Here is a story our beloved liberal press will never give us. THIS IS FUCKING SHAMEFUL. Liberals love terror! =D
US author lauds suicide bombers
David Nason, New York correspondent
November 19, 2005
ONE of the greatest living US writers has praised terrorists as "very brave people" and used drug culture slang to describe the "amazing high" suicide bombers must feel before blowing themselves up.
Kurt Vonnegut, author of the 1969 anti-war classic Slaughterhouse Five, made the provocative remarks during an interview in New York for his new book, Man Without a Country, a collection of writings critical of US President George W. Bush.
Vonnegut, 83, has been a strong opponent of Mr Bush and the US-led war in Iraq, but until now has stopped short of defending terrorism.
But in discussing his views with The Weekend Australian, Vonnegut said it was "sweet and honourable" to die for what you believe in, and rejected the idea that terrorists were motivated by twisted religious beliefs.
"They are dying for their own self-respect," he said. "It's a terrible thing to deprive someone of their self-respect. It's like your culture is nothing, your race is nothing, you're nothing."
Asked if he thought of terrorists as soldiers, Vonnegut, a decorated World War II veteran, said: "I regard them as very brave people, yes."
He equated the actions of suicide bombers with US president Harry Truman's 1945 decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima.
On the Iraq war, he said: "What George Bush and his gang did not realise was that people fight back."
Vonnegut suggested suicide bombers must feel an "amazing high". He said: "You would know death is going to be painless, so the anticipation - it must be an amazing high."
Vonnegut's comments are sharply at odds with his reputation as a peace activist and his distinguished war service. He served in the US 106th Division and was captured by German forces at the Battle of the Bulge.
Taken to Dresden and held with other POWs in a disused abattoir, Vonnegut witnessed the appalling events of February 13-14, 1945, when 800 RAF Lancaster bombers firebombed the city, killing an estimated 100,000 civilians.
The experience inspired his book Slaughterhouse Five - the title of the novel coming from the barracks he was assigned in the POW camp. The book became an international bestseller and made Vonnegut a luminary of the US literary left.
But since Mr Bush was elected, Vonnegut's criticisms of US policy have become more and more impassioned.
In 2002, he was widely criticised for saying there was too much talk about the 9/11 attacks and not enough about "the crooks on Wall Street and in big corporations", whose conduct had been more destructive.
The following year he wrote that the US was hated around the world "because our corporations have been the principal deliverers and imposers of new technologies and economic schemes that have wrecked the self-respect, the cultures of men, women and children in so many other societies".
But Vonnegut's latest comments are likely to make many people wonder if old age has finally caught up with a grand old man of American letters.
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11/22/2005 13:33 #23607
Kurt Vonnegut Loves TerroristsCategory: terror
11/22/2005 13:11 #23606
In Bin Laden's Own WordsCategory: terror
In a 1998 interview with ABC's John Miller, Osama bin Laden said that America's withdrawal from Somalia had emboldened his burgeoning al Qaida force and encouraged him to plan new attacks:
"Our people realized more than before that the American soldier is a paper tiger that runs in defeat after a few blows," the terror chief recalled. "America forgot all about the hoopla and media propaganda and left dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat."
Yes, let's follow the liberal strategy again and run away. Given the obvious emboldened nature of the terrorist after they see US forces pulled out of Somalia, WHAT DO YOU THINK THEIR RESPONSE WILL BE IF WE LEAVE IRAQ?
But...then again...who cares about the terrorists - they can't do us any harm! We don't need to pay attention to global terrorism, and we don't need to fight it! Halliburton!!!! Wal*Mart!!! Republican oligarchy!!! Yes those are the true enemies we need to face!!
Silly silly silly silly...I pray that for the safety of us and our families we never have a liberal President again.
"Our people realized more than before that the American soldier is a paper tiger that runs in defeat after a few blows," the terror chief recalled. "America forgot all about the hoopla and media propaganda and left dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat."
