First- spam comments?! WTF. Sorry you have to deal with this shit, Paul.
Ok, but on to my crazy story. I finally got some answers, so I can spill the beans. Maybe you all won't be as stunned as I am, but I am still a little taken aback.
So...
A week or so before Christmas, I got a message on Myspace. It said "hi, my name is G. I'm a surgeon, relocating to WNY. How do you like the area?" So I checked out his page. Seemed legit... And he's not just any old doc, but a pediatric neurosurgeon. And, the icing on the cake- he's hotter than hot. So I wrote back, he wrote back, etc. He asked if I used AIM. I gave him my info, and after that we started chatting. And for the next two or three weeks, we 'talked' pretty much daily, for at least an hour or so- one time for FIVE hours. I learned a lot about him. He was charming and interesting. He was in the Navy (a SEAL, no less), but then left the navy for med school. Married his girlfriend from med school. After med school, residency, fellowship, etc, he and his wife were working in Pittsburgh. And then one day, about 2 years ago, his wife was killed in a car accident. And he just had to get away, and so he rejoined the Navy. Is now serving in Iraq. But his 6mo tour of duty was almost up. He said a recruiter in Buffalo got in touch with him, because Children's is looking to expand the peds neurosurg faculty. So he accepted the job, and was gearing up to move to buffalo.
Like I said, we were talking a LOT. And I can't say I had FEELINGS for him, but he really seemed like a great guy. We joked a lot and bitched about work... He had a great sense of humor, and it was nice to talk to someone who knew medicine inside and out, and I found the Navy stuff fascinating. I really looked forward to seeing his name listed as online in my buddy list. The last time I heard from him, he was talking about using a big black marker to count down the six days he had left in Iraq. Then a few days in Germany for debriefing, then a Lufthansa flight to NYC, then to Buffalo. Some paperwork etc, and then he told me he had patients to see at children's starting the 23rd or so.
The last time we talked, he added me to his myspace 'friends'. Then the next morning, we chatted for a sec. he said he had just gotten back from the gym, and needed to shower, but would be back later. That was fine, b/c I had stuff to do too. I also noticed at that time that he had deleted me, and ALL his friends, from his myspace list. Hmm, odd, but I didn't think much of it. And then he never came back online. Whatever, he's busy, didn't think much of it. Well, that was 3 weeks ago. I haven't heard a word from him since. And he hasn't signed back in to myspace. According to the timeframe he gave me, he should be in Buffalo by now, and should have started work. I figured maybe he was one of the soldiers that had to stay longer in Iraq. I was a little sad to not hear from him at all, but I was trying my best to not be some obsessed stalker psycho girl- I mean I've never even MET the guy!
But after a while, I started to wonder. I googled him. NOTHING. And I thought that was a little odd. I mean everyone comes up in google. And you'd think a hotshot neurosurgeon would definitely come up. So I checked out the website for the neurosurgery program he said he trained at. It has a list of graduates. His name is NOT on that list. At least, not the name he told me. I finally went so far as to call children's, and ask if there's a new guy coming. They didn't know what I was talking about.
I know, I know, at this point I had crossed the line to psycho behavior, but now it was a mystery, and I wanted answers. I kept hoping there was some innocent explanation. Maybe he was delayed in Iraq. Maybe the internet service at the base was down. Maybe his days as a Navy SEAL made him paranoid about putting his info on the web, so he gave a fake name. And as much as I wanted it to be something innocent like that, I had a hunch that something wasn't right.
I emailed my friends in neuro to ask if they'd heard anything about a new guy. But I didn't get a response. Then I sent a girl on myspace a message. She was his only friend on there for most of the time I was talking to him. And, oddly enough, she is a friend-of-a-friend. For real. My friend out in AZ worked with her- she was his med student. I mentioned that to him one day, like 'hey, small world... that girl N was my friend's med student!" And he responded "oh yeah, she's a nice girl. She did a rotation at bethesda when I was there and we worked together."
So I sent her a message... Didn't allude to any of my suspicions. I played it naive, and just said 'hey... you don't know me, but I think you know this guy G, and he said he's moving to town but I haven't heard anything from him in a while... Just wondering if you have... I hope he's ok."
Well last night she wrote me back.
She said "I'm sorry I can't help you. This freaks me out a little bit. I don't know him. I never worked at Bethesda. He told me the same story, except that he's moving to LA, not Buffalo." [she's an anesthesiology resident in LA.]
HOLY SHIT!
So now I don't know what to think...
I mean obviously he's a fraud. But... why?? and why me??
And- how? I mean, he was CONVINCING. And I know I'm pretty trusting and gullible and naive... but your random guy can't talk in detail about neurosurgery for five hours straight without slipping up... At least I couldn't! And it was CHAT, not email. No time to fact-check and do research on the side.
I'm just kind of astounded.
He never asked me for anything... it's not like he was trying to swindle me for my credit card info or anything...
And if he's not really moving to buffalo, it's not like he was trying to seduce me.
I just don't get it.
And now I wonder how much was true, if any. Is he even a doctor? Is he really in Iraq? How many girls across the country is he feeding this story to? And, why did he stop? Did someone figure him out? Who is he?
And finally, I'm sad about the whole thing. I feel let down.
