I still don't know if I explained the phenomenon well in the comment threads I was in-- I hope (e:paul) didn't think I was implying he was crazy.
So here's an anecdotal case study from my job, about Multiple Chemical Sensitivities.
The other day I got a call from a customer who was very hard to talk to. I kind of get a lot of these. Since our product is widely held within the MCS community to be helpful to people, we get a lot of calls from people who have the condition. Most of them already know quite a lot about the product. (Others have very... interesting ideas about the product that I don't know where they got.)
Most of them also, as I have mentioned before, are crazy. It's gotten to the point that we can tell within the first moment of a call whether it's an MCS sufferer or not.
Their voices are usually high and breathy, whether they're male or female; their tone is quavering, unsteady, and demanding. Their sentences are often illogical. They usually start out the call with a tremulous demand to speak to someone technical. They make outrageous statements, often indicating that there has been some kind of victimization of them by either us or some other entity.
Usually, the call takes the form of a long, drawn-out story full of irrelevant details, in which they tell us the story of their chemical injury, something about their environment that eventually may reveal itself as a pertinent detail, something of how they have suffered, and then how our machine has let them down, one way or another.
Sometimes things take a turn, and instead of complaining how we've let them down, they praise us. That's always nice.
Often they must stop speaking to cough, sometimes for extended periods. They sometimes lose the thread of where they were going with this. Sometimes they weep.
Most of the time the long story is an obvious passive-aggressive ploy: they want us to say, "That's terrible! Have some free shit/ We'll give you all your money back despite our clearly-worded policy to the contrary that we know you know about." When we fail to respond in this expected manner, they repeat the story. It is often difficult to get them to come right out and say what they want from us. Alternatively, they will begin the story with their demand: "I want you to give me back all the money for the machine I bought three years ago not even directly from you," and then tell the story.
(They are not always women. I would say 9 out of 10 of them are women. The male MCS callers do not differ significantly in manner or content.)
So I got one of these calls on Tuesday. She was a real corker, totally incoherent, borderline delirious. She'd bought furniture, it had made her sick, so sick, it had taken her two days to figure out it was the chairs, these wing-back chairs, they were offgassing, it was in her den, oh my, oh my. So sick. Violently ill. Etc. Even after sending back the chairs, she still couldn't go into that room. It had been two weeks, she'd opened the window and put on a fan to ventilate the room, she'd put her air cleaner (one of ours) in there, but she still couldn't go in there.
It took me like half an hour to get enough sense out of her to realize she was asking whether it would be safe for her to use the machine of ours she'd put into that room in another room, or if she should replace the filter. The filter she was using was not our one that removes chemicals particularly, so I asked her, with a sinking feeling, whether she'd ever tried our chemical one.
She answered as I'd expected: "Yes, but it gave me a headache." Sometimes really really sensitive people can smell the carbon and "react" to it and get headaches etc. Which would be why she had the other filter, then.
I told her that she was reacting to such extremely low concentrations of the chemical that I really couldn't speak as to whether the machine would retain any-normally I'd say no, because it would be such a tiny amount nobody would notice it, but this lady... I told her she would probably be all right not to replace the filter, but that she shouldn't do any experiments or anything.
She called back three hours later. I didn't recognize her. She sounded calm, crisp, and professional. "When I called you before I was delirious," she said. "I don't remember precisely what we discussed. I had wanted to ask whether I should try that chemical-removing filter, because while I react badly to it, it's less bad than the formaldehyde from those chairs."
It was like a different person, but she had the same name and the facts of her case, once coherently presented, were roughly the same as the earlier whackjob. The voice was similar enough, I suppose, but no longer trembling or hesitant.
"My friends think I am crazy," she said grimly. "I know, and I cannot entirely blame them, but you can hear the difference. I know you don't know how I normally am, but this is me normal, and earlier, that was me after I opened the door to that room and let it air into the rest of the house. But I had had the window open and a fan going for three days, I thought there would be no possible way there could still be formaldehyde in that room. They were wing-back chairs with wooden legs-only the wooden legs touched the floor, which doesn't have a carpet. How could anything still be lingering in there? I couldn't smell anything." She laughed bitterly. "My friends ask when I'll get better. They ask what the doctor says. They ask if there's a pill I can take. They think I'm making this up. I assure you, if I were going to make something up, it would be less stupid than this."
