This was never a way I wanted to make my introduction on this site, but since I pretty much know, at least slightly, everyone who is reading a post about me, I feel it necessary to correct some things that didn’t really need to be misrepresented in the first place. How orderly this will be is questionable, since it isn’t as if this was some single incident that happened. For the most part I will focus on the misrepresentations Tony is perpetuating.
First off, Tony is not an enemy; he is someone that I simply do not respect anymore. This is largely because he had made it clear he does not respect me. He might argue that last point, because he wouldn’t want to come across as someone that has disrespected me. However, the fact that he thinks he is my enemy, that he thinks I went to Brushwood and intentionally antagonized him, that he thinks I’m somehow worried he’d fuck my girlfriend, that I’m toxic, and so on, should give some clues as to how much he really respects me.
I’ll start off with the girl though. First of all, I wasn’t pissed off that he was flirting with a girl I was with. The situation was this: I walk up with Sarah right at my side, planning to introduce Tony and her. Before I can say a word, the second he turns around he goes right up to her, starts licking and kissing her face (of which she is glancing at me and obviously quite uncomfortable) and completely ignores Nick (our other friend in the group) and I. This goes on for about a minute, without any encouragement from Sarah, before he finally acknowledges us. I know it sounds so much simpler when you call that “flirtingâ€, but I think most reasonable people would say that goes beyond flirting.
In this case, Tony was at least slightly intoxicated if not outright drunk and, while I was definitely annoyed, I could have dismissed it but for one thing: when I spoke to Tony about it a few days later, he made it clear that he did not regret anything and that he would do it all over again. Now, Tony’s approach of whoring himself out to any woman who will give a split-second of her time is not my approach, though I haven’t knocked him for it (I have expressed my disagreement with it). But, when he basically stated that I had to jump in-between them to stop this from happening, I had a lot of trouble seeing anyone but a selfish jackass who was putting his dick before his friends.
Now, mind you, I’m only scratching the surface here, and this wasn't the beginning as Tony claimed. A 15-year friendship is an invaluable thing to me. I can’t say this is as absolute a rule as I would like it to be, but I do try to accept and appreciate the foibles of my friends (and actually, I think I’m getting pretty good at this). I know that I have many, many foibles myself, and I know that reaching the point of friendship with others is tough for me since I am an introvert. For these reasons and others it took something much greater for me to decide Tony is not someone I want anything to do with. That is where honesty comes in: I cannot consider dishonesty anything other than a critical flaw, and Tony has been falling victim to this more and more as the years have progressed. Worse, it has been malicious.
His post is a good demonstration of his willingness to bend or twist the truth to his liking, if not outright lying.
He wasn’t concerned with going into the details of the Sarah incident. In fact, contrary to what he said, he never apologized. He was quite adamant about not apologizing, which is supported by the position he took. But now, according to his post, he apologized that night (we barely even talked that night, and certainly not about that, but, again, maybe it was his drunkenness).
He wasn’t concerned with the truth when he wrote about how I was out to get him at Brushwood; I wasn’t, I asked others to be sure nothing came across that way, and if Tony had actually committed earlier I was planning on doing something else (I had, in fact, committed before him). Surprisingly enough, I thought the weekend had actually worked quite well somehow, until he started txting others to express his frustration during the ride back.
He certainly wasn’t concerned about the truth when he talked about Jen. I didn’t move to Cali to be with Jen, I moved to Cali to look for work after graduating and to see some more of the world, and Jen enabled me to do that by offering her couch to me. I had just finished a great experience in Hawaii, and I was excited to do the same for another city. Another little problem in his claim is the fact that Jen had a boyfriend at that time, so it wouldn’t have made much sense to move 2600 miles to try and get with a girl in a committed relationship. But, you know, that’s just me out to screw Tony again. Worse, it suggests that I would ever go after a girl in a committed relationship, which is very much against who I am fundamentally, and I hope everyone other than Tony knows this about me (if you know me to begin with).
That wasn’t the only lie. Unfortunately, her boyfriend had some serious problems that were affecting Jen. She wound up breaking up with him while I was still couch crashing, and there was a point where we had explored stepping beyond friends. We both decided, for reasons Tony isn’t even aware of, that we would not. This was the 2nd of 3 different times where we had gone beyond friends, going as far back as 10 years ago, as much as Tony would like to suggest that Jen belongs to him. There was nothing that happened in any of those forays that made me hate Tony, contrary to his sentiment. Frankly, it had nothing to do with him, and I find it absurd that he thinks it does.