I mean, I was really excited about this guy. I was trying my best to not get ahead of myself, emotionally. But we had such good 'talks'. And he's literally Dr. McDreamy. A HOT neurosurgeon...
And now I feel like an idiot. Like some stupid sucker who fell for a con artist's tricks.
I guess I should have known it was too good to be true.
Things like that don't happen to me.
But I was hoping that just maybe, just once, I'd get lucky.
Sigh...
whoever you are, G, you got me good. I just wish I knew why.
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01/26/2007 09:17 #37874
freaktastically insane01/22/2007 21:57 #37827
Note to self:Do not get on (e:imk2) 's bad side.
(LMFAO)
(LMFAO)
"I wish s/he would get gang raped by fucking gorillas and then get fed shit through his/her ears. i wish someone would skin him/her alive and fry his/her slimy skin into a crisp and make him/her eat it. god, god, god, why why why are people like this dumb idiot alive???"
01/24/2007 09:04 #37847
a comment, etcHmm, so I can't seem to leave comments on posts that don't already have comments, using firefox or IE.
So, since I don't feel like working, I'll post.
My comment to imk-
Yeah, how COULD that boyfriend-husband of yours let you get "so far gone"?! Parking tickets! You lawbreaker you!
Speaking of non-existent husbands, I was on the phone with my bank once, about my student loans or something, and the guy was nice and almost flirty, sympathizing about loans, and he said something like 'well, don't worry... someday when you marry that rich doctor it will all be ok.' And maybe I shouldn't have said anything, but I couldn't help it, and I said 'actually... umm... i am a doctor' And the poor guy was so embarrassed. So when my credit card expired and the new one came in the mail, I noticed that it says "Dr. Jenks MD" Not just Dr, or MD, but BOTH. They must have put big red flags all over my account. hehe. It's embarrassing though, b/c people think I'm that asshole that requested to have Dr emblazoned all over my card. Twice.
I am off to kick a patient out of the hospital. I get a surprising amount of satisfaction out of it. I am sick of people who think the hospital is a hotel. I mean it's one thing if you're sick and need to be in the hospital. But this guy has been ready to go since Friday. We tried to send him home friday, but he said he 'wasn't ready' and begged to stay through the weekend. We said ok. Monday- "no way I'm still in pain you can't kick me out". FINE, one more day. Tues "well I know I said I'll go, but I had a little bit of a bloody nose. I have to stay one more day. I PROMISE I'll go tomorrow." This morning "no I can't go b/c my son's car broke down and he can't pick me up." "well, we can arrange transportation for you." "Nope, I won't leave with anyone but my son."
Ugh. So much of this is a stupid political game. This guy has no medical reason to be in the hospital, and every day he is here costs taxpayers money. But you can't make patients feel like you're kicking them out. They have to feel like it's their idea to go home, or they get upset. And there are several games you can play. One is the "well the food is better at home and your bed is more comfortable and you don't have to wear a gown and have your ass hanging out all the time and have people walk in on you peeing". Next is "well I'm not going to kick you out, I'm just afraid you might get pneumonia or something if you stick around too long! Hospitals are for sick people! You're all better!" If that doesn't work, sometimes the 'well, I'm not going to kick you out- *I* love you and as far as I'm concerned you can stay forever, but you just need to know that your insurance might make you pay for the extra days'. That usually works. (But you can't play the insurance card with veterans.) When they say 'i don't care, i'll pay for it', a last resort is to stop all pain medicine, give them a low-fat, bland diet, and order daily suppositories and twice-a-day blood draws. That will often remind them how nice their own house is. But once in a while they just persist, and threaten to call the "patient advocate" and tell on us, saying the big mean doctors aren't being nice. And since we are so lawyer-phobic, we give in.
Seriously, I've had patients stay in the hospital an extra WEEK b/c "my girlfriend has to work and can't pick me up." Um, I hate to say this but your carlessness is not my problem. (But even though it's not our problem, we have social workers etc who can get them all set up with taxi vouchers, even ambulance rides home.) I always want to just write 'discharge patient to home'. That's is a 'doctor's order'. The nurses theoretically HAVE to carry it out, and I think the patient has 23hr to leave after that's written in the chart. But often they won't. So you think the patient will have left, since technically he had to, and then you come in the next day only to find he's still here. I've never understood how this works.
But apparently I am a mean inconsiderate bitch b/c I don't want my tax money to pay for this guy to spend an extra unneeded week at Spa VA.
But so today enough is enough and we called the nursing administrator, who for once, is on our side. She said 'he has to go, I don't care. We need the bed, and he has no reason to be here. Send him home.' So we just document that carefully, and write out all the things we will do for the patient to not make him feel abandoned (home visits by nurses and physical therapy, pain meds, follow-up appointments, etc etc), and then kick his ass out of here.
Also, I might feel differently about it if the guy was not a mean, nasty little old man. If he was NICE, I might be a little nicer back.
Wow, that was a really long, boring, work story!
haha.
Sorry 'bout that...
I promise it will be more interesting when I get some answers about my international man of mystery.
-J
So, since I don't feel like working, I'll post.
My comment to imk-
Yeah, how COULD that boyfriend-husband of yours let you get "so far gone"?! Parking tickets! You lawbreaker you!
