Shit, after today if you're buying any kind of stock you better be on the 2013 Plan according to Cramer
We're on on the other side for sure. To me it's just a matter of time before people totally start to panic and lose it. By the end of the year we should start seeing bank runs or attempts at it. The kicker is that when the banks decide when and how much they will give you back the money you deposited and people freak, you we will shit that only my Grandparents saw in Poland/Germany during WW2. I know Ron Paul is kind of a shit disturber but I did find this explanation of the real "Bailout Bill" had deep down inside of the language just frightening. Frankly it makes me want to stuff my mattress. After a day like today it's only a matter of months now.
Society is just going to be ugly next year and beyond. You haven't seen the beginning of the stress in marriages from the 8%-12% unemployment we are going to see shortly or the people that though they were going to have a nice sunset into their golden years. People may not even make it when they react like this
Then again there may be violence that most people will feel that is justified, when a guy cold cocked a Lehman Douchebag
So, I made $2,000 today outside of my job. It's not going to be like I'm going to retire on it or anything. Maybe I should listen to the Pope
The point is that the opportunity to make money on the downside is ending. At the end of the day the most you can make is when it hits 0. Yea, you can own a stock in a bull market and your profits theoretically could be infinite, but at the same time the "infinite growth" that we have been experiencing for the last 25 years has abruptly ended. I content that this "growth forever" in stocks or real estate is bunk, because we live in a finite world. All of this debt paid by more debt was a house of cards and it now has crashed down.
Deep down I think the real cynic in me knew that "they" wouldn't let the baby boomer retire millionaires. There just isn't' enough peope underneath them to keep the ponzi scheme going. I just cringe when I hear all the financial guys yap about "putting money away in your 401k for the long term, especially when you're young." Don't these people know that it took until 1957 to recover from 1929 and actually in reality 1961 when you factor in inflation? That's 32 Freaking years just to get even, let along making any return on your investment. We may be at the same point soon. Crap how many people even recently though about the "long term" when they look at their NASDAQ stocks? Remember 5000 on that exchange in March of 2000? OK it's all time high was 4572 but still 1862 today's close is a long way from that point. If you believe that B.S. I have some JDSU, LUcent or CIENa to sell you...if you have 25-30 years to wait to get your money back!!!
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10/06/2008 22:30 #45970
The stock market isn't funny anymoreCategory: finance
10/05/2008 23:49 #45951
The killers Human live on SNLCategory: music
I was a bit surprised to see that they have some new stuff coming out. At least that is my conclusion form seeing them on SNL the other night. That makes me pretty happy. It almost is edging me to take another trip to Vegas soon.
Watch it before NBC Universal yanks it.
Watch it before NBC Universal yanks it.
10/03/2008 23:03 #45926
sucker rallyCategory: finance
Too Funny
I was watching CNN who had a screen shot of C-SPAN and the market in another corner. The Dow was climbing up as more votes moved to the magic number of "218" Then as soon as it hit the market started to reverse from +296 orgasm almost straight down to -157 for the day. I guess it was a case of "Buy the Rumor and Sell the News!"
So I guess this isn't going to save everyone's 401K plans after all, since the market has sunk to a new low level matching Oct of 2005. Really we are going to look back at this attempt and sigh. Spending 700 Billion on some New Deal infrastructure project would have been so much better than the pork and other crap that was added to successfully tempt people to switch their vote.
The tough times have now officially arrived.
I was watching CNN who had a screen shot of C-SPAN and the market in another corner. The Dow was climbing up as more votes moved to the magic number of "218" Then as soon as it hit the market started to reverse from +296 orgasm almost straight down to -157 for the day. I guess it was a case of "Buy the Rumor and Sell the News!"
So I guess this isn't going to save everyone's 401K plans after all, since the market has sunk to a new low level matching Oct of 2005. Really we are going to look back at this attempt and sigh. Spending 700 Billion on some New Deal infrastructure project would have been so much better than the pork and other crap that was added to successfully tempt people to switch their vote.
