After much heartache, I have finally given up trying to make other worthy linux distros work on my crappy System76 Pangolin "Performance" PanP7 laptop. In short, there is no other OS apart from Ubuntu that can work with the hideous combination of obscure hardware that System76 has piled on the Pangolin Performance laptop.
All Debian: Wireless doesn't work. Because the Realtek RTL8191SEvB driver is not included in the kernel.
All Slax: Same problem as above
All ArchLinux: Ethernet doesn't work. Because the JMicron ethernet driver is not included in the kernel.
All Fedora: Either the wireless doesn't work or ATI throws a fit somewhere down the line.
Many modified Ubuntus: Either ethernet or wireless doesn't work. Naturally, the most useless and obscure of hardware drivers (JMicron and Realtek RTL8191SEvB) are the first to go in any modification because the sane systems don't have them. Except, of course the Pangolin Performance - the crappy prison/refugee-home laptop from System76 where all obscure laptop hardware come to roost.
Ubuntu from minimal CD (mini.iso): Doesn't work because the ethernet card JMicron driver is not on the mini.iso and it refuses to budge after a while. Pity. This was one way to cut the ubuntu bloat.
Ubuntu itself: Patchy performance on EVERYTHING. a) Because ubuntu is just a nickname for crappy and b) Because ubuntu (crappy) + Pangolin Performance PanP7 (uber-obscure) makes for a crappy obscure experience that does not have a common ground in solutions found on the net for any problem. The list of frustrations go on and on with ubuntu. Java doesn't function properly. Proprietary technology doesn't compile well. R-packages don't work.
Which leaves me with...
Super OS: Also an ubuntu modification but with every imaginable proprietary software bundled in. Around 400+MB more than standard Ubuntu. And this is where I have thrown in my lot for now. Atleast, I am still seeing my ethernet card, wireless networks and camera. Java is installed and so are a zillion small proprietary bits that make everything tick for a normal person. And yes, I am on the Unity shell and it's a resource hog, but System76's obscure hardware formula leaves me with no other choice. The baseline RAM consumption is around 2GB without anything else running. Its a disaster in terms of minimalism. But ATLEAST, I don't need to waste time looking at the endless forum posts of blind leading the blind for the minutest problem in the world.
As I said, stay away from System76. Unless they realize that linux is not just Ubuntu, their laptops will be obscure and not play well with anything other than Ubuntu. This is a problem because Ubuntu is definitely not the definitive linux and has several other worthy competitors who have thought about things much more carefully and deliver wonderful solutions.
All of which I can't now enjoy. Screw you, System76. You have put me in bloaty Ubuntu prison.
EDIT: I managed to put Fedora 15 on the Pangolin System76 system without ATI software and terrible graphics. However, the wireless performance is WORSE than TERRIBLE. Unless you are right next to a really strong wireless signal, forget connecting reliably to any wireless network.
The bottomline is AVOID System76. Their hardware is obscure and does not play well with anything except Ubuntu. Even on Ubuntu the wretched Pangolin System76 laptop has problems. For a company that drums on and on about "lnux friendliness", Pangolin PanP7 is a total disaster for many linux distros and everyday connectivity.
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06/27/2011 10:48 #54588
System76 == Ubuntu. Dissatisfied Review.Category: linux
06/26/2011 20:59 #54587
RTL8191SEvB - worst linux support everCategory: linux
If you want to run linux and are getting a laptop, and see this wireless card listed in the specs:
Realtek RTL8191SEvB
Run. Run as far as you can from any laptop that has this wireless card.
The Realtek RTL8191SEvB wireless card has SO MANY troubles with linux that it's a shame that it was ever included as a wireless option for any laptop. Only Ubuntu works with the RTL8191SEvB and that too, in a patchy sporadic way. NONE of the other linux distros include the driver to the RTL8191SEvB. What is worse is it throws a ZILLION errors when you try to compile it from the driver posted on the Realtek website.
RTL8191SEvB is quite plainly the WORST-SUPPORTED wireless card EVER on linux. There is NO support and all advice on the internet about how to get it working is useless, time-wasting and has a ZERO success rate.