Speaking of non-existent husbands, I was on the phone with my bank once, about my student loans or something, and the guy was nice and almost flirty, sympathizing about loans, and he said something like 'well, don't worry... someday when you marry that rich doctor it will all be ok.' And maybe I shouldn't have said anything, but I couldn't help it, and I said 'actually... umm... i am a doctor' And the poor guy was so embarrassed. So when my credit card expired and the new one came in the mail, I noticed that it says "Dr. Jenks MD" Not just Dr, or MD, but BOTH. They must have put big red flags all over my account. hehe. It's embarrassing though, b/c people think I'm that asshole that requested to have Dr emblazoned all over my card. Twice.
I am off to kick a patient out of the hospital. I get a surprising amount of satisfaction out of it. I am sick of people who think the hospital is a hotel. I mean it's one thing if you're sick and need to be in the hospital. But this guy has been ready to go since Friday. We tried to send him home friday, but he said he 'wasn't ready' and begged to stay through the weekend. We said ok. Monday- "no way I'm still in pain you can't kick me out". FINE, one more day. Tues "well I know I said I'll go, but I had a little bit of a bloody nose. I have to stay one more day. I PROMISE I'll go tomorrow." This morning "no I can't go b/c my son's car broke down and he can't pick me up." "well, we can arrange transportation for you." "Nope, I won't leave with anyone but my son."
Ugh. So much of this is a stupid political game. This guy has no medical reason to be in the hospital, and every day he is here costs taxpayers money. But you can't make patients feel like you're kicking them out. They have to feel like it's their idea to go home, or they get upset. And there are several games you can play. One is the "well the food is better at home and your bed is more comfortable and you don't have to wear a gown and have your ass hanging out all the time and have people walk in on you peeing". Next is "well I'm not going to kick you out, I'm just afraid you might get pneumonia or something if you stick around too long! Hospitals are for sick people! You're all better!" If that doesn't work, sometimes the 'well, I'm not going to kick you out- *I* love you and as far as I'm concerned you can stay forever, but you just need to know that your insurance might make you pay for the extra days'. That usually works. (But you can't play the insurance card with veterans.) When they say 'i don't care, i'll pay for it', a last resort is to stop all pain medicine, give them a low-fat, bland diet, and order daily suppositories and twice-a-day blood draws. That will often remind them how nice their own house is. But once in a while they just persist, and threaten to call the "patient advocate" and tell on us, saying the big mean doctors aren't being nice. And since we are so lawyer-phobic, we give in.
Seriously, I've had patients stay in the hospital an extra WEEK b/c "my girlfriend has to work and can't pick me up." Um, I hate to say this but your carlessness is not my problem. (But even though it's not our problem, we have social workers etc who can get them all set up with taxi vouchers, even ambulance rides home.) I always want to just write 'discharge patient to home'. That's is a 'doctor's order'. The nurses theoretically HAVE to carry it out, and I think the patient has 23hr to leave after that's written in the chart. But often they won't. So you think the patient will have left, since technically he had to, and then you come in the next day only to find he's still here. I've never understood how this works.
But apparently I am a mean inconsiderate bitch b/c I don't want my tax money to pay for this guy to spend an extra unneeded week at Spa VA.
But so today enough is enough and we called the nursing administrator, who for once, is on our side. She said 'he has to go, I don't care. We need the bed, and he has no reason to be here. Send him home.' So we just document that carefully, and write out all the things we will do for the patient to not make him feel abandoned (home visits by nurses and physical therapy, pain meds, follow-up appointments, etc etc), and then kick his ass out of here.
Also, I might feel differently about it if the guy was not a mean, nasty little old man. If he was NICE, I might be a little nicer back.
Wow, that was a really long, boring, work story!
haha.
Sorry 'bout that...
I promise it will be more interesting when I get some answers about my international man of mystery.
-J
01/23/2007 11:36 #37833
Bond, James BondOk, so I know I always talk about my life being full of crazy drama. Which it is, to an extent, but yes, I also exaggerate.
But this time (right when I need to be studying and can not afford to be distracted) I have some real life international mystery/deception going on.
I am totally bewildered and confused at the thought of it all. How/why could/would anyone possibly do this? And why me? It's totally insane.
Hopefully I'm just being nuts and there's a totally logical explanation for it all- but I'm starting to think there isn't.
I wish I were a cool undercover detective or something who had access to all the secret info and could figure out what the hell is going on for real. I feel like I NEED to figure this out- but I'm not sure I ever will. I'm afraid it will just nag me forever.
I'm going to wait til I have the whole story before I tell it, but man...
It's nuts, I say! Nuts!!
-J
But this time (right when I need to be studying and can not afford to be distracted) I have some real life international mystery/deception going on.
I am totally bewildered and confused at the thought of it all. How/why could/would anyone possibly do this? And why me? It's totally insane.
Hopefully I'm just being nuts and there's a totally logical explanation for it all- but I'm starting to think there isn't.
I wish I were a cool undercover detective or something who had access to all the secret info and could figure out what the hell is going on for real. I feel like I NEED to figure this out- but I'm not sure I ever will. I'm afraid it will just nag me forever.
I'm going to wait til I have the whole story before I tell it, but man...
It's nuts, I say! Nuts!!
