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11/23/2009 16:52 #50368

Community-Supported Agriculture
Occurred to me that as I'm looking for a CSA to sign up for, I should ask on here. Anyone have any recs? I've Googled and found a couple of local farms that do it. I'd looked intensively last year and found one I thought might be good, but I had just planted so much stuff in my own garden that I thought perhaps it'd be silly to buy produce. As it turns out, my garden didn't yield a whole hell of a lot, so I should've. But, live and learn. So I want to sign up for one, maybe next spring, but it seems like now's the time to look.

So far I've just found:

and


Anyone have any dealings with either of these, or have any other recommendations?
joshua - 11/28/09 10:44
Nice Tiny!

I never really considered that Five Points would actually sell some of their source ingredients for their baked goods. You should see the list of the places they source from - more than one CSA and a ton of local places. Man, now that I think of it I bet their honey is really good - I've been looking for good honey to put on my yogurt, hehe.

tinypliny - 11/25/09 16:51
I signed up for Thorpe's (and split it with 3 others in the office) winter share today. The deadline is Nov 30. They do have bread and flour as part of the share. Eggs are extra - you are right.

I am not sure that Thorpe's gives you even root vegetables in January. You get only potatoes (and oranges). NO gives out greens and root vegetables and things like brussel sprouts - they are, by far, the most diverse CSA around.

With a name like Five Points Bakery, one would expect bread and flour in their CSA, no? ;-) Organic coffee beans are a surprise - where do they say they get these from? South America?!

As for now, rice, bread and potatoes are banned from my kitchen.

joshua - 11/25/09 14:13
It depends on the CSA. Porter Farms does not offer any eggs, dairy or poultry of any kind as far as I know, and to my knowledge neither does Native Offerings, although NO does have beef and pork. Could be wrong - I went and double checked on their web sites. I believe Thorpe's offers them, and also Good Food Farms. I'm not sure about the ability to incorporate eggs as part of a share - from what I've seen this is merely an additional purchase item and if there were any CSAs that incorporated eggs in a share I'd love to know. (I looked into a share with Five Points Bakery and their members get access to eggs and other items as well, like butter, flour, fair trade organic coffee beans, honey, etc., which must be paid for and can be added to your weekly bread share).

With Thorpe's you have to drive to East Aurora, but one of the things I like about Thorpe's is that they also operate a real farmstand - if you don't participate in their CSA you can still go right to the farm and buy their stuff. I tend to like farmstands - one near Jamestown operated by Abers Acres is great... they are a certified organic farm and have a ton of products, including christmas trees, believe it or not. I think I'm going to stop by here when we go home for T-Day - I'm hoping they will be open.

As for the potato thing - no that is not true. Take a look at NO's winter share and you'll see a lot of root vegetables and perishables that are easily stored over the winter (apples, for example). While I'm sure the variety will not be as great in January as it is in August or September, I think the CSAs that do have winter shares make a fair attempt at making it worth peoples' while.

I do not have a CSA but that is not for a lack of trying - I've investigated this a fair amount over the past couple of years but still tend to return to either Porter or Native, since they have a drop a block away from me. I think that maybe some of these smaller upstarts are worth looking into. My problem, I suppose, is that I'm bad with commitment. You know what though? With Jay cooking more I suppose having a random bunch of food to cobble together into a meal should be some fun.

tinypliny - 11/23/09 21:29
Hmmm... is it true that CSAs give you ONLY potatoes in January. I am little terrified of potatoes - I like them so much that I overeat, so they have been banned from my kitchen indefinitely.
tinypliny - 11/23/09 21:24
(e:Joshua), don't eggs qualify as "credits" for the CSA? I am experimenting with frittatas (a variety of them) and I am hesitant to buy eggs from just anywhere. Do you have a CSA from NO/Porter/Thorpe? Do they include eggs. The email I pasted below mentions eggs but not as a part of the share -- a bit confused.
joshua - 11/23/09 19:08
Porter Farms, Native Offerings might be two of the most well known ones. NO is more expensive than Porter, at least when I checked last. Porter's program requires you to occasionally drive to the farm to pick up your local group's shares once, maybe twice a season - dunno if NO requires you to do that. Both have local drops, which is really convenient. Thorpe's I think is also worth looking into, but I do not know if they have a city drop or not.