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chemical sensitivities11/07/2007 11:48 #42026
burlesque as nerdroticaI finally found it! I found the article I was referring to earlier.
I wasn't saying that antique porn was more intellectual, I was saying that the current revival in antique pornographic art forms (i.e. burlesque) was spearheaded by intellectuals.
And this article explains it better than I ever could.
"Burlesque revival: more nerdy than sexy?" reads the headline.
""The base level of IQ is decently high," said James Habacker, 42, owner of "The Slipper Room," a burlesque-themed New York club that hosts Weldon's salon. "Even in the last year the supertalented old school have really stepped it up.""
I wasn't saying that antique porn was more intellectual, I was saying that the current revival in antique pornographic art forms (i.e. burlesque) was spearheaded by intellectuals.
And this article explains it better than I ever could.
"Burlesque revival: more nerdy than sexy?" reads the headline.
""The base level of IQ is decently high," said James Habacker, 42, owner of "The Slipper Room," a burlesque-themed New York club that hosts Weldon's salon. "Even in the last year the supertalented old school have really stepped it up.""
metalpeter - 11/07/07 19:21
I have seen a couple acts of "The Stripteasers" at MIA one year but never seen them at Roxy's or out and about it seems I all ways miss them for some reason. The two skits I saw where pretty cool. I would really like to see them again some time.
In terms of what porn puts down women I can't really say cause I'm not a women. From what i have heard the dirtier the Scene the more money it pays in general. I think that woman and guys also should only do stuff they are comfortable with. But I'm sure women get pressured into things some times that they don't want to do. Or might say I really don't want to be splurged on by 3 guys but if I do I'll get so much money, ah ok. That is why I think it is good that there are some women who run porn now. I also think that the buiness kinda exploits guys compaired to the women. Men are paid less and then when it is time for them to get off (most of the time) the girl doesn't suck them off or jerk them off they do it them sleves they also have to be able to cum on cue where as women can fake an orgasim and it is fine.
This is the part where some people won't like what I say. There are a lot of gross sex acts and what each person finds hot and gross are different. but that being said there is a market of every fetish known to man and if it sells then someone needs to do it. Ok needs to do it isn't the right term. For example bondage lots of people are into it but would never admit it so they go buy a bondage DVD. What if none of the actresses who didn't really like it wouldn't do it anymore or people who did decided to keep it in there private life. Then what will the people who only get off to that do? I'm not saying 12 guys should tie up a Japanese School girl and cum all over her then another girl should come in and lick it off of her (ok as wrong as that sounds it does sound kinda hot to). But there is a market for that. I think that no one should be forced or made to feel like they should do a scene like that. But I do think that people who don't have a problem doing that should do it.
On a side note does the writers being on strike effect porn movies, I wonder? Sorry if I took this post with this comment in another direction that wasn't my aim. On a side note the stripteasers do have a myspace page and used to have a webpage you could get to from roxy's website also.
I have seen a couple acts of "The Stripteasers" at MIA one year but never seen them at Roxy's or out and about it seems I all ways miss them for some reason. The two skits I saw where pretty cool. I would really like to see them again some time.
In terms of what porn puts down women I can't really say cause I'm not a women. From what i have heard the dirtier the Scene the more money it pays in general. I think that woman and guys also should only do stuff they are comfortable with. But I'm sure women get pressured into things some times that they don't want to do. Or might say I really don't want to be splurged on by 3 guys but if I do I'll get so much money, ah ok. That is why I think it is good that there are some women who run porn now. I also think that the buiness kinda exploits guys compaired to the women. Men are paid less and then when it is time for them to get off (most of the time) the girl doesn't suck them off or jerk them off they do it them sleves they also have to be able to cum on cue where as women can fake an orgasim and it is fine.