-J
01/18/2007 11:53 #37760
Boobs, and stuffI am having some major motivation problems lately. I have a major test on 1/27, and a research project due 4d later. And because I HAVE to do better on the test this year, I arranged my schedule to have this week off to study. But I am still having trouble getting much done before noon. Since I am technically on vacation, I refuse to set an alarm. But I am still getting up around 8. I'm just not sure where the hours from 8-11 go. So I really should be going now, but I was thinking in the shower and felt like posting, instead. (that's probably where the hours from 8-11 go. ;) )
Yesterday I did some work on my project in the afternoon, then after the office closed went to spot. I love spot. Haven't been in ages. And first I saw (e:joshua), which was a pleasant surprise as I had just been thinking about how I hadn't seen him in ages, so it was nice to catch up. Then I saw a guy that graduated from my program a year or two ago, and he invited me out with 'the boys' tonight. Odd. Then I went across the street for a nice sushi dinner. Good stuff.
But to my point....
So, as some of you may or may not know, I have pretty big boobs. Not freakishly huge, but big enough that my size bras are always hidden away in the stores, and I usually can't wear the cute little sexy, trendy tops. But, I'm not a tiny person, so I think I'm more or less in proportion, and I'm ok with it. Most of the time. But I have been told a few times that I'm TOO big. (Who the hell tells a girl that?!) So there have been times when I've wondered if I'd benefit from a breast reduction. Or even just a lift.
So now I'm doing this research project... I'm studying breast reductions and complication rates, with the hypothesis being that the bigger the reduction (i.e. the more tissue removed), the higher the chance of wound-healing problems. Seems kind of intuitive, but somehow it doesn't seem to have been published before.
So I've been spending this week in a local plastic surgeon's office, going through the charts of all the breast reductions he's done over the last 5 years. I go through each chart and collect data, like height, weight, pre-op measurements, then amount of tissue removed in the OR, and then if they had any problems post-op.
And on the one hand, it's a little reassuring. These women NEEDED surgery. They make me feel downright perky. But after charting measurement after measurement after measurement- it started getting to me.
And when I got home last night, I couldn't help it and I measured myself. And I must say, was relieved to find that I don't think I'd qualify for surgery. And was pleasantly surprised to learn that I'm not even 'saggy' (ptotic) at all. Phew!**
But then it just got me thinking about society and culture and plastic surgery and expectations of women and physical ideals and all that good stuff...
I really enjoy plastic surgery. I think it's fascinating. But it's gotten to the point that if people ask what I want to do, I say "reconstructive surgery" (which is under the umbrella of plastics), because I am sick of people's reactions. If I say reconstruction, they all nod appreciatively like that's a good, noble thing for me to do. But if I say "plastics", there is inevitably a bit of a look-down-the-nose-in-judgment and a snarky comment about the money. (or a request for a boob job.) Sure, the money is great, or rather, will be great, I hope- but that's not my main motivator. I just LIKE what plastic surgeons do. It has its downsides- largely that you have to deal with a lot of crazy, vain women. And then the nasty stuff that no one realizes plastic surgeons do- a lot of wound care for complex ulcers, stinky necrotic bedsores, etc. But I like the cases. I think it's fascinating. And I like the people. I keep finding, over and over, that when I go into the OR with plastic surgeons- it's FUN. People laugh and joke and play music, as opposed to sour dour stressful "what artery is this? what nerve is that a branch of?" in a lot of the other fields. And a plastic surgeon I worked with at Roswell recently broke it down pretty well. He said in general surgery you learn operations. You do each procedure more or less the same way every time. But in plastics you learn techniques. A toolbox. And you have to figure out which ones to use where, and there's a little more problem solving and decision making involved, which I think is awesome. There are other aspects too, but I'll stop there.
The typical dichotomy in plastics is that cosmetic pays better, and reconstructive is more rewarding. Most people create their own balance depending on their own priorities.
Yes, cosmetic surgery is sort of fluffy and I don't know how I (will) feel about supporting my children by living off women's insecurities, or men's, I suppose- but at the same time, I think of the poor kid who has had stick out ears or a big honking nose for his/her whole life, and is miserable and the butt of jokes etc etc. If you can fix that for him/her, and improve his/her quality of life that much- is that not a valuable service, even though it is "only cosmetic"?
And the other thing I find interesting is that over the years 'standards' have been developed. I mean what is beauty? Can we define it and spell it out? Well apparently, yes. There are textbooks on the 'ideal' facial features, etc. What angle of the nose, etc, is "attractive", blah blah. Which I think is kind of amazing. That you can break it down in to parts and make a science out of it. And it's not just like one egotistical guy decided what was beautiful and said that's the definition. It's been studied. Kind of neat.
Ok, off to filter through more charts and collect more measurements...
-J
Yesterday I did some work on my project in the afternoon, then after the office closed went to spot. I love spot. Haven't been in ages. And first I saw (e:joshua), which was a pleasant surprise as I had just been thinking about how I hadn't seen him in ages, so it was nice to catch up. Then I saw a guy that graduated from my program a year or two ago, and he invited me out with 'the boys' tonight. Odd. Then I went across the street for a nice sushi dinner. Good stuff.
But to my point....