I hate you System76, for putting the RTL8191SEvB wireless card on Pangolin Performance. I hate you because only Ubuntu has patchy support for this card and I am pretty much bound to the sucky OS if I ever want wireless working even half-decently. For all your linux-centric philosophy, putting the RTL8191SEvB wireless card on your Pangolin Performance PanP5 COMPLETELY traps your users into Ubuntu - which is just as much of a resource-hog as the worst windows. You are a ludicrous snobbish company. Your customer support maybe fast and responsive but NOT helpful AT ALL when it comes to RTL8191SEvB installation on linux distros other than Ubuntu.
Stay away from realtek RTL8191SEvB. For good measure, also stay away from System76.
Realtek RTL8191SEvB
Run. Run as far as you can from any laptop that has this wireless card.
The Realtek RTL8191SEvB wireless card has SO MANY troubles with linux that it's a shame that it was ever included as a wireless option for any laptop. Only Ubuntu works with the RTL8191SEvB and that too, in a patchy sporadic way. NONE of the other linux distros include the driver to the RTL8191SEvB. What is worse is it throws a ZILLION errors when you try to compile it from the driver posted on the Realtek website.
RTL8191SEvB is quite plainly the WORST-SUPPORTED wireless card EVER on linux. There is NO support and all advice on the internet about how to get it working is useless, time-wasting and has a ZERO success rate.
I hate you System76, for putting the RTL8191SEvB wireless card on Pangolin Performance. I hate you because only Ubuntu has patchy support for this card and I am pretty much bound to the sucky OS if I ever want wireless working even half-decently. For all your linux-centric philosophy, putting the RTL8191SEvB wireless card on your Pangolin Performance PanP5 COMPLETELY traps your users into Ubuntu - which is just as much of a resource-hog as the worst windows. You are a ludicrous snobbish company. Your customer support maybe fast and responsive but NOT helpful AT ALL when it comes to RTL8191SEvB installation on linux distros other than Ubuntu.
Stay away from realtek RTL8191SEvB. For good measure, also stay away from System76.
tinypliny - 06/27/11 11:04
If only they had not coupled an obscure ethernet card WITH a particularly unsupported wireless card from the most common wireless company (Realtek)...
If only they had not coupled an obscure ethernet card WITH a particularly unsupported wireless card from the most common wireless company (Realtek)...
uncutsaniflush - 06/26/11 21:42
Goodness gracious me!! I do declare the things you say! I reckon I was lucky that I got my box from Zareason. So far, my wireless card "just worked" with just about every distro that I tried on the box.
I feel your pain. Over the years, i"ve been tied into a distro because of hardware support. Good luck.
Goodness gracious me!! I do declare the things you say! I reckon I was lucky that I got my box from Zareason. So far, my wireless card "just worked" with just about every distro that I tried on the box.
I feel your pain. Over the years, i"ve been tied into a distro because of hardware support. Good luck.
06/26/2011 11:40 #54578
The Garden at 24Category: e:strip
This Bergamot plant in (e:PMT)'s back garden makes really excellent Earl Grey tea.
It's quite unlike any Earl Grey I have ever had. The flavour is sharp and if made without any other tea and steeped for around 5 minutes, completely takes away any residual tiredness and has the capacity to defog your brain.
I didn't quite get the money-shot of the other visitor to the garden ((e:Paul,54519)) but here he is, hiding away and chomping in the herb patch.
I can't wait to see if (e:PMT) will be able to set up a stall at the Elmwood Saturday Market from what ends up growing out of these beds!
It's quite unlike any Earl Grey I have ever had. The flavour is sharp and if made without any other tea and steeped for around 5 minutes, completely takes away any residual tiredness and has the capacity to defog your brain.
I didn't quite get the money-shot of the other visitor to the garden ((e:Paul,54519)) but here he is, hiding away and chomping in the herb patch.
I can't wait to see if (e:PMT) will be able to set up a stall at the Elmwood Saturday Market from what ends up growing out of these beds!
metalpeter - 06/26/11 12:18
Is the Rabbit Hiding from The Tortoise ? HA!
Is the Rabbit Hiding from The Tortoise ? HA!
06/26/2011 11:27 #54576
The Pumpkin from 24Category: eating in
It's only slightly dried up. It has gone into the oven for roasting now.
I am planning to make a pumpkin and lentil soup like this one:
I am planning to make a pumpkin and lentil soup like this one:
tinypliny - 06/26/11 11:50
Wow - that is something. Did I tell you about the sphagetti squash that completely dried up into a shell in a year? There was nothing in it. It was a hollow shell. I wonder if this might have gone the same way by November this year. There is very little flesh in it now. The walls are very thin. Let's see how the pumpkin soup turns out.