What does have to do with Tony and Jen is that, for 10 fucking years now, he has been stringing her along, telling her how much he loves her, yet never actually committing to her when the opportunities have presented themselves. Tony’s lack of commitment can be laughed off most times, but I don’t find anything funny about that type of attitude towards one of my friends in this scenario. Quite frankly, Tony has really become a bit of a chauvinistic ass in his treatment of women. He has blatantly stated that women are often nothing more than something to be fucked, and he is willing to use the exceptional social skills that he has developed since I have known him to get what he wants from them and then get the fuck out. So, to have him critique me on my treatment of a woman who I respect so thoroughly would be quite a laugh were he not serious. Anyway, I (mostly) digress. I can say I’ve never had trouble saying my thoughts to him outright (another of his misrepresentations), other than beyond the normal trouble I experience when trying to express myself. This includes anything that happened between me and Jen. Most of what is any of his business he already knows. Of course, very little of it is his business.
The whole part of his post about me that is “really fucking gay� Yeah, another misrepresentation. Accidental, I’m sure. This wasn’t about me seeing pictures and getting sad. This was about Tony and I basically not hanging out for a year, other than Street Fighter nights (good times). Occasionally we would get into discussions about hanging out, and he would tell me that he literally hasn’t been doing anything and has been really busy with the house, etc. Of course, Facebook puts all that shit out there. I didn’t care so much about not being invited to those things; we all have our own lives, and I am an adult, geez. Again, it was just about the honesty. And, again, just a small thing that could have been easily overlooked. But, when he needed money from me in the middle of this year, all of the sudden we hung out 3 days in a row. The only time in the year when just the two of us were hanging out, and it happened to be when he was in dire financial straits, and 3 days in a row. He would insist the two had nothing to do with each other, but, sorry, I just don’t buy that. Had he just been honest, asked for the cash, and skipped the buttering, I still would have been fine with lending him the money, as I have many times before because I will always try to help out my friends when they ask for it.
The most classic Tony moment in that essay is his belief that my envy of him is what’s pushing us apart. Tony doesn’t realize just how little I envy him. Yeah, I’d like to improve my social skills, but even if I were as socially talented as he is, I'd still prefer to build deep and lasting relationships with people as opposed to knowing a few superficial details about a thousand people in the city. Beyond that, he has nothing I want. He takes advantage of people and gets away with it because he is entertaining. He has told mutual friends that he would buy their house that he was renting, but I knew when he first said it he likely wasn’t speaking the truth, and time has proven that belief. He is renowned for his lack of commitment, and this is what has made it difficult for me to not show up when he is there since our friendship ended. I passed on a Thursday in the square because he was going there with the group I was invited with, but then the group never saw him for the rest of the night. I decided I’m not going to cater to his whims.
As we neared the end of our relationship and he told me not to come over and visit his roommate Sameer, he did so by saying that I was a threat to his property and, most disgustingly of all, to his daughter. The fact that he would suggest I would harm his daughter, a girl who slept in the house I lived in, a girl who supposedly would one day call me “uncleâ€, a girl who was nothing more than a child, well, yeah, that’s one of the comments that could still lead me into decking Tony. That was an absolutely despicable tactic, and was close to solidifying the end of anything amicable between us. The fact that he is trying to say I have hurt people before is another blatant, disgusting lie. I am not a vindictive person. If you commit some horrible wrong towards me, for the most part the worst that can happen is what is now happening between me and Tony: I simply don’t acknowledge your existence. Not surprisingly, he offers no evidence of this side of me.
The last nail in the coffin though was when we were talking at my house and trying to hash things out yet again. Over the year, Tony had made it clear that there were many things he did not like about me nor respect about me. I was struggling to understand why we were friends at all. He would make me feel like shit about myself, telling me how I need to stop doing this or how I’m an ass by doing that, finding the smallest thing to criticize without ever really expressing anything he liked about what I brought to the table. I’m already very self-conscious around people, and he was feeding these irrational fears.
During the final conversation, he stated that there was no point in talking to me, because I can and will simply say whatever it takes to make myself right. Now, I can’t say I’m always able to pinpoint and weigh the values of varying points being made, nor is my logic infallible, but I sure as fucking hell make an honest attempt to reach a valid conclusion, or at least contribute to an honest dialogue. I care about it so much that it was the primary reason I studied philosophy. Uhg.
By the end of that week, after a great deal of reflection, I had realized that Tony really didn’t respect any part of me, nor could we even have a discussion considering what he believes about me. Worse, I realized that he was a ‘friend’ who was constantly making me feel like shit about myself. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that since our friendship has ended I’ve been in a much better mood.
In the end, Tony’s egomania and dishonesty are just not something I want to be around. I can’t hang out with someone who believes so much of who I am and what I do is somehow out to get him. That I am so base of a person to commit the acts that he thinks I would commit. I have my flaws, but now I have one less flaw in my life.