So, as some of you may or may not know, I have pretty big boobs. Not freakishly huge, but big enough that my size bras are always hidden away in the stores, and I usually can't wear the cute little sexy, trendy tops. But, I'm not a tiny person, so I think I'm more or less in proportion, and I'm ok with it. Most of the time. But I have been told a few times that I'm TOO big. (Who the hell tells a girl that?!) So there have been times when I've wondered if I'd benefit from a breast reduction. Or even just a lift.
So now I'm doing this research project... I'm studying breast reductions and complication rates, with the hypothesis being that the bigger the reduction (i.e. the more tissue removed), the higher the chance of wound-healing problems. Seems kind of intuitive, but somehow it doesn't seem to have been published before.
So I've been spending this week in a local plastic surgeon's office, going through the charts of all the breast reductions he's done over the last 5 years. I go through each chart and collect data, like height, weight, pre-op measurements, then amount of tissue removed in the OR, and then if they had any problems post-op.
And on the one hand, it's a little reassuring. These women NEEDED surgery. They make me feel downright perky. But after charting measurement after measurement after measurement- it started getting to me.
And when I got home last night, I couldn't help it and I measured myself. And I must say, was relieved to find that I don't think I'd qualify for surgery. And was pleasantly surprised to learn that I'm not even 'saggy' (ptotic) at all. Phew!**
But then it just got me thinking about society and culture and plastic surgery and expectations of women and physical ideals and all that good stuff...
I really enjoy plastic surgery. I think it's fascinating. But it's gotten to the point that if people ask what I want to do, I say "reconstructive surgery" (which is under the umbrella of plastics), because I am sick of people's reactions. If I say reconstruction, they all nod appreciatively like that's a good, noble thing for me to do. But if I say "plastics", there is inevitably a bit of a look-down-the-nose-in-judgment and a snarky comment about the money. (or a request for a boob job.) Sure, the money is great, or rather, will be great, I hope- but that's not my main motivator. I just LIKE what plastic surgeons do. It has its downsides- largely that you have to deal with a lot of crazy, vain women. And then the nasty stuff that no one realizes plastic surgeons do- a lot of wound care for complex ulcers, stinky necrotic bedsores, etc. But I like the cases. I think it's fascinating. And I like the people. I keep finding, over and over, that when I go into the OR with plastic surgeons- it's FUN. People laugh and joke and play music, as opposed to sour dour stressful "what artery is this? what nerve is that a branch of?" in a lot of the other fields. And a plastic surgeon I worked with at Roswell recently broke it down pretty well. He said in general surgery you learn operations. You do each procedure more or less the same way every time. But in plastics you learn techniques. A toolbox. And you have to figure out which ones to use where, and there's a little more problem solving and decision making involved, which I think is awesome. There are other aspects too, but I'll stop there.
The typical dichotomy in plastics is that cosmetic pays better, and reconstructive is more rewarding. Most people create their own balance depending on their own priorities.
Yes, cosmetic surgery is sort of fluffy and I don't know how I (will) feel about supporting my children by living off women's insecurities, or men's, I suppose- but at the same time, I think of the poor kid who has had stick out ears or a big honking nose for his/her whole life, and is miserable and the butt of jokes etc etc. If you can fix that for him/her, and improve his/her quality of life that much- is that not a valuable service, even though it is "only cosmetic"?
And the other thing I find interesting is that over the years 'standards' have been developed. I mean what is beauty? Can we define it and spell it out? Well apparently, yes. There are textbooks on the 'ideal' facial features, etc. What angle of the nose, etc, is "attractive", blah blah. Which I think is kind of amazing. That you can break it down in to parts and make a science out of it. And it's not just like one egotistical guy decided what was beautiful and said that's the definition. It's been studied. Kind of neat.
Ok, off to filter through more charts and collect more measurements...
-J
- In case I've made any of you girls out there insecure about your own breasts now, well first of all, I apologize, but here are some rule of thumb "golden rules" if you want to reassure yourself. The main measurement to consider is the sternal notch to nipple distance. Take a tape measure or a piece of string and measure from your sternal notch (that little V at the top of your breastbone) to your nipple, while standing up. A little difference between the two sides is pretty common. And a quick and dirty rule is that an equilateral triangle of 20cm per side from notch to nipple to nipple to notch is "ideal". I doubt too many people meet that. Depending on height/weight, once you start getting closer to 30 reduction MIGHT start to be reasonable. Some of the women whose charts I'm going through were 40+.
joshua - 01/23/07 11:45
I'm in the big boob brigade with the rest of the fellas.
I'm in the big boob brigade with the rest of the fellas.
ajay - 01/23/07 10:41
All of these squiggly "words" in a posting about boobage and no pics?
Sigh....
j/k
Keep the boobs, drop the guy who thinks they're too big.
All of these squiggly "words" in a posting about boobage and no pics?
Sigh....
j/k
Keep the boobs, drop the guy who thinks they're too big.
dragonlady7 - 01/19/07 10:15
Boobs are like my favorite topic.
Well, more accurately, I just can't avoid getting into discussions about them. (They kind of precede me everywhere I go.)
I have been struggling forever trying to find bras that fit. The only place I can consistently find cute bras my size is www.bravissimo.com --- but of course, they're British, and so the prices which to them are reasonable are not so reasonable to me once I factor in the exchange rate and the shipping. (The shipping's always like ten bucks. And if something doesn't fit, of course you can return it, but it's ten bucks to mail it back, and ten more bucks to get the replacement.)