This is the part where some people won't like what I say. There are a lot of gross sex acts and what each person finds hot and gross are different. but that being said there is a market of every fetish known to man and if it sells then someone needs to do it. Ok needs to do it isn't the right term. For example bondage lots of people are into it but would never admit it so they go buy a bondage DVD. What if none of the actresses who didn't really like it wouldn't do it anymore or people who did decided to keep it in there private life. Then what will the people who only get off to that do? I'm not saying 12 guys should tie up a Japanese School girl and cum all over her then another girl should come in and lick it off of her (ok as wrong as that sounds it does sound kinda hot to). But there is a market for that. I think that no one should be forced or made to feel like they should do a scene like that. But I do think that people who don't have a problem doing that should do it.
On a side note does the writers being on strike effect porn movies, I wonder? Sorry if I took this post with this comment in another direction that wasn't my aim. On a side note the stripteasers do have a myspace page and used to have a webpage you could get to from roxy's website also.
dragonlady7 - 11/07/07 18:45
I've seen the Stripteasers! It was awesome. Very sexy, but more entertaining than arousing, I'd say-- I didn't exactly beat off to it, but I definitely enjoyed it a lot and want to see them again.
And they're very much of the political-activism-in-burlesque school of thought-- much lesbian content, as in actual genuine lesbians not straight chicks petting one another for the amusement of straight guys (they're heavily affiliated with Roxy's, which is a dyke bar), and a lot of feminist type commentary in it.
That's the kind of sexiness I really enjoy. I like porn where the sexuality of the participants is very empowered, where you get the idea they're really getting off on what they're doing as much as you are. Even porn that's ostensibly *about* degradation-- typical porn subject matter-- can be empowering if done properly. It's not that I only want to watch pornos about strong women being empowered, is what I'm trying to say-- I just want to watch porn that has an empowered/empowering kind of vibe to it. The unashamed vibe, maybe, is what I want to say?
I was reading the blog of a porn affiliate at one point and he recounted how through pressure of his affiliate network he convinced a major porn network provider to stop filming certain types of scenes that were degrading to the women participating in them, and it actually worked-- the site didn't take down existing content, but stopped doing those things in future photo/video shoots. (Things like writing "SLUT" on the women's foreheads in indelible marker, making them brush their teeth with cum, disgusting things like that that are becoming trendy in porn of late. The site insisted the women hadn't objected, but the affiliate marketer said he found it disgusting and couldn't believe the women enjoyed it, and would stop sending them business unless they desisted.)
I've seen the Stripteasers! It was awesome. Very sexy, but more entertaining than arousing, I'd say-- I didn't exactly beat off to it, but I definitely enjoyed it a lot and want to see them again.
And they're very much of the political-activism-in-burlesque school of thought-- much lesbian content, as in actual genuine lesbians not straight chicks petting one another for the amusement of straight guys (they're heavily affiliated with Roxy's, which is a dyke bar), and a lot of feminist type commentary in it.
That's the kind of sexiness I really enjoy. I like porn where the sexuality of the participants is very empowered, where you get the idea they're really getting off on what they're doing as much as you are. Even porn that's ostensibly *about* degradation-- typical porn subject matter-- can be empowering if done properly. It's not that I only want to watch pornos about strong women being empowered, is what I'm trying to say-- I just want to watch porn that has an empowered/empowering kind of vibe to it. The unashamed vibe, maybe, is what I want to say?
I was reading the blog of a porn affiliate at one point and he recounted how through pressure of his affiliate network he convinced a major porn network provider to stop filming certain types of scenes that were degrading to the women participating in them, and it actually worked-- the site didn't take down existing content, but stopped doing those things in future photo/video shoots. (Things like writing "SLUT" on the women's foreheads in indelible marker, making them brush their teeth with cum, disgusting things like that that are becoming trendy in porn of late. The site insisted the women hadn't objected, but the affiliate marketer said he found it disgusting and couldn't believe the women enjoyed it, and would stop sending them business unless they desisted.)
metalpeter - 11/07/07 18:07
-good article
-Dita Von Tease is amazing, oh yeah
-With burlesque it about the show not the nudity and some groups don't do nudity, hence the name tease
-There is burlesque group in Buffalo are The Stripteasers the only ones though?