I like the CSAs that give you the most options - particularly those that offer dairy/poultry/beef/pork and the like as well. I'm an egg guy, gotta have my eggs - I'd love to get eggs from my CSA, rather than get them from the supermarket. Same with the occasional dairy product. I found a local farm that sells smoked bacon - if I EVER!! found a CSA that offered that I might be in for life, lol.
tinypliny - 11/23/09 17:40
Here's some more farms listed: :::link:::
tinypliny - 11/23/09 17:29
Also, I am not happy with how they are marketing grapefruits. None of the disease association findings they mention are set in stone. Grapefruit alone is not some magic fruit - other parts of the diet play a huge role in how nutrients come together and act on the body in the end.


I just happen to like how they taste - that's all. :)

I really wish they had more emphasis on greens (as Native Offerings do) and not potatoes and baked goods!
tinypliny - 11/23/09 17:12
Winter CSA for 2009 - 2010

When: It will start Dec. 19th, 2009 and go every two weeks, on Saturday, from 10 AM-until 2 PM. It will run for 16 weeks, until March 27th, 2009. There will actually only be 8 pick-ups because of it being every other Saturday.

Where: The Bakery, which is nice and warm and is behind the milk house, just down the driveway from the stand a little bit.

What: Your share will include, on each pick-up:

1 full case (approx. 40 lb.) of mixed oranges (variety varies) and Ruby Red grapefruit. What little is left of beets, garlic, carrots, red meat radishes, and leeks

4 Credit Units â€" to spend as you choose from the following list.

1 Credit Unit is Equivalent to:*
1 loaf of bread of your choice
1 plate of cookies (7)
1 plate of muffins (4)
1 bag potatoes (6lbs)
2 qts. apples from Dan Towers
1 bag of organic (4 lbs) â€" Soft wheat: great for pancakes, biscuits, muffins, scones, & cookies.
Spring hard spelt: for use in yeast breads.
Winter soft spelt: for use in muffins, pancakes, etc.
Ducold Rye: high quality grain for baking rye breads.
Corn: for corn bread mix.
Vinton Soybeans for making roasted soybeans, tofu, soy milk,
Dry Beans (3 lbs.) for baked beans, soups
Sunflower seeds (3 lbs.) possible later on when they are de-hulled

2 Credit Units is Equivalent to:
1 Pie
1 Specialty or Holiday Bake good

  • Our baked goods are made with organic sugar, eggs, milk, and flour (any exceptions will be noted). We also make our pie crust out of our own lard from our organically raised pigs and only real butter no trans fats.

What else will be available to purchase at this time? There should be our organic eggs, beef, and pork, maple syrup, honey, organic sugar, Redmond salt, and baked goods. The fuzzy baby chicks have grown up and should start laying loads of eggs around Christmas time, giving you lots of eggs through the rest of the winter share season.

About the Citrus: We grow it all organically, using no chemicals and fertilize only with organic compost. Weed control is mowing, hand pulling around young trees, weed whacking, and running a chain saw to trim out larger invasive weed brush and prune the trees. We just enjoy growing things so much we can’t stop, so we appreciate you helping to support our “habit”! We will bring you back pictures.


Pink and red grapefruit are such a great source of vitamin “C” and the cancer-fighter, lycopene. Plus a University of Florida College of Medicine study found that adding grapefruit to the diet reduced levels of LDL (bad) cholesterol by 11 percent in six weeks. Studies have also shown that grapefruit lowers triglycerides and may lower the risk of lung cancer.From the Florida Dept. of Citrus

Price: Upon visiting our local Tops grocery store, I discovered if you were to pay their prices for conventional citrus, it would cost you at least $50/case. For organic citrus it would cost an
average of $85.00/case when you do the math.