That being said, I apologize that this drama is taking up any time in your life (except you Paul, I know you’re enjoying this, lol). And, sincerely, I’ve really enjoyed everyone I met in this circle. I hope you don’t take Tony’s opinion of me too seriously. I don’t open up quickly, but I think as you come to know me you will see that is not who I am, as long as you don’t let him taint the glass you are looking through.
I’m sure Tony and I will find ourselves in the same place again. When that happens, I will continue to place myself away from him as best I can, and I apologize for any awkward situations that do come about.
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Thanks, (e:Tinypliny), i did read (e:enknot)'s original post. I was just trying to be a bit silly. :o)
Its true. I pretty much instigated his arrival. If were more thoughtful and less distraught it might have been a softer landing, but che sera. Hopefully this sad drama isnt all well see of his presence on the site.
(e:leetee), there was no way he could have started with a simple hi. ;-) Back-story: :::link:::
wow. that's some first post. most new (e:peeps) just say hi or something. :o) welcome. and, if it matters at all to you, i wouldn't judge someone by someone else's opinion. i hope getting this all out in the open gives you what you need, be it closure or vindication.
All I can really say is this.... I know you two not that well really from parties and you are both pretty interesting (in a good way)... Now I can't say about out and about in the world.. I think that often times people are friends because of things that they both like or have things in common.... To be honest I don't know how well friends really know each other. I think that when things are good people don't notice or don't care about the things they don't like or disagree about and then once there is a problem ....Those differences that before were not a big deal become a big deal.......
I had to say what I said about the criticism but cause that is how I am with compliments.... Cause I know often times people say nice things they don't mean and they are trying to blow smoke up the ass or get on your good side. But they don't see that what looks good to them was not what one was aiming for.... So I never trust them and have to look at them......
"I put a lot of energy and effort into NOT doing what makes me feel not very great about myself."
I like that a lot Tiny. :o)
Peter: Without a doubt I have given it careful consideration. Far too much, quite honestly. These are not critiques that are intended to better who I am. They have been malicious, petty, and/or not remotely helpful. The difference in the views we expressed should give an idea just how distant his understanding of me is.
"putting stuff online in a secret place that no one will see."
There's always Penzu: :::link:::
Yo, infamous Casey, put up an avatar, man!
Well first off all welcome to (e:strip) officially
Second off there hasn't been any drama in a long time or if so I've missed it......
3rd I won't take sides...... It is odd that your two sides are so far apart...... I can't speak for tony bot not all criticism is bad.... Yes it feels bad at the time.... But the key is to after the fact look back and see if what was said is true or if it can be looked at as true...... If true is it something that one wants to change or are they happy that way.......
welcome to (e:strip). I'ma read this a few more times and soak it up. Now that our underpants are flappin in the wind you wanna have a drink and wage the last 15+ years against our abilities of reason and social dexterity against to clear this shit up, or are you to hurt to try?
The whole censor thing is so ridiculous because it only takes one friend on the in, to let it out. E.g. person A posts, person B is out of the circle, person C is in the circle, Person B and C have lunch. Its worse than if person B knew up front.
That is one thing I like about my estrip blog. By being totally public it forces me to filter upfront instead of pretending I am putting stuff online in a secret place that no one will see.
What I mean is Facebook is the Stasi's Wet Dream and that it totally beats anything that secret police in a totalitarian regime had back then. If you can put place and times for things he said, you prove your point logically.
For example, "Sorry Dude I'm not feeling well and staying in." Facebook update: Allen St is totally crazy and rockin' tonight! You're busted, especially when you're tagged in some chick's mobile pic post with her giving a duckface. This is an example, I'm not sure if that actually happened or not. My point is you could go back and logically prove it.
At the end of the day Buffalo is a small place, So it sucks that you two just can't cut each other totally loose. Hey life goes on, mourn all you want about the past but remember it's the PAST. Look forward to getting on with your life. (e:Jason) is wrong, there are some things that you can never recover from relationship wise, it sounds like that line was crossed.
Too bad that happened to both of you, but one has to deal with what has already happened. There is more ahead of you than behind you, please realize that at least.
Best of luck to both of you.
Not to stir the pot, but given what I've seen on that other social network, I'd total believe your side on the story in a court of law.
Welcome to estrip and thanks for making up for the lack of drama this weekend ;)
I put a lot of energy and effort into NOT doing what makes me feel not very great about myself. That has probably been the only constant guiding principle in the seemingly random string of stuff I do all the time (and stop doing all the time).
If both of you feel pretty much the same about the other (as I see from your posts), then I say to both of you, consider doing what feels the best to yourself.
Well, first of all, a big welcome to (e:strip), finally! :^)
You need to place me in the same exception list as (e:Paul) because this is really the most drama the server in (e:Paul)'s damp Victorian basement has seen in a while.