Yes, let's follow the liberal strategy again and run away. Given the obvious emboldened nature of the terrorist after they see US forces pulled out of Somalia, WHAT DO YOU THINK THEIR RESPONSE WILL BE IF WE LEAVE IRAQ?
But...then again...who cares about the terrorists - they can't do us any harm! We don't need to pay attention to global terrorism, and we don't need to fight it! Halliburton!!!! Wal*Mart!!! Republican oligarchy!!! Yes those are the true enemies we need to face!!
Silly silly silly silly...I pray that for the safety of us and our families we never have a liberal President again.
james - 11/23/05 00:36
The last liberal president we had was Carter, and clearly the right hard white wing administrations and the one centrist president had nothing to do with creating the current situation. It was all Jimmy's fault!
The last liberal president we had was Carter, and clearly the right hard white wing administrations and the one centrist president had nothing to do with creating the current situation. It was all Jimmy's fault!
metalpeter - 11/22/05 19:00
We have a responsibility to the people of Iraq. We went in there with out them asking and took down Sadam and there military. Now we can't leave untill they have there own government and military set up that will protect the people. There may always be insurgants but we have to let the people and the army and the cops run the country on there own and let them decide it. So we must pull out but slowly and keep a watch on what happens.
Wal-mart is verry evil. They go into small towns and put all the businesses out of business. Why because they are cheeper. They sell cheap clothes made in sweat shops or places that arn't much better. If gorvernments don't bow to them they move to someplace that will. They are going to open a store in china. Wal-Mart are very powerfull and very evil.
We have a responsibility to the people of Iraq. We went in there with out them asking and took down Sadam and there military. Now we can't leave untill they have there own government and military set up that will protect the people. There may always be insurgants but we have to let the people and the army and the cops run the country on there own and let them decide it. So we must pull out but slowly and keep a watch on what happens.
Wal-mart is verry evil. They go into small towns and put all the businesses out of business. Why because they are cheeper. They sell cheap clothes made in sweat shops or places that arn't much better. If gorvernments don't bow to them they move to someplace that will. They are going to open a store in china. Wal-Mart are very powerfull and very evil.
matthew - 11/22/05 17:33
one more thing...the 'terrorists' didn't attack america until under Bush's watch. and maybe america deserved to be brought done a bit (although i believe violence is never the answer). But it seems america doesn't have a problem with killing. what's the iraqi death toll now? and could they all be 'terrorists'? or are they probably mostly women, children, and innocent civilians? (e:jason), your "kill the terror!" attitude doesn't seem to be working very well. let's try to stop our 'terror' before we make more 'terrorists'...or is that too 'liberal'?
one more thing...the 'terrorists' didn't attack america until under Bush's watch. and maybe america deserved to be brought done a bit (although i believe violence is never the answer). But it seems america doesn't have a problem with killing. what's the iraqi death toll now? and could they all be 'terrorists'? or are they probably mostly women, children, and innocent civilians? (e:jason), your "kill the terror!" attitude doesn't seem to be working very well. let's try to stop our 'terror' before we make more 'terrorists'...or is that too 'liberal'?
paul - 11/22/05 14:46
In terms of personal safety, I felt much safer during the Clinton administration and I hated him just as much as Bush.
In terms of personal safety, I felt much safer during the Clinton administration and I hated him just as much as Bush.
matthew - 11/22/05 13:35
"saftey of our families"? Haven't more US citizens died in the last for years under a "non-liberal" president, then have died under the previous president? Also, haven't more world citizens been murdered by US citizens in the last fours years, then under the previous president? Where's the saftey (for everyone, not just americans) now?
"saftey of our families"? Haven't more US citizens died in the last for years under a "non-liberal" president, then have died under the previous president? Also, haven't more world citizens been murdered by US citizens in the last fours years, then under the previous president? Where's the saftey (for everyone, not just americans) now?
