, women have pretty always worked since the industrial age. The idea of feminism and women working was a middle and upper class phenomenon. Working class women had no choice. In a very real sense, it was work or die. On the other hand, middle and upper class women did have a choice, they could stay at home and be supported by their spouse or choose to get employment outside the home.
YesThatCasey - 02/21/14 23:03
"...this line of thinking is still prevalent today."

I'd question this claim. There is a dwindling segment of western cultures that still maintains this belief, but overall I'd say this is very much a dying breed. They attract a great deal of attention, but this attraction is precisely because of how ridiculous this mindset is given our current understandings.

That said, your post, and uncut's response, really make me think I need to go back and read some Dicken's.
uncutsaniflush - 02/21/14 22:55
I've not read Bleak House in over 20 years, but, if my memory serves me correctly, and I think it does - both Mr. and Mrs Jellyby were supposed to be figures of fun (if not ridicule) to Dickens' readers. I think it is very important to remember whilst reading Dickens that he wrote with a deep sense of irony.

Dickens uses irony verbally, dramatically, and situationally. And sometimes, he does all three in the same paragraph.

Dickens wrote Bleak House during the reign of Queen Victoria. This helped shape the perception of women in Dickens' readers. The idea that a strong, capable, intelligent woman might exist was not a foreign one to them. Their country was led by one.

02/25/2013 17:53 #57290

Officially Quoted
Category: firsts
I was quoted in the UB school newspaper earlier this month on my experience visiting prisons.


02/18/2013 21:31 #57262

Life is F****** Hard
Category: life
Things have been really rough lately. To top things off I spoke to my sister, who is not doing well. She can't find a decent job, is behind on her rent, and feels like giving up. She also has been sick and she said the doctor's found a lump. I don't know what I would ever do if I lost my sister, and this scares the crap out of me. I told her to consider moving up here. I really wish my family wasn't so spread out.
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thechefsky - 02/25/13 17:54
Thanks for the virtual hugs! They were much needed. :)
metalpeter - 02/19/13 16:01
Oh my point is there is help out there to be found.....
metalpeter - 02/19/13 16:00
I don't know what to say really.... yeah it is and I've been having trouble dealing with it my self just didn't get it till now.... I'm starting to try and find help... Not sure how much it helps or not yet but hoping it does.... Think (e:heidi) said it best hugs hugs hugs!!!
heidi - 02/19/13 15:49
hugs hugs hugs!!!
thechefsky - 02/19/13 15:09
Thanks Paul! Missing my family was the hardest thing about moving here, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do.
paul - 02/19/13 11:24
Hope its turns out to be nothing. One of the main reasons I stay here is that my brother is here.

01/17/2013 22:18 #57143

Down and Out
Category: law school
Well I've had a really crappy few days. I am officially crashing and I can't seem to get anything meaningful done. I also think that I'm starting to come down with the sickness that's been going around my household for the past week (another obstacle that's been in my way). To top it all off I feel extremely guilty because it's not as if I'm simply on break and my stagnant behavior effects no one. I'm supposed to be helping to finish this research project that I'm helping on, and I just feel frozen. Not fun. On the upside, I'm back into practicing my Spanish. :)

P.S. I did take that tour of Albion and I plan to write about my experience. Much different. Also, I'll be doing the Prison Task Force this semester, and I get to teach legal research and writing to prisoners at Wende. So psyched.

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heidi - 01/18/13 11:16
Sometimes our brains & bodies just need a break. You push yourself very hard! Drink lots of fluids and sleep.

11/29/2012 22:12 #56940

Wende Visit
Category: prisoners' rights
Initial Impression

I visited the Wende Correctional Facility today. Wende is a men’s maximum security prison in Alden, NY. There is a long fence that goes along the front of the building padded with rows and rows of barbed wire. When you enter the gate to go up to the front door, there is barbed wire above your head as well. This was really intense compared to Attica that has a 35’ foot high (and deep) wall that goes around the perimeter. However, once we got into the reception area I saw a Christmas tree and decorations. For a minute, it felt like I was in a regular office, or maybe a Sheriff’s office in a small town. The other difference I noticed right away was the presence of women. While at Attica, I may have seen one woman during the whole tour; although, I can’t even recall if I did or not. I saw African American Correction Officers as well. I hadn’t seen any at Attica. The guards were a lot friendlier too. They weren’t as wrapped up in trying to scare us.

Introduction

After getting checked in, we went into the visitor’s room, which was a lot smaller than the one at Attica; however, it should be noted that the population is more than half of that at Attica with approximately 950 inmates. I believe the count at Attica is about 2200. The introduction we got at Wende was similar to that Attica where we were told that everything that we have on the outside (gangs, drugs, sex, etc.) they have on the inside. The one guard compared their positions (the Co’s) to that of police on the outside, which I thought was interesting. Apparently, Wende’s claim to fame is two-fold. First, it is a processing center for seven counties in the area. When county prisoners become “state ready” (after they’ve been sentenced) they go to Wende for initial processing. While there, they are strip/cavity searched, deliced, and given a medical evaluation. Once they have been processed, they’re off to another facility to be further processed. As a result, they handle a lot of volume on a daily basis, despite their relatively small size. Second, the guards were sure to mention, that instead of Attica, they were really the ones who got the “worst of the worst” because they had to take in all of Attica’s “problem children” that get transferred. I thought it was interesting how the guards at each facility wanted to establish how really “bad ass” their facility was compared to any of the others. When one of the guards was asked if he ever had to use his baton, he said that thankfully in 26 years (the entire time that he’s been an officer) he hadn’t had to use his baton because you learn to use your brain instead of your strength. This response was almost word for word what the guard said while giving the introduction at Attica. Coincidence? I highly doubt it.