I did just get a couple of really cute built-in-bra halter tops there. I justify the price tag by the fact that I have never seen a product anything like this :::link::: anywhere else. A US shirt with a "built in bra" means "shelf bra suitable for A/B cups".
And "full-figured" means, like, 38C. *rant rant rant*
By UK sizing (I don't even know my US size anymore, how sad is that? The only bras I've seen in stores or on US websites in my size have been the eight-hooks-in-the-back "padded comfort strap" great-grandma bras and your color choices are "white" or "nude") I'm a 36FF. Lemme go do your measuring thing.
Hm, is the "sternal notch" the notch between where your collarbones come together? If so... Eeeh, wow, I'm 30 cm on the dot. I'm not sure about the other measurement, but by my best efforts at measuring, my nipples are about an inch, 1.5 inches below the inframammary fold. But they're nowhere near the bottom of the breast.
I'd be self-conscious about it but I sort of wasted my entire teenage decade being self-conscious so I'm all out of self-conscious at the moment.
But even at my most self-conscious I've never even considered having a breast reduction. I've occasionally wished I didn't have boobs because shopping invariably reduces me to self-loathing tears (I *must* be a freak if there's a whole mall full of clothing and nothing that fits me) and sometimes boobs get in the way, but I've never had back pain, never had posture problems, never had shoulder pain (miraculous, given how poor the fit of most of my bras has been)-- they don't cause me any problems. I actually really do like them, most of the time. They're squishy and comfy, and not all that heavy really. I guess they just fit well with my shape-- I do know of many women who've really suffered, so I don't denigrate their problems at all.
(I have bought one bra from a US maker recently-- www.enell.com is a company owned by a large-breasted woman who just makes one model of bra, a very sturdy and well-designed and comfortable sports bra that means you *don't bounce*. I actually bought the bra from titlenine.com because they have a really good return policy and I wasn't sure about the fit, but I can tell you it's a great bra. If you don't mind hooks from solar plexus to collarbones... But it's really comfy and no bounce, and more importantly you're already squished so when somebody hip-checks you tits-first into the wall, you don't get horrible bruises. Which is what I really want from a sports bra.)
So, all these men who say breast reductions should be illegal?
Men rule the world, right, and run everything?
If you really want to support large-breasted women's desire to remain that way, then make sure bra retailers stock larger sizes in less self-conscious-making and more flattering fashions!
That's all I gotta say about that.
Also I should be able to just drive to the mall and buy this rather than having to order it from overseas. :::link:::
Boobs are like my favorite topic.
Well, more accurately, I just can't avoid getting into discussions about them. (They kind of precede me everywhere I go.)
I have been struggling forever trying to find bras that fit. The only place I can consistently find cute bras my size is www.bravissimo.com --- but of course, they're British, and so the prices which to them are reasonable are not so reasonable to me once I factor in the exchange rate and the shipping. (The shipping's always like ten bucks. And if something doesn't fit, of course you can return it, but it's ten bucks to mail it back, and ten more bucks to get the replacement.)
I did just get a couple of really cute built-in-bra halter tops there. I justify the price tag by the fact that I have never seen a product anything like this :::link::: anywhere else. A US shirt with a "built in bra" means "shelf bra suitable for A/B cups".
And "full-figured" means, like, 38C. *rant rant rant*
By UK sizing (I don't even know my US size anymore, how sad is that? The only bras I've seen in stores or on US websites in my size have been the eight-hooks-in-the-back "padded comfort strap" great-grandma bras and your color choices are "white" or "nude") I'm a 36FF. Lemme go do your measuring thing.
Hm, is the "sternal notch" the notch between where your collarbones come together? If so... Eeeh, wow, I'm 30 cm on the dot. I'm not sure about the other measurement, but by my best efforts at measuring, my nipples are about an inch, 1.5 inches below the inframammary fold. But they're nowhere near the bottom of the breast.
I'd be self-conscious about it but I sort of wasted my entire teenage decade being self-conscious so I'm all out of self-conscious at the moment.
But even at my most self-conscious I've never even considered having a breast reduction. I've occasionally wished I didn't have boobs because shopping invariably reduces me to self-loathing tears (I *must* be a freak if there's a whole mall full of clothing and nothing that fits me) and sometimes boobs get in the way, but I've never had back pain, never had posture problems, never had shoulder pain (miraculous, given how poor the fit of most of my bras has been)-- they don't cause me any problems. I actually really do like them, most of the time. They're squishy and comfy, and not all that heavy really. I guess they just fit well with my shape-- I do know of many women who've really suffered, so I don't denigrate their problems at all.
(I have bought one bra from a US maker recently-- www.enell.com is a company owned by a large-breasted woman who just makes one model of bra, a very sturdy and well-designed and comfortable sports bra that means you *don't bounce*. I actually bought the bra from titlenine.com because they have a really good return policy and I wasn't sure about the fit, but I can tell you it's a great bra. If you don't mind hooks from solar plexus to collarbones... But it's really comfy and no bounce, and more importantly you're already squished so when somebody hip-checks you tits-first into the wall, you don't get horrible bruises. Which is what I really want from a sports bra.)
So, all these men who say breast reductions should be illegal?
Men rule the world, right, and run everything?