11/21/2005 11:15 #23605
In Zarqawi's Own Words.....Category: terror
While many of you libs are hopelessly clinging to the lies and propaganda spewed by your media and politicians (yes, let's call Fox "Faux News" while posting articles from the rabidly anti-american Independent) ....here is Zarqawi in his own words, banking on your spinelessness and unwillingness to fight back against his merry band of Islamofascists.
"The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam-and how they ran and left their agents-is noteworthy. Because of that, we must be ready starting now, before events overtake us, and before we are surprised by the conspiracies of the Americans and the United Nations and their plans to fill the void behind them. We must take the initiative and impose a fait accompli upon our enemies, instead of the enemy imposing one on us, wherein our lot would be to merely resist their schemes."
"The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam-and how they ran and left their agents-is noteworthy. Because of that, we must be ready starting now, before events overtake us, and before we are surprised by the conspiracies of the Americans and the United Nations and their plans to fill the void behind them. We must take the initiative and impose a fait accompli upon our enemies, instead of the enemy imposing one on us, wherein our lot would be to merely resist their schemes."
jason - 11/21/05 12:39
Yes, I would say if you read the Independent and agree that the bullshit they peddle is 100% unquestioned fact, you have a problem on your hands. If you believe 100% of what Fox says, you have that same problem. Well, it doesn't seem you have that problem, Uncut. I don't either. I just engaged in the masochism which is reading the online version of The Nation. Some of it is good reading, most of it is barely worth the effort. So goes the media nowadays.
IF the Independent used this quote (I have no idea), I guarantee it wasn't used to make the same point I made, which is that the liberal strategy for fighting terror (no strategy, no plan, let's hide or run away, Halliburton is the true enemy to the planet) plays right into the hands of the Islamofascists. In a way, the liberal strategy for terror shares a symbiotic relationship with the strategy of the Zarqawis of the world. The liberal strategy HELPS THEM ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS.
Yes, I would say if you read the Independent and agree that the bullshit they peddle is 100% unquestioned fact, you have a problem on your hands. If you believe 100% of what Fox says, you have that same problem. Well, it doesn't seem you have that problem, Uncut. I don't either. I just engaged in the masochism which is reading the online version of The Nation. Some of it is good reading, most of it is barely worth the effort. So goes the media nowadays.
IF the Independent used this quote (I have no idea), I guarantee it wasn't used to make the same point I made, which is that the liberal strategy for fighting terror (no strategy, no plan, let's hide or run away, Halliburton is the true enemy to the planet) plays right into the hands of the Islamofascists. In a way, the liberal strategy for terror shares a symbiotic relationship with the strategy of the Zarqawis of the world. The liberal strategy HELPS THEM ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS.
uncutsaniflush - 11/21/05 11:38
If my memory serves me correctly, and I think it does, the Independent's reportage included this very quote; thus, I don't quite get your point . . .
Should I believe that the quote is false because the "rabidly anti-american" Independent reported it?
Did it suddenly become true when Fox News (I assume since you deign not to provide attribution) reported it?
Is the rabidly pro-American Fox News any more reliable?
Biases are biases. And whenever one reads news reports, one should always consider the source.
Futhermore, it is my firm opinion that limiting one's self to only one source of news -- no matter if it be Fox News or the Independment or the Daily show or any other single source of news -- is not a good thing to do.
Personally, I like to see how differently the same events can be reported by news media with obvious biases.
But that is just me.
If my memory serves me correctly, and I think it does, the Independent's reportage included this very quote; thus, I don't quite get your point . . .
Should I believe that the quote is false because the "rabidly anti-american" Independent reported it?
Did it suddenly become true when Fox News (I assume since you deign not to provide attribution) reported it?
Is the rabidly pro-American Fox News any more reliable?
Biases are biases. And whenever one reads news reports, one should always consider the source.
Futhermore, it is my firm opinion that limiting one's self to only one source of news -- no matter if it be Fox News or the Independment or the Daily show or any other single source of news -- is not a good thing to do.