Our price is $360 for the winter share, which when divided over 8 pickups (16 weeks) equals $45 per pick-up, when you not only get a case of citrus but also 4 credit units worth of baked goods or other produce.

There are no small or large shares, just “one size fits all.” If you wish to purchase extra citrus, you may at a discount if you have a share. It is possible for you to split the share with another family if you choose as there is nothing unlimited this season.

If you can’t eat grapefruit due to the medications you are on, let us know so we pick all oranges for you. *Actually, grapefruit makes prescription drugs more effective so in theory a person could take less medication and have fewer side effects, but not knowing what the ratio is could be
dangerous. We read that at some point the drug companies are going to be required to publish rates on this so that you could, for example eat 1 grapefruit per day and reduce your medication by a prescribed amount. Ask your doctor about this.

About the vegetables: We cannot promise much for beets, carrots, rutabagas, garlic, and red meat radishes, maybe only enough for your 1st or 2nd pick-ups. We are endeavoring, however, to plant some veggies in Florida (organically, of course) and will include them in your share. No guarantees but we will try for summer squash, greens, beets, carrots, and some other experiments and see how it goes. They will not be ready until February and March if they are successful, so January may not have any vegetables except potatoes.


If you regularly come to our farm on a different day (not Saturday) because you have a cow share, we will just save you your share for that day so you don’t have to reschedule your day. Just let us know what will work for you, however keep in mind that your bake goods would not be as fresh.


If you would like a winter share, please let us know as soon as possible so we can make appropriate plans. A winter share could make a great Christmas gift for a family you care about!

Please fill out the bottom and send with your check to:
Thorpe’s Family Organic Farm, 12866 Rt. 78, East Aurora, NY 14052
Payable to: Mike or Gayle Thorpe

I am sending my payment of $360.00 (Deadline to sign up is Nov. 30th.)
tinypliny - 11/23/09 17:02
My advisor has been getting winter crop shares from Native Offerings for the past couple years and from what I hear, is really happy with them. They deliver at (e:Drew)'s church in Buffalo. I think they give out a lot of greens - which is a major plus. Plus they always seem to be sold-out - which is also a sign that their shares are good (or maybe its a marketing ploy...)

I am trying the CSA for the first time this winter and splitting it with 3 others from my office - and this is the email* I received from the lady who is actually going to get the share and split with us.

I am not really happy with the dearth of greens on there - but then I am not going to be paying a huge lot either - it will be around $90 for 16 weeks with 8 deliveries (every 2 weeks). I have a feeling I will be paying this much for only the oranges - but I am not sure I can back out now (Potatoes and breads are banned from my kitchen for now).

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11/05/2009 16:56 #50226

Just got this from Grandma

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theecarey - 11/07/09 18:29
oh damn, just reading the bit on Sherry eggnog cocktail made me stomach turn.

I like the idea of a booze potluck, though.
dragonlady7 - 11/07/09 18:11
Only problem is that like 850 of the recipes are variations on a gin martini, and the other 50 are things like the following, which is an actual excerpt:
SHERRY EGG COCKTAIL
Break an egg into a glass, being careful to preserve the whole yolk.
Fill glass with sherry.


That's the whole recipe. EW.
heidi - 11/07/09 00:17
Instead of a food potluck, we'll all bring a bottle of booze or additives and try out as many recipes as possible? I have a classic shaker set that belonged to my grandparents. :-)
libertad - 11/06/09 10:32
Awesome. I'm a 110% sure that I would never get that from any of my grandparents. Maybe you can share some of the recipes with us. Something that doesn't require tons of different kinds of alcohol so it isn't too expensive to make?
metalpeter - 11/05/09 17:24
Well I expect you to practice and practice so you get them all down, and then use us (e:peeps) as testers of the drinks at the next (e:strip) Party, ha.