If you really want to support large-breasted women's desire to remain that way, then make sure bra retailers stock larger sizes in less self-conscious-making and more flattering fashions!
That's all I gotta say about that.
Also I should be able to just drive to the mall and buy this rather than having to order it from overseas. :::link:::
imk2 - 01/18/07 21:17
i wish i could have one, minus the scars. i love little boobies. the smaller the better. ideally i'd like A cups. i never had little boobies, it was nothing and then one morning, in like 6th grade, it was a D. i envy little boobie girls, and all their pretty, strapless sundresses.
i wish i could have one, minus the scars. i love little boobies. the smaller the better. ideally i'd like A cups. i never had little boobies, it was nothing and then one morning, in like 6th grade, it was a D. i envy little boobie girls, and all their pretty, strapless sundresses.
mrmike - 01/18/07 19:01
I agree with everybody else! and you know how crazy that makes me.
I agree with everybody else! and you know how crazy that makes me.
jenks - 01/18/07 18:47
Shit... Well thanks for the kind words everyone... but now I feel like an ass- the point of my post was not to fish for compliments and seek affirmation about my own boobs... Rather just a commentary on the whole thing...
I've heard guys say that breast reductions should be illegal, that there's no such thing as too big, etc- but believe me. There is such a thing. Saw one chart today- they took 3,500g out of EACH side. That's like 8 POUNDS out of each side. That's a LOT. Generally >1000 is considered a pretty huge reduction.
But don't worry! Mine ain't goin' nowhere. ;) And even if they were, you can be sure it would be my decision, and not b/c of some guy. It's a big surgery, with big scars. You have to be sure you want/need it. But that said- most women I know that have had it done said it was the best thing they ever did.
Shit... Well thanks for the kind words everyone... but now I feel like an ass- the point of my post was not to fish for compliments and seek affirmation about my own boobs... Rather just a commentary on the whole thing...
I've heard guys say that breast reductions should be illegal, that there's no such thing as too big, etc- but believe me. There is such a thing. Saw one chart today- they took 3,500g out of EACH side. That's like 8 POUNDS out of each side. That's a LOT. Generally >1000 is considered a pretty huge reduction.
But don't worry! Mine ain't goin' nowhere. ;) And even if they were, you can be sure it would be my decision, and not b/c of some guy. It's a big surgery, with big scars. You have to be sure you want/need it. But that said- most women I know that have had it done said it was the best thing they ever did.
soma - 01/18/07 18:34
Keep your boobs. You are the sole decision maker on the affair; but I say keep your boobs.. i am a big fan of boobs and i wont go too far into detail but i've dated woen of b cup all the way up to dd's but the most important thing was not their cup size but moreso their personality and compatibility with me.. a pretty face and nice rack were merely bonuses. i think you're quite attractive there jenksie.. dont go changin... ya looked mighty hot dancin on nye.. .. me well i was trapped behind the booth wanting to be on the dance floor... ;-)
but i guess thats a another story fer another time
Keep your boobs. You are the sole decision maker on the affair; but I say keep your boobs.. i am a big fan of boobs and i wont go too far into detail but i've dated woen of b cup all the way up to dd's but the most important thing was not their cup size but moreso their personality and compatibility with me.. a pretty face and nice rack were merely bonuses. i think you're quite attractive there jenksie.. dont go changin... ya looked mighty hot dancin on nye.. .. me well i was trapped behind the booth wanting to be on the dance floor... ;-)
but i guess thats a another story fer another time
metalpeter - 01/18/07 18:20
I agree with both (e:jason) and (e:ladycroft) firstly keep them and who in there right mind would think they are to big. I understand that some people do prefer smaller breasts but still, that would just mean to big for there liking (and they would still like them).
Generaly what is really the most important is how proportional they are for the persons body. Everyone as they grow puts on weight. The question is where you put it on. Some girls all the fat cells in the but grow, some all the fat cells in the belly grow and some all the fat cells that grow are in their breasts. When I say all I really mean most of. So you sometimes have girls with a big stomach and huge titts but no ass and sometimes it is the other way around and sometimes the proportions are preaty close. I do understand that some people want to get a reduction for medical reasons and I can understand that. But a reduction or implants for how society judges you isn't right. It is one thing if you really feal bad about what you have, then yes sometimes changing things can help. But it is important to remember that you arn't a model with no tits and no ass, and you are not Jessica Alba or Carmen Elektra. Belive me Girls are not the only ones who feal self consicous about there appearance but there is no way I'm going to go into detail about the guys side on this blog.
You are right that there have been standards of beauty. But that is more by Hollywood and magazines. When it comes down to the indivual those standards verry a lot. Some guys have to have tall thin girls, some will only go out with c cups or better, so love Ethnic girls only. The only person who it really matters if they like what you look like is you.
I agree with both (e:jason) and (e:ladycroft) firstly keep them and who in there right mind would think they are to big. I understand that some people do prefer smaller breasts but still, that would just mean to big for there liking (and they would still like them).
