metalpeter - 08/24/08 12:52
Hope you had a good time I know I did and I got some art also. I thought that silver guy near the church was interesting.

paul - 08/23/08 21:17
looks tasty. I love granny smiths.

tinypliny - 08/23/08 20:53
Those are interesting thoughts.

(e:zobar), I didn't think wise politicians would have included morality in their manifesto. Then they probably deserve what's coming to them! Really, what a stupid thing to do!!

(e:ajay) and (e:metalpeter): I understand the points you both are making. In this day and age when anti-sexual-harassment laws are firmly in place, I find it quite hard to believe that any woman would take unsolicited advances lying down. Doesn't everyone, including interns, have a job orientation and HR briefing before they start their jobs? However, it's possible that some of them felt that they would lose their jobs had they not complied and that would have made the whole politician affair a nasty power trip. I can easily claim sitting here that I certainly would have fought tooth and nail and not cared about the consequences, but who knows what duress these women were under? The argument is two-sided. I find myself favouring an interview with the mistresses before taking sides. But would they tell the truth, even after so many years have passed? I don't know. :/

metalpeter - 08/23/08 12:47
(e:ajay) if I mis understood what you meant then for that I'm sorry but here is what you said sorry to the " " thing.

"I do have a problem when guys sleep with women over whom they have power. Then it becomes not a case of a guy getting his jollies on the side, but a guy abusing another woman for his power trip."

If a guy is abusing a women as a power trip then that means he does have power over her, since it is an abuse of power. If this is the case then it means that the women doesn't have the power to say no or no thanks and then when he continues she just caves instead of going to someone and let someone know that he is trying to abuse his power. If she doesn't let anyone know or just quit or kick him in the balls or something along those lines then she is powerless. I will admit that it is a jump to say that what you said means all women are powerless. But in this case that does sound like what you are saying.

Just because someone is a boss doesn't mean they have power over someone who is under them, yes most of the time they do. It also doesn't mean that because something is going on that the boss said "Suck my Little dick and don't tell anyone that is little, or if not that little kiss ass you can't stand will and they will get the Job". There are women in the company who sort of have some power over me (girl in human resources I think) and If I met her some place and she was into me I would do her or date her, why she is hot and has a nice laugh. It isn't because she said if you don't go back to my place I'll fuck up your vacation time. Yes she could say that to me and if that bothered me then I would go to her boss.

zobar - 08/23/08 09:59
When politicians make morality a central point of their campaign, they set themselves up for greater scrutiny of their personal lives. If a politician can't hold up to their own well-publicized moral standard, they're done for. This is why Spitzer's career was over, whereas Sam Hoyt's is merely handicapped. I think John Edwards will do OK but his presidential aspirations are over.

Same thing with the anti-gay types. The public doesn't care if their legislators are gay, unless they're also anti-gay. Barney Frank is great; Larry Craig not so much.

- Z

ajay - 08/22/08 20:48
(e:metalpeter) , you should read what I wrote again.

I'm not saying that women have no power. I don't know how you can read that into what I wrote...

And what I wrote applies to women too: if a woman who has power over a man gets him into bed, I have a problem with that too.

metalpeter - 08/22/08 19:44
(e:ajay) What I don't like about what you said is that you said women have no power and can't chose for themselves. Just because someone is your boss doesn't mean they are having sex with you because of that. Why can't it be the other way around. Lets say I want have more of a say in how things go, I got an idea if I have sex with the boss and tease him, and get him in love with me then I become co boss. The fact that you assume these women where victims show that you assume that women are powerless and less then men. Yes it is true that someone a boss will use that power, but see that is what Human Resources or its equal in politics is for, if he wasn't reported then he didn't do anything wrong.

(e:Tiny)

I completely agree with you that what they do in there private lives is just that and as long as it doesn't effect the job they do then who cares. I do understand how the lying to your family could be a flaw and it could lead to other lying. That being said it is still your personal business and shouldn't be used to say that, it makes you a bad politican. I can see if you say lets fund the war on drugs and when you cheat you are doing a line of blow, but that is a little different. You make a great point and I agree completely with it.

ajay - 08/22/08 19:26
The problem I have with Hoyt's behavior is that he cheated with women over whom he had some sort of power; maybe not direct power, but indirect since they were all interns.

In general, I don't have much of a problem when people cheat on their spouses. I know *I* would never do that; but who am I to judge? Maybe they have an open relationship and she never got around to cashing that check. Who knows? Who cares!

I do have a problem when guys sleep with women over whom they have power. Then it becomes not a case of a guy getting his jollies on the side, but a guy abusing another woman for his power trip.

Oh, and I _really_ have a problem with the preachy Republican hypocrites who'll criticize Clinton, and then get some booty of their own on the side. Packwood, Helen Chenoweth, etc. Even Edwards the Prick had strong words for Clinton.

Clinton, to be fair, just had a few instances, and not a drawn out full-blown (no pun intended) affair.

joshua - 08/22/08 12:29
Flesh-eating giant storks? BS!

mrmike - 08/22/08 10:40
You're just being short with me