The tough times have now officially arrived.
10/03/2008 01:20 #45911
The other debateCategory: elections
Well I have to admit I didn't watch much of the VP debate tonight. I actually listened and watched the Canadian Prime Minister Debate. For starters the entire system seems to be much more cost effective and intense than our system. Stephen Harper called the election September 7th and the election is going to be held October 14th and the new Government will take office November 12th 8 days after the U.S. Election. It's just a straight to business approach as opposed to this 3 year marathon we go through where it seems there is more campaigning than actual governance. Even the format where all 5 parties basically go at each other, although with a moderator seems more entertaining than this Q&A format that just seems stale.
I lost my reply to Josh's post the other night. But I though I'd share a top 10 list from this show last night of which I did not get a chance to listen.
From what I took in tonight just ease dropping on CNBC the bailout can't save everything. World economies are just slowly down too much to absorb all of the inventory sitting out there in warehouses. Inventory costs money by the day, eventually when too much stuff piles up the layoffs will come slowly and surly. Then are we going to bailout the big box retailers? Are we then going to bail out the commercial real estate developers? The ones that even faced with an empty plaza vacated from an anchor like Ames, Hills or Vix; Who kept on building another brand spanking new strip mall with tight spaces that sits half empty? Are we going to bail those guys out as well?
With all the new pork that has been inserted, maybe it is just a patch until after the elections like that top 10 list indicated. They can't keep everyone going since the only people left to borrow money from is the counties where we buy our goods anyway. They just needed to get enough guys to switch by throwing a pet project or cause their way.
I lost my reply to Josh's post the other night. But I though I'd share a top 10 list from this show last night of which I did not get a chance to listen.
From what I took in tonight just ease dropping on CNBC the bailout can't save everything. World economies are just slowly down too much to absorb all of the inventory sitting out there in warehouses. Inventory costs money by the day, eventually when too much stuff piles up the layoffs will come slowly and surly. Then are we going to bailout the big box retailers? Are we then going to bail out the commercial real estate developers? The ones that even faced with an empty plaza vacated from an anchor like Ames, Hills or Vix; Who kept on building another brand spanking new strip mall with tight spaces that sits half empty? Are we going to bail those guys out as well?
With all the new pork that has been inserted, maybe it is just a patch until after the elections like that top 10 list indicated. They can't keep everyone going since the only people left to borrow money from is the counties where we buy our goods anyway. They just needed to get enough guys to switch by throwing a pet project or cause their way.
dcoffee - 10/03/08 10:27
Cost effective is a great word for Canada. I saw Bill Clinton on Letterman or some show, and he said that the US government spends 18% of its budget on Healthcare, other countries like us spend under 11% of their budget on it. We don't even cover everyone, but the government alone is paying more than other countries. Not to mention all the private costs to individuals. We must have the most wasteful inefficient system in the world. My wife works at a hospital, I'm learning a lot about the healthcare system. Dealing with insurance companies alone is an unbelievable waste of time and money.
Cost effective is a great word for Canada. I saw Bill Clinton on Letterman or some show, and he said that the US government spends 18% of its budget on Healthcare, other countries like us spend under 11% of their budget on it. We don't even cover everyone, but the government alone is paying more than other countries. Not to mention all the private costs to individuals. We must have the most wasteful inefficient system in the world. My wife works at a hospital, I'm learning a lot about the healthcare system. Dealing with insurance companies alone is an unbelievable waste of time and money.
10/01/2008 00:43 #45873
weak extitentialist reflectionCategory: reflection
That way back index from google is kind of crazy in looking back. I remember I googled an ex-girlfriend around that time and discovered that she was married. I later found out that it was a totally insane unbalanced Vegas wedding and later confessed some crazy things. So from that experience although I did get a chuckle that search result was still there, although the page that lead to her email at the time has long been taken down obviously. Ah memories...