Wow - that is something. Did I tell you about the sphagetti squash that completely dried up into a shell in a year? There was nothing in it. It was a hollow shell. I wonder if this might have gone the same way by November this year. There is very little flesh in it now. The walls are very thin. Let's see how the pumpkin soup turns out.
paul - 06/26/11 11:44
Holy crap. I really bought that as a tortoise snack in November. It has lasted so long.
Holy crap. I really bought that as a tortoise snack in November. It has lasted so long.
06/26/2011 12:11 #54581
Buffalo Desobration 2011Category: buffalo
A bunch of us trooped ALL the way to the outer harbour to get on the grand balloons but there was nothing but a couple port-a-potties on site.
I decided not to shoot them and instead, got these cool shots of just how desolate it is out there.
(e:Paul) and I got a complementary cross-phone android shot at the desolate shore. See the companion shot at: (e:paul,54567)
We got some cheese and cream puffs in the city hall reception later.
But I am fairly sure this is not how things were managed and run back at the Pan American Exposition of 1901 - which this event was supposed to emulate.
The citibration people had a twitter account and a whole webpage and several announcement avenues but they never took the effort of either scheduling an alternative rain-date or even announcing the cancellation of the balloon event till it was almost 6 PM and we were already there. If you have been a resident of Buffalo for any length of time, you know how unpredictable our weather can be. Look at how those trees were being almost being flattened to the ground at the outer harbour.
Not anticipating weather-related issues is so very odd, especially when you are planning to launch wind-dependent balloons at one of the windiest spot in the city and especially, when you knew that there was a thunderstorm on the forecast for the region on the balloon-launch day more than a week ahead.
Badly done, Citybration.
I decided not to shoot them and instead, got these cool shots of just how desolate it is out there.
(e:Paul) and I got a complementary cross-phone android shot at the desolate shore. See the companion shot at: (e:paul,54567)
We got some cheese and cream puffs in the city hall reception later.
But I am fairly sure this is not how things were managed and run back at the Pan American Exposition of 1901 - which this event was supposed to emulate.
The citibration people had a twitter account and a whole webpage and several announcement avenues but they never took the effort of either scheduling an alternative rain-date or even announcing the cancellation of the balloon event till it was almost 6 PM and we were already there. If you have been a resident of Buffalo for any length of time, you know how unpredictable our weather can be. Look at how those trees were being almost being flattened to the ground at the outer harbour.
Not anticipating weather-related issues is so very odd, especially when you are planning to launch wind-dependent balloons at one of the windiest spot in the city and especially, when you knew that there was a thunderstorm on the forecast for the region on the balloon-launch day more than a week ahead.
Badly done, Citybration.
metalpeter - 06/26/11 14:03
The First sky picture looks a bit pink and the city hall door picture has pink in it and to my eyes in person it looked all green......
The First sky picture looks a bit pink and the city hall door picture has pink in it and to my eyes in person it looked all green......
paul - 06/26/11 13:54
That pink is just the new hue of New York state after gay marriage passed.
That pink is just the new hue of New York state after gay marriage passed.
tinypliny - 06/26/11 12:27
Yes, we have the same phone. And I don't see the pink tint, where is it?
Yes, we have the same phone. And I don't see the pink tint, where is it?
metalpeter - 06/26/11 12:20
Is it just me or do some of your pictures have a pink tint to them?
Also it looks like you and Paul have the same Phone is that correct?
Is it just me or do some of your pictures have a pink tint to them?
Also it looks like you and Paul have the same Phone is that correct?
IT WORKED!!! Su - worked! I was finally able to compile that wretched driver without an error! That was a really awesome piece of insight, (e:uncutsaniflush)! Thanks SO MUCH... Now, I am going to see if this will work on crunchbang - which is my favourite!
I've been thinking a lot about you wrote here. And, I've come to the conclusion that your problem is inherent in buying a computer configured to work with a specific operating system be it windows, osX, or linux. It is supposed to work as sold with what it is sold. Otherwise, all bets are off.
Btw, when you were compiling the driver did you use "sudo" or "sudo su" in Ubuntu? Most "make" look for "su" but Ubuntu doesn't like "su". I have a vague memory that this solved a problem I had compiling something.
Again, good luck.