Personally, I like to see how differently the same events can be reported by news media with obvious biases.
But that is just me.
11/21/2005 09:37 #23604
Not In A Good MoodCategory: rant
I got my paycheck recently, and you know what it said? $115. That's right, that's all they paid me for TWO WEEKS of work (I wasn't in every day, but still). Not only that, but they haven't been giving me my copy of the sent timesheet, so I do not have the (FACTUAL) information that will get me my money. I am shaking I am so pissed off. I am a very dangerous man today. God help the poor asshole who dares to argue with me about this shit.
Jason
Jason
leetee - 11/21/05 09:55
Chin up, Jason. This will get sorted out!
Chin up, Jason. This will get sorted out!
11/15/2005 02:40 #23603
Yes, Jason is Alive and Well!Category: potpourri
I'll stealth ninja post like (e:Joshua) did. He's away from home for the first time in a while, which gives me precious alone time. Sometimes I like to be alone and enjoy the blissful silence, pondering various things without having to be interrupted to speak. I'll write briefly about what is on my wicked mind:
1) My profession - I think I'm not doing what I'm meant to do.
2) I'm not living up to my potential. I can and will do better someday soon.
3) I look at the world around me and I see so many people who just don't give a shit, and that is horribly bothersome. I know I don't agree with everyone here politically, and that's fine - but I'm thinking of "giving a shit" in more broad terms.
4) I'm thinking of tits and ass - a whole locker full of women and myself.
5) Rhonda - I had a dream about her recently. I regret ever being so nasty to her when I de-friended her. That wasn't like me at all. I never thought anything I could say to her would get a reaction - I thought she didn't care about me at all, which is why I felt our friendship was so hopeless. I wish I could tell her that I'm sorry and that of course I cared about her being sick. God if only she knew how much I cared. I felt hurt, and I bited back....HARD. If there is one re-do I want in life, it is that situation. The rest of it I can live with.
6) I love dogs, very much. If I could handle it I would love to be a dog owner one day. Owner doesn't even sound right to me - I've known dogs who were better friends than most humans. So, I wish I could be a friend to a dog. I'll never forget when I was in Philly and my soul was destroyed, 2 dogs came and sat next to me. They knew how bad I felt and they consoled me, laying their heads on my lap and refusing to leave. I then realized how dogs care as much about us as we care about them. Dogs are awesome!
7) I'm thinking about how I like to make people happy, but I have been a self absorbed asshole, an utter failure in that respect. I've been soaking it all in, like those crusty Floridians when they go to the beach.
8) We have another Democrat mayor. Yay. We also have more Democrat county legistlators. This area will continue to fuck itself over until we stop taxing and spending our way to oblivion. Decades of Democrat fiscal and social policy has left this area in utter ruin, and we just float along demanding our social. Tell me this - how many more people have to leave the area, how many jobs have to fly the coop, how many older folks have to be squeezed out of their homes for people to understand something has to change? Do you want your family and friends to stay here? Do you want to be able to get a decent job? Based on the way people voted I think they embrace the idea of Buffalo becoming a ghost town. More taxes, please!
Jason
1) My profession - I think I'm not doing what I'm meant to do.
2) I'm not living up to my potential. I can and will do better someday soon.
3) I look at the world around me and I see so many people who just don't give a shit, and that is horribly bothersome. I know I don't agree with everyone here politically, and that's fine - but I'm thinking of "giving a shit" in more broad terms.
4) I'm thinking of tits and ass - a whole locker full of women and myself.
5) Rhonda - I had a dream about her recently. I regret ever being so nasty to her when I de-friended her. That wasn't like me at all. I never thought anything I could say to her would get a reaction - I thought she didn't care about me at all, which is why I felt our friendship was so hopeless. I wish I could tell her that I'm sorry and that of course I cared about her being sick. God if only she knew how much I cared. I felt hurt, and I bited back....HARD. If there is one re-do I want in life, it is that situation. The rest of it I can live with.