Generaly what is really the most important is how proportional they are for the persons body. Everyone as they grow puts on weight. The question is where you put it on. Some girls all the fat cells in the but grow, some all the fat cells in the belly grow and some all the fat cells that grow are in their breasts. When I say all I really mean most of. So you sometimes have girls with a big stomach and huge titts but no ass and sometimes it is the other way around and sometimes the proportions are preaty close. I do understand that some people want to get a reduction for medical reasons and I can understand that. But a reduction or implants for how society judges you isn't right. It is one thing if you really feal bad about what you have, then yes sometimes changing things can help. But it is important to remember that you arn't a model with no tits and no ass, and you are not Jessica Alba or Carmen Elektra. Belive me Girls are not the only ones who feal self consicous about there appearance but there is no way I'm going to go into detail about the guys side on this blog.
You are right that there have been standards of beauty. But that is more by Hollywood and magazines. When it comes down to the indivual those standards verry a lot. Some guys have to have tall thin girls, some will only go out with c cups or better, so love Ethnic girls only. The only person who it really matters if they like what you look like is you.
jason - 01/18/07 13:37
Keep your big tits!
Keep your big tits!
ladycroft - 01/18/07 12:47
what planet was this person from that said your boobs were too big? a reduction??? you're NUTS to even entertain that idea. if you're pushing triple H or some crazy shite, SURE..i'm glad you came to your senses!
what planet was this person from that said your boobs were too big? a reduction??? you're NUTS to even entertain that idea. if you're pushing triple H or some crazy shite, SURE..i'm glad you came to your senses!
inspiraysean - 01/18/07 12:10
hey that's cool I'm seeing a girl who works in plastic surgery as a LNP. I'm hoping to get some laser hair removal and no more wax! Vain and superficial? Perhaps, but also sexy and charming:)
hey that's cool I'm seeing a girl who works in plastic surgery as a LNP. I'm hoping to get some laser hair removal and no more wax! Vain and superficial? Perhaps, but also sexy and charming:)
Don't whine about hoping that just maybe, just once, you'd get lucky. How many guys have you told me about that you hang out, he's great, and then when he expresses interest in you, suddenly you're not into him anymore. You get offers, often. So this person, whom we can't even be sure is a guy, screwed around with you online. How can your esteem be hurt by that?? You always get caught up in the future of what could be rather than the here and now. Don't give a second thought about how 'hot' he was either, clearly it's not him. He's prolly some 48 year pedefile living in Mexico because his license was taken away and he runs shadey plastics in his spare bedroom.
First of all he contacted Jenks first Sean. But that being said people's subconcus mind does cause them to repeat the same pattern. For example some women only date assholes. There is somepart of them that likes or feals comfortable with that kind of man. They don't like that and try to change that but can't get out of there comfort level so sean you have the right idea but this isn't a case of it this time.
There is something odd or off about this guy who contacted you. But that dosn't mean everything he said is a Lie. How do you know that the girl isn't the one who told the lie. Who knows who the guy is he could be in Jail or Realy be a nurosurgeon who is lonely. When he realised what he was doing is wrong he deleted all his myspace friends. One of the problems with the internet is that there really is no way to see if people are who they say they are. In any event it is still verry odd that he would lead someone on like that the pictures could even me fake. I don't want to make you paranoid but maybe he is someone who likes you from a far but was affraid to to approach you. In any event it seems like there was something wrong with him and hopefully not in any dangerous kind of way.
youre an idiot sean. i just cannot take another dumb ass remark that falls out of your trap.
the dumb shit you say is astounding...like in one of your stupid blogs where you said that the little daughter of the head coach for the sabres got cancer because, CLEARLY, that was the ONLY way she could get her daddy's attention.
youre a fucking retard. i can't take you anymore.
Clearly (e:jenks) you are of the scientific point of view, so here is a myspace blog that serves well to illustrate my point from this frame of reference:
:::link:::
Case in point Alexis, you attracted this fraud to make you feel "let down, astounded, etc." to use your words. We live in a "feeling" universe and attract to us the people, places and events to answer how it is we are feeling most of the time. What we think and talk about we bring about, vis what we focus upon expands. Begin to practice feeling how you really want to feel and watch the magic unfold, you can and do deserve Dr. Mcdreamy, and he's out there waiting to meet you, if only you open up to receive.
I'm sorry (e:jenks) , but I bit my tongue and didn't say anything when you first brought him up. But his story just sounded too fake.
Maybe I've been on this Internet too long (since I'm just 23 ;) , let's just say I was using the Internet since I was 4), and I've become jaded.
But the story sounded too fake to me. I was hoping and praying that it be true; but I was prepared for it to turn out to be a hoax.
There are sociopaths everywhere. The internet just makes it easier for a psycho to get in touch with another person; and it is a very sterile medium. You can't use your other senses to judge the person. For example: this dude could, for all purposes, be a stinky homeless bum in some public library; and yet he could be playing a pediatric neurosurgeon on the net.
Even in real life psychos abound. For example: there are people who go around claiming to have won all sorts of medals (include the MoH), when in fact they haven't even served a day in the military (no, I'm not talking about Cheney, (e:jason) ! ;) ).
It is possible this asshat knew you worked in the VA.
In any case: who cares? So you played along and had some fun. :)
I'm sorry, too. Wonder if the superhotness was a fake as well. Some schmoe with an apppropriated photograph. It's okay to muse, but don't beat yourself up about it.
Truly weird
jenks that is an outstanding story. It is bizarre and freakish. I'm sorry that he got your hopes up.