Big ups to (e:paul) for explaining the problem with my hover buttons and for offering a fix.
Of course Paul you're right about navigation from the home page not being dependent on java applets...sensible, very sensible.
I did figure out that in most cases IE will load the page and will allow navigation with the old hover buttons, as you predicted -- it just takes a preliminary click, then a follow-up click to actually load the linked page.
But this is definitely not optimal, and those with older versions of IE and with other browsers could easily be stuck on the home page with no way to navigate to others, so that's no good.
I'm going to try to implement (e:paul) 's CSS fix and I'm damn glad to have it. Thanks again, Paul.
If only I had time to update my webpage coding skills past 1998...
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01/07/2007 12:37 #37572
web programming, part II01/06/2007 16:55 #37558
God, Inc.Category: tv
Has anyone else seen this yet on YouTube?
Not as funny as say NBC's "The Office," but not half-bad.
If you are very religious and are easily offended, don't bother. It's not horribly sacrilegious but you wouldn't like it.
Episode 1
Episode 2
Not as funny as say NBC's "The Office," but not half-bad.
If you are very religious and are easily offended, don't bother. It's not horribly sacrilegious but you wouldn't like it.
Episode 1
Episode 2
01/03/2007 22:02 #37530
Verizon can blow meCategory: rip offs
My Verizon home phone bill went up $5+ this month without warning and without explanation.
WTF????????????????????????????????????????????????
Stupid phone company.
WTF????????????????????????????????????????????????
Stupid phone company.
chico - 01/05/07 20:53
hey (e:vycious), it was my overly indulgent "Freedom Essentials" plan. Because I'm antisocial, I like to have Caller ID, and to order that a la carte along with a baseline package puts the bill at about $33 before taxes, so I bit the bullet and spent the extra $6 for the FE (FU?) package, which includes unlimited long distance and other goodies. But this month Freedom Essentials went from 39.99 to 44.99 before taxes and FCC charges so now the grand total is over $60. OUCH. Don't know if the rate hikes apply to other calling plans or to the basic flat rate, sorry...
hey (e:vycious), it was my overly indulgent "Freedom Essentials" plan. Because I'm antisocial, I like to have Caller ID, and to order that a la carte along with a baseline package puts the bill at about $33 before taxes, so I bit the bullet and spent the extra $6 for the FE (FU?) package, which includes unlimited long distance and other goodies. But this month Freedom Essentials went from 39.99 to 44.99 before taxes and FCC charges so now the grand total is over $60. OUCH. Don't know if the rate hikes apply to other calling plans or to the basic flat rate, sorry...
vycious - 01/05/07 19:00
was it company wide, or just you? whats the deal?
was it company wide, or just you? whats the deal?
mrmike - 01/03/07 22:36
Nice to see them getting vilified for once. If I had a ten spot for every evil look shot my way when I was working with customers last week, I could buy estrip lunch.
Least my employers explain their villiany.
But there is spicy food? where?
Nice to see them getting vilified for once. If I had a ten spot for every evil look shot my way when I was working with customers last week, I could buy estrip lunch.
Least my employers explain their villiany.
But there is spicy food? where?
jenks - 01/03/07 22:25
I think you need some nice spicy food to make up for that... maybe tomorrow? This wknd? What say you?
I think you need some nice spicy food to make up for that... maybe tomorrow? This wknd? What say you?
01/02/2007 17:23 #37513
web programming peoples: help!Hi peeps,
I just spent a couple of hours updating and spiffying up my personal website. Content is not quite done but the layout is pretty much the way I want it.
Trouble is, I have these old "hover" buttons on my home page. I rather like them, but the latest version of IE chokes on them. I assume they are not IE-compliant.
I'm not much of a coder -- all of my html is old and shitty, and I haven't a clue whether these buttons can be salvaged or not. Does anyone know how to fix my page so that the hover buttons will load in IE?
As much as I'd like to see everyone using Firefox (and yes, the page seems to load in Firefox) I just can't live with the idea that my homepage is inaccessible to all those misguided people who use IE...
Here's the offending page:
Thanks in advance for your help, peeps.
I just spent a couple of hours updating and spiffying up my personal website. Content is not quite done but the layout is pretty much the way I want it.
Trouble is, I have these old "hover" buttons on my home page. I rather like them, but the latest version of IE chokes on them. I assume they are not IE-compliant.
I'm not much of a coder -- all of my html is old and shitty, and I haven't a clue whether these buttons can be salvaged or not. Does anyone know how to fix my page so that the hover buttons will load in IE?