On another thought the good old existential side of myself got some pretty good material over the weekend. I kind of knew her as she was a waitress at a local restaurant where I washed dished as a kid. Later she was the local bartender as mentioned in the article and kind of an institution, although I rarely ever went there.
The scary part was that I actually was driving the 290 that night as I was coming home from a birthday get together at the house of a guy i work with around 12 midnight or so. It was eerie foggy that night as if it was out of some insane movie on IFC or Sundnace. It also kind of got me thinking as Monday would have been my sister's birthday, if she wasn't in a car accident.
What am I trying to say. It's really a reality check as to why I am being so conservative with my life. What do I gain from living a frugal life and not doing anything exciting with my time or money? Yea as I learned in August going to the Hard Rock Hotel in Vegas and partying like a rockstar isn't the answer to life, that rock and roll fantasy really threw me against the wall mentally in a way, but in some ways I needed to have reality slap me in the face. All that really did was reinforce the truth that you need close friends that give a shit about you if you ever get into a messy situation.
Another question is that even in the face of this coming clusterfuck (this bailout isn't going to save us all even in the shorterm "my opinion") did the people that spent and partied like there is no tomorrow have something right in their philosophy? They lived life to the fullest & some of them are getting their ass saved. Heck they most of them actually get laid and sleep with some beautiful people to boot. While stiffs like me just work, save and play it safe with most aspects of their life.
I guess what I'm just reflecting is maybe deep down inside I'm kind of disappointed that there isn't a payoff yet for the people that didn't overextend themselves. We'll have to get to the point of bank holidays and people selling pencils for some dorkish principles that I hold true to become attractive and pay off. The swagger of the last time period has not died off as of yet, unless you're (e:hodown) in NYC looking at people freaking out that their life as they knew it has ceased to exist.
If you made it this far thanks for reading my neurosis. I'm going to read some Jean-Paul Sartre and go to bed now...
On another thought the good old existential side of myself got some pretty good material over the weekend. I kind of knew her as she was a waitress at a local restaurant where I washed dished as a kid. Later she was the local bartender as mentioned in the article and kind of an institution, although I rarely ever went there.
The scary part was that I actually was driving the 290 that night as I was coming home from a birthday get together at the house of a guy i work with around 12 midnight or so. It was eerie foggy that night as if it was out of some insane movie on IFC or Sundnace. It also kind of got me thinking as Monday would have been my sister's birthday, if she wasn't in a car accident.
What am I trying to say. It's really a reality check as to why I am being so conservative with my life. What do I gain from living a frugal life and not doing anything exciting with my time or money? Yea as I learned in August going to the Hard Rock Hotel in Vegas and partying like a rockstar isn't the answer to life, that rock and roll fantasy really threw me against the wall mentally in a way, but in some ways I needed to have reality slap me in the face. All that really did was reinforce the truth that you need close friends that give a shit about you if you ever get into a messy situation.
Another question is that even in the face of this coming clusterfuck (this bailout isn't going to save us all even in the shorterm "my opinion") did the people that spent and partied like there is no tomorrow have something right in their philosophy? They lived life to the fullest & some of them are getting their ass saved. Heck they most of them actually get laid and sleep with some beautiful people to boot. While stiffs like me just work, save and play it safe with most aspects of their life.
I guess what I'm just reflecting is maybe deep down inside I'm kind of disappointed that there isn't a payoff yet for the people that didn't overextend themselves. We'll have to get to the point of bank holidays and people selling pencils for some dorkish principles that I hold true to become attractive and pay off. The swagger of the last time period has not died off as of yet, unless you're (e:hodown) in NYC looking at people freaking out that their life as they knew it has ceased to exist.
If you made it this far thanks for reading my neurosis. I'm going to read some Jean-Paul Sartre and go to bed now...
Well, the silver lining is that I'm 30 years away from retiring (theoretically) - maybe before I die I'll see the market return to normal!