10/31/2009 21:17 #50175

crafternation
(e:zobar) has finished all the black in his cross-stitch pattern. It's a thing of beauty.
I did NOT get a photo of his whole costume!!! I can't believe it. i brought my camera, and then, I just didn't take it out of the bag, and I just didn't feel like taking pictures. Ugh! I am so dumb.

Anyway. (e:zobar) mentioned that he was hoping I would explain what all the Craft Nite stuff was about. So I'll explain.
My friend L and I went to high school together. I was class of '97, she was class of '98. She has always been very enthusiastically subscribed to the Girly-Girl School of Awesome. She is a fan of unicorns. She is a fan of pink things. She is a fan of glitter. She is a fan of fairies.
She is also a totally badass mathematician.
So she beads, and sews, and knits, and generally crafts her ass off.
Rewinding again-- I went to college and was class of '02. (There's a year missing. I spent it being a lesbian in Europe. Long story. Also I got mono and Bill Clinton got impeached. Not all good times but we gloss that over in memory.)
So a classmate in the Class of '02 was Dave. Not that Dave that is (e:Zobar). No, another Dave. A previous Dave. I met Dave in 1999 on his 18th birthday. He was lying on the floor moaning. "Oh dear," I said, "you poor thing, how much have you had?" I assumed the frat boys whose suite we were in had fed him too much alcohol. I assumed correctly, but in their defense, his answer was true: "Two beers," he moaned.
He's just that clumsy.
Anyway. Dave turned out to be a great friend, all four years of college. Senior year, I lived off-campus, and rented him a room in the house I was renting. L came to visit me. She and Dave decided to start dating.
Eight years later, they still are. He is a doctor. She is a teacher. Together, they do science for fun. But mostly, they craft. He's actually sort if into sewing, except that he's terrible at it. But he likes it.

So we meet up now and then, and craft things. Mostly, Dave is too tired (being a doctor is exhausting), and sits around causing trouble with (e:Zobar). L. actually knits. I bop around hyperactively and get drunk. It's a good time.
Sometimes we have other people get involved too. That's OK too. More alcohol gets consumed. It's a good time.

I was going to upload pictures but it seems not to work in Safari either. Hm. Oh well. At least I can moblog.

10/31/2009 08:25 #50165

roy orbison in cling-film
I have been instructed to remind (e:james) of our conversation. Just google the words roy orbison clingfilm. You won't believe what comes up. That first result is exactly what you want. And how.

Last time we had a conversation, (e:james) gave us a regrettable Google search term, so I suppose we'll just return the favor. but the really odd and shocking thing about this one is how totally not at all explicit or disturbing the stories generally are. And then there's Roy Orbison. In Clingfilm.
Yeah.

Anyway.
Z informs me that I owe y'all a better post about the Craft Nites, but I have to leave for work in five minutes and am waiting for my jeans to come out of the dryer, so I can't go into it just now.

Also I have a crushing sinus headache this morning, but no flu. Awesome.

Great party last night! I just wish I didn't have to work at 9 am!!
Jesus has not yet risen in this house and I think I won't wake him before I go.
tinypliny - 12/26/09 12:45
What the WHAT?!!! :::link:::
james - 11/01/09 14:19
I wish I could remember what I had you google. But Roy tops it all!
paul - 11/01/09 14:09
That roy orbison in cling film thing is so insane.

10/30/2009 12:49 #50150

i don't have flu after all
So I don't have a costume for me. I figured I'd be so sick I would either have to stay home, or would just curl up in a corner of the party and try not to breathe on anything, while Z went forth and radiated his awesome.
But I woke up this morning and I feel mostly OK. I mean, not fantastic, but OK. So I won't be calling into work and I won't be missing the party.

But I don't have a costume.

Oh well, I'll think of something. :( Not the awesome thing I'd thought of, but something easier. Boo.