6) I love dogs, very much. If I could handle it I would love to be a dog owner one day. Owner doesn't even sound right to me - I've known dogs who were better friends than most humans. So, I wish I could be a friend to a dog. I'll never forget when I was in Philly and my soul was destroyed, 2 dogs came and sat next to me. They knew how bad I felt and they consoled me, laying their heads on my lap and refusing to leave. I then realized how dogs care as much about us as we care about them. Dogs are awesome!
7) I'm thinking about how I like to make people happy, but I have been a self absorbed asshole, an utter failure in that respect. I've been soaking it all in, like those crusty Floridians when they go to the beach.
8) We have another Democrat mayor. Yay. We also have more Democrat county legistlators. This area will continue to fuck itself over until we stop taxing and spending our way to oblivion. Decades of Democrat fiscal and social policy has left this area in utter ruin, and we just float along demanding our social. Tell me this - how many more people have to leave the area, how many jobs have to fly the coop, how many older folks have to be squeezed out of their homes for people to understand something has to change? Do you want your family and friends to stay here? Do you want to be able to get a decent job? Based on the way people voted I think they embrace the idea of Buffalo becoming a ghost town. More taxes, please!
Jason
paul - 11/15/05 21:17
I voted Judy not democrat.
I voted Judy not democrat.
joshua - 11/15/05 18:42
No, sorry, you cannot blame Joel Giambra for decades and decades of horrible government. And you should be THANKING our Republican legislature for refusing to increase taxes. The Democrats wanted to wait until after election day to decide on tax increases - way to pull the wool over the eyes of your consituents! Yes, this is what we need for Buffalo and Erie county - more taxes, less people, less jobs, more poverty, and no way out.
No, sorry, you cannot blame Joel Giambra for decades and decades of horrible government. And you should be THANKING our Republican legislature for refusing to increase taxes. The Democrats wanted to wait until after election day to decide on tax increases - way to pull the wool over the eyes of your consituents! Yes, this is what we need for Buffalo and Erie county - more taxes, less people, less jobs, more poverty, and no way out.
springfaerie - 11/15/05 12:44
Jason, I'm so glad that you're feeling more like yourself. Don't worry about harsh words and Rhonda- you're better off! Dogs are alot of work- speaking from personal experience here- but they are great! And, FYI the mess we're in right now was caused by having a Republican controlled Legislature and Executive in County Hall. The dem's got stuck holding the bag and are getting stuck with the blame. What we need, pary politics aside, are just plain competent people who don't care one wit about politics. Have a peach of a day!
Jason, I'm so glad that you're feeling more like yourself. Don't worry about harsh words and Rhonda- you're better off! Dogs are alot of work- speaking from personal experience here- but they are great! And, FYI the mess we're in right now was caused by having a Republican controlled Legislature and Executive in County Hall. The dem's got stuck holding the bag and are getting stuck with the blame. What we need, pary politics aside, are just plain competent people who don't care one wit about politics. Have a peach of a day!
Periodically, when (e:Jason) thinks he's bored, he'll come out with such statements. I've learnt to ignore him when he's in this mode. :)
Hm, Liberal Press? Are we still calling the media liberal? When their stories and op-ed's pander more to their sponsers than anything else? Was the phrase 'jew run' missing?
This seems like a journailist, stearing as far away from objectivity as possible, being offended that Vonnegut suggest that people who STRAP EXPLOSIVES TO THEMSELVES are brave. Clearly, it takes a pretty set of rocks to do something like that.
They are verry brave. It takes a lot of curage to belive know the bomb is going to kill you. What if it dosn't for some reason. They belive they are going to heven just like christians who are willing to die for there cause or Japanase pilots who in WWII would fill there planes with explosives and gas and fly into navy ships. The fealing high is just a guess, there is no way of knowing that. I don't know if I completely belive that corportations run this country but they do have a lot of control and give money to canidates who will help them.
Why is that shameful?