- I don't know much about burlesque other then it is different than going to see some young lady show her tits and pussy and quick as possible
I hope some one else chimes in on the comments other then just me.
-good article
-Dita Von Tease is amazing, oh yeah
-With burlesque it about the show not the nudity and some groups don't do nudity, hence the name tease
-There is burlesque group in Buffalo are The Stripteasers the only ones though?
- I don't know much about burlesque other then it is different than going to see some young lady show her tits and pussy and quick as possible
I hope some one else chimes in on the comments other then just me.
11/02/2007 11:22 #41939
this is only a testThis is a test of the upload ability.
Also it's an excuse to post the photo (e:zobar) just sent me.
He captioned it:
"self-explanatory and inexplicable all rolled into one"
It's a styrofoam coffee cup bandito and when I asked him what a styrofoam coffee cup bandito was, he sent me that photo.
Also it's an excuse to post the photo (e:zobar) just sent me.
He captioned it:
"self-explanatory and inexplicable all rolled into one"
It's a styrofoam coffee cup bandito and when I asked him what a styrofoam coffee cup bandito was, he sent me that photo.
joshua - 11/02/07 12:20
Get to work Z!
Get to work Z!
11/02/2007 10:31 #41938
just wondering...I linked a coworker to a particularly nice photo of (e:matthew)'s on this site, and all of a sudden I'm like, Crap, what if he recognizes my username from my personal email address that I used to email him once?
Crap.
So hi, to my sort of boss, if you're reading this, and I swear, my older entries aren't interesting at all and do not contain possibly objectionable photos.
Actually I don't think I've blogged about my new job here at all. Now would be an absolutely genius time to start.
No, I'm not writing this at work!! I wrote this earlier and the server's timestamp is off!!
Oy. Oh well, I already sent him the link. We'll see how much of a detective my sales manager is. ;)
Crap.
So hi, to my sort of boss, if you're reading this, and I swear, my older entries aren't interesting at all and do not contain possibly objectionable photos.
Actually I don't think I've blogged about my new job here at all. Now would be an absolutely genius time to start.
No, I'm not writing this at work!! I wrote this earlier and the server's timestamp is off!!
Oy. Oh well, I already sent him the link. We'll see how much of a detective my sales manager is. ;)
11/06/2007 08:41 #41997
meditation on an autumn commuteI had a lovely commute this morning. I know that's a weird thing to say. But I got in my car, which didn't have snow or frost on it, and drove down nice little back streets in North Buffalo, some with beautifully-tended gardens and some with rusty K-mart shopping carts poking out of the long grass, and got onto the 198 and drove past the park and the art gallery and the big beautiful church towers on Grant St., and went around the curve onto the 190 and there was the vista of the river on one side, the drawbridge and the Peace Bridge up behind it a black latticework of iron arches decorated here and there with idling trucks, and came around the bend to see downtown spread out to my left, skyscrapers with antique buildings nestled among the concrete, and then I was into the First Ward with the hulking old warehouses and brick factory buildings, until I reached my exit and drove over the railway overpass and a tangle of ductwork, a neatly-groomed lawn and pretty garden on one side and a chain-link fence with weeds growing through it on the other, and up to the huge brick behemoth of the factory where I work, sturdy and weatherbeaten.
I had good music on the iPod, and it just felt like it was the opening credits of a movie. The sky was dark and dramatic, light from the sunrise coming through banks of dark clouds in black and gray lined here and there with a strong pale silver light. I saw both a pickup truck with a plow on it and a bicyclist riding to work, at the same time; the leaves are changing but the grass is bright green and flowers are still blooming. It was a very Buffalo scene.
I had good music on the iPod, and it just felt like it was the opening credits of a movie. The sky was dark and dramatic, light from the sunrise coming through banks of dark clouds in black and gray lined here and there with a strong pale silver light. I saw both a pickup truck with a plow on it and a bicyclist riding to work, at the same time; the leaves are changing but the grass is bright green and flowers are still blooming. It was a very Buffalo scene.