"Belly of the Beast"

After the intro we were off. We split up into two groups. When we got to the main entrance/corridor, the guard said this is where your heart should start pumping because from this point on you’re on the inside, or something to that effect. I was a little scared. Wende is a lot louder than Attica. In Attica it seemed that you could virtually hear a pin drop. That certainly wasn’t the case at Wende. The prisoners had a different attitude as well. At Attica, when we walked by, the prisoners would stop and avert their eyes while we walked by. The prisoners here looked straight at us and talked amongst themselves or to the guard. There was also less a sense of treating the inmates as inferior. For instance, several times our guard said that these guys (the inmates) were really smart and had they used their smarts toward a different end things could have ended up differently, or that there is good and bad in everyone. The guards were really candid too about the fact that sometimes guards do get out of hand and sometimes guards or civilians on the inside are corrupt and bring contraband into the jails. Another moment of honesty was when the guard said that he felt it was unfair that inmates get medical treatment within a few days, but they have to wait a few months while their procedures (MRIs and the like) are cleared through insurance. Although, the short answer to that is that the State is responsible for the custody and care of prisoners, so it is their duty. The real issue is that it shouldn’t take that long for someone to be able to get a medical procedure, if they need it, but that’s an entirely different issue. There were some cynics. At one point a guard said that he didn’t think there could be such a thing as an “honor” block in a prison. Another guard said, “we make money off of them, and pretty soon you will be too.” Overall, though, the environment seemed to be more positive than the one at Attica. They’re prison was organized differently too. They kept individuals with IQs below 70 in special housing, segregated from the general population. They had a hospice unit for those that were dying, and the prisoners get to work as hospice aids in the prison, sitting with these individuals who are dying and helping them to live their last days as comfortably as possible.

Prisoner Interview

At the end of the tour we were brought into what looked like an old classroom to meet the inmates we would be talking to. We talked to four inmates. Three of them were African American, the other was Caucasian. Just as at Attica, I was extremely impressed with these men. These men had managed to rehabilitate themselves in a facility where violence is the norm and instead they were able to find some inner peace. They all worked at hospice, most, if not all, had learned sign language and translated for deaf inmates at the prison. Some worked with blind inmates as well. They all were involved with the school there (that was another difference-more educational opportunities seemed to be available at Wende versus Attica). When I asked about gang violence, they all said it was a problem, but one of them said that, from his perspective, the problem was that you have all these young kids (some as young as 16 and 17) coming through the system and they just know that they don’t want to be the victim. It’s either you or them. He went on to say that some may not even want to be in a gang, but they do it because they don’t know how to be on their own. They talked a little of their plans, and what they hoped to do afterwards. All of them wanted to give back to their community in some shape or form. In two of the cases, the prisoners claimed that they had been involved in a situation where someone was murdered, but the actual murderer received less time than they did. One of them had been sentenced to 20 years for a robbery (his prior offences were two DWIs). After our interview was done, one of the officers felt it necessary to point out that a prisoner can use a trash bag to strangle you or burn it so that it becomes hard enough to stab you with it. This seemed like an obvious ploy to try and re-instill that fear of prisoners lest we forget that these are really monsters that we’re dealing with. Right after this little demonstration the tour was over.

Closing Thoughts

With respect to the impossibility of having an “honor” block in a maximum security prison, I disagree. To me, if you can accept what you’ve done wrong, make peace with it, and change your life for the better, that is honorable. I think men like this have a lot to offer, especially when you have whole communities where positive male figures, or any male figures for that matter, are sorely lacking.

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thechefsky - 12/01/12 20:32
As far as the distinction between Attica and Wende, that is the stereotype, but prisoners are frequently transferred between the two facilities. For example, apparently, the man who shot John Lennon was recently transferred from Attica to Wende. With respect to the guards, I have no doubt that they have the best intentions. However, I think it's extremely misguided to think that a man can't change over the course of 17 years in prison, especially when you consider how young many of them are when they arrive. I know that I have changed drastically since I was 19.
metalpeter - 12/01/12 09:45
I assume when you said deliced that the only way to make sure there wasn't any was the old sterotype of the fire hose ....... But, still very interesting.... You would know more then I But I thought Attica was for more what shall we call them Hard Core criminals like murder... I thought now maybe just from what I've heard a lot of drug crimes go to Wende ..... Regardless I think the Guards need to remind you that no matter what the crime people who are locked up that don't want to be become dangerous and just cause you are interested in their rights they aren't these little innocent little kittens ... The reason I say this is I don't know how much info they give the guards but they are supposed to keep you and the prisoners and the workers safe... Very interesting...
thechefsky - 11/30/12 18:42
Deloused!! I knew deliced was wrong, but I couldn't find a better alternative. Thank you!! I'm glad you guys liked the article. Albion (women's prison) should be next.
libertad - 11/30/12 18:34
I have enjoyed reading your experiences too. I can't remember if I mentioned before or not but I talk to prisoners in NYS DOC all the time. Most of them are really great and appreciative of the help that we provide them. Their info is public record and I am shocked sometimes at the length of the sentences, usually I think they are too long.

I'm surprised they are still deloused. I wonder if it is like they do it in the movies like Shawshank Redemption.
heidi - 11/30/12 12:29
This pair of posts is so powerful. Thank you for writing them.
paul - 11/30/12 10:16
Another great article, I felt like I was there. You should write a book.