As much as I'd like to see everyone using Firefox (and yes, the page seems to load in Firefox) I just can't live with the idea that my homepage is inaccessible to all those misguided people who use IE...
Here's the offending page:
Thanks in advance for your help, peeps.
jenks - 01/06/07 23:55
paul you're too awesome. that was so nice!
paul you're too awesome. that was so nice!
paul - 01/06/07 20:03
The reason that it doesn't work has to do with a patent lawsuit that forced microsoft to add a separate click activation to any external media plugin that displays "rich media" on a page and is embedded through html tags. The roll overs work if you hover over them and then click to activate first in IE. IE had to implement this when they lost a lawuit against Eolas. You can read more about it here :::link:::
To make this work you need to use rollovers that are not java applets. In fact I would say it is never a good idea to have your main navigation rely on external applications such as javas applets. If the user does not have java installe don their system, the links would just show up as blank boxes and there would be no way for them to reach your main navigation pages.
Basically each one of your rollovers is a separate java application embedded on the page. This also slows the rendering of the page down greatly. I would just drop the roll over all together and go with a simple css rollover.
To make it easy, I re-wrote and emailed the page for you as standard XHTML and included a graphic file image needed to make the buttons work as CSS rollovers. If you have any questions email me. You shoudl just be able to replace your page with the index.htm I sent you and include the bg.jpg file in your site folder with the other graphics you have. Once it is on there the pictures will show up.
The reason that it doesn't work has to do with a patent lawsuit that forced microsoft to add a separate click activation to any external media plugin that displays "rich media" on a page and is embedded through html tags. The roll overs work if you hover over them and then click to activate first in IE. IE had to implement this when they lost a lawuit against Eolas. You can read more about it here :::link:::
To make this work you need to use rollovers that are not java applets. In fact I would say it is never a good idea to have your main navigation rely on external applications such as javas applets. If the user does not have java installe don their system, the links would just show up as blank boxes and there would be no way for them to reach your main navigation pages.
Basically each one of your rollovers is a separate java application embedded on the page. This also slows the rendering of the page down greatly. I would just drop the roll over all together and go with a simple css rollover.
To make it easy, I re-wrote and emailed the page for you as standard XHTML and included a graphic file image needed to make the buttons work as CSS rollovers. If you have any questions email me. You shoudl just be able to replace your page with the index.htm I sent you and include the bg.jpg file in your site folder with the other graphics you have. Once it is on there the pictures will show up.
joshua - 01/03/07 11:23
Troubleshooting for multiple browsers - every programmers favorite task!
Troubleshooting for multiple browsers - every programmers favorite task!
mrmike - 01/02/07 23:03
New IE liked it, but I've become a Firefox fan of late. IE is just there on my windows like a wet sock on a shower rod.
New IE liked it, but I've become a Firefox fan of late. IE is just there on my windows like a wet sock on a shower rod.
jenks - 01/02/07 18:18
p.s. happy new year, missed you guys at the party.
p.s. happy new year, missed you guys at the party.
jenks - 01/02/07 18:18
what, no link to estrip? We're offended. ;)
(works ok in safari, btw. the buttons don't hover, but clicking them works.)
what, no link to estrip? We're offended. ;)
(works ok in safari, btw. the buttons don't hover, but clicking them works.)
12/28/2006 00:39 #21211
dammit dammit dammit!Category: tv
Oh, why must I go to work tomorrow? Not with a Robot Chicken marathon running till 5:00 a.m. on Cartoon Network!
Dammit dammit dammit!
Ah well. Here's one of my favorite clips found on YouTube:
Dammit dammit dammit!
Ah well. Here's one of my favorite clips found on YouTube:
metalpeter - 12/28/06 19:23
Wouldn't it be funny to call in and say you can't come in because of the Robot Chicken Marathon, I have to see if I can catch some of it.
Wouldn't it be funny to call in and say you can't come in because of the Robot Chicken Marathon, I have to see if I can catch some of it.
jenks - 12/28/06 07:39
hehe, good one.
(you should put up the aliens saying Dammit Dammit Dammit!, too)
I'll see if I can tivo the marathon.
hehe, good one.
(you should put up the aliens saying Dammit Dammit Dammit!, too)
I'll see if I can tivo the marathon.
wow- I don't usually read credits, but somehow 'music by adam b.' caught my eye- He's one of my best friends from college! Yay adam.
awesome.