I so appreciate your offer. Anyways, I just want one for basic allergies and lung health. I also am disturbed by the amount of dust I have accumulate over a week in my house. I do OK if I can have the windows open and get fresh air which is not always a guarantee in this area. Like anyone else who has lived on Elmwood knows, you get a lot of soot from passing traffic. It really does make a difference living on a hight traffic street. Anyways, I don't think I could afford anything at the moment even with the awesome discounts. I think I could make fire engine red work in my apt. I also need a new vacuum cleaner at some point. Really I need a lot of things, but am just waiting for that special day when I got a couple of hundred to dump. Time to find more work!
wow... i thought Cellphone sales was full of crazy!
I meant, you must have a lot of patience.
I definitely understand that it must be difficult. As much as I understood my supervisor's situation, it wasn't fun to watch her chew out someone who accidentally wore perfume...esp. if that someone wasn't even aware that my supervisor had this problem! I only had to deal with one person with MCS, you deal with a lot! Oh, that patience you must have!
They make my life miserable and they're crazy, but I never for a moment doubt that they have these problems. They may have become totally paranoid and irrational but you sort of can't blame them, when they never know what in the environment is going to leap out and strangle them while leaving everyone around them untouched.
I'd be crazy and paranoid too. I don't know if I've made that clear-- I don't for a moment thing I'm better than these people, just luckier.
It gets really old because a lot of the ones I talk to (which I know, being a self-selected sample based on the fact that they're calling me up to demand stuff-- that's obviously an atypical demographic) are always of the attitude that the world owes them something for this indignity to which they are subjected.
But that doesn't mean I'm not sympathetic and I don't try to help if I can. It's definitely a very real issue. But it's absolutely tragic that a part of it is that it tends to modify behavior and make you irrational and paranoid! Those are never really very endearing qualities.
My old supervisor had MCS. I never understood the severity of it until I saw her react to the scent on someone's hair from shampoo. My supervisor gasped for air in sharp raspy breathes. She pointed at the window because she couldn't get the words out and I ran to the window and opened it. She ran to the window and breathed the fresh air for several minutes, coughing and rasping until her throat cleared. EVERYONE who worked in the office had to use non or mildly scented soaps, shampoos, hairsprays, detergents, underarm deodorants. She would scream at you if you had any scents wafting off you at work. She could even tell if you changed products, she could smell the difference! But I couldn't blame her. Who wants to feel like they're suffocating to death. She is also allergic to pretty much all non-organic foods, because of the chemicals and preservatives. A gigantic chunk of her budget goes to food and she has to work really hard to keep weight on. I will never doubt a person who has these problems!
They come in two sizes, the Standard and Junior-- the Standard is like for a bigger room, the Junior adequate for most bedrooms.
The larger one is $450 retail, replacement filter $180; the smaller one is $300 retail, replacement filter $135. (The Chemical Sensitivities one is $550/$280 replacement, small one $350/$185 replacement.)
If you really wanted one I could get you an employees-only factory-second kinda deal for just about half price. (And there's a super-secret employees-only deal on a particular lot of really old machines (large size only) in a weird color that we're trying to get rid of, which I could get for an even deeper discount maybe, which got me all psyched recently because the weird color *exactly matches my bedroom accent color*-- fire truck red. Go figure!)
But, of course, we only ever sell refurbished stuff internally, and we never sell anything below the list price other than that, so if you get one of these and then by the time you need a new filter I don't work there anymore, you'd be stuck buying a new filter at retail. So keep that in mind. People sell our stuff on eBay but it's all unauthorized, used or damaged or fell off the back of a truck somewhere. And some dude sells pirate copies of our filters but I have *no* idea if they're any good or not, and they're still expensive. (We can't sue him because he doesn't say they're authorized copies. I dunno, weird.)
Do you have allergies or sensitivities or just general lung-health/air-quality concerns?
I'm sure the machines you sell are way out of my price range, but how much are they? The filters they say last five years. How much are the filter replacements?