(e:joshua), I'm not sure where your confusion comes from about me calling you a liar. I made references to it here
here
and here
You say I am being vague about why I call you a liar, but I have three links asking you why you did lie. I don't include links unless I feel they are important. Please look at them. How could you possibly think that my reference to you lying is about the billboards along the Malecón in Havana Cuba. I posted the pics in the chatter, not even in a journal. All I remember saying is that I'm glad that they decided to change their billboards. Since I walked past these billboards in front of the US interest section on a continuous basis for four months, I know exactly what the billboards say. You are right, I do know how the people of Cuba live. You have not seen what I have seen. I spent twelve days traveling Cuba and the rest living in Havana (4 months) Don't call me naive. I know exactly how the Cuban people are living. I didn't live in a resort. I lived with the Cuban people.
I don't rememember saying that I love abortion. In fact I don't remember ever saying anything about abortion.
Just remember, I am talking about issues not politics.
As you said "I will NOT be supressed because I'm a loud-mouthed voice of disagreement and dissent here. " That is exactly why you lied. It is because you want to be the dissent. You want to be the opposing view, regardless of the truth.
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09/17/2006 21:06 #25829
?09/17/2006 20:39 #25828
My name is e:libertadPlease everyone, refer to me as (e:libertad) on the site. If you have my birth name on any of your journals please change it to (e:libertad). That is my pen name here and that is how I would like to be referred to on (e:strip). You can use either one when referring to me in person. This is not directed at anyone in particular, but I hope everyone can respect my wishes. Thank you.
libertad - 09/17/06 23:38
thanks (e:jason), I never said anything about it before so no need to apologize. Thank you and and everyone else for understanding.
thanks (e:jason), I never said anything about it before so no need to apologize. Thank you and and everyone else for understanding.
jason - 09/17/06 21:53
Argh, hey Libertad I apologize profusely. I'm not sure if I can delete my comments on other's journals, but I regret using your birth name. Again, I'm sorry.
Argh, hey Libertad I apologize profusely. I'm not sure if I can delete my comments on other's journals, but I regret using your birth name. Again, I'm sorry.
09/17/2006 02:03 #25827
Some random picsI seriously need to do some digital pic maintaining. Pics everywhere and I'm nervous many could be lost due to a faulty burner...
kookcity2000 - 09/17/06 03:25
random but awesome\
random but awesome\
09/14/2006 20:13 #25826
Goodbye internetCategory: internet
So I just saw all the messages I have had since the end of July (as in private estrip messages). For some reason I didn't see them. Thanks for all the messages peeps. (e:paul) is requesting I categorize my postings. I'll try and get into that, but I'm not so good at organizing anything.
This post is about how I will soon become one of the many in this country that can't afford to have an internet connection. It is quite an awakening to not be able to afford something that I have prioritized over many things in life especially the cable. I don't give two shits about cable, but I want my high-speed internet.
Since my life at the moment requires I have a cell phone, connection through dial up is not an option. DSL also not an option. Road Runner aka Power Link is not an option. I'm not going to spend $60/mo on this. It can't possibly be budgeted. Here I am, a student trying to finish my education and I am being pushed away from internet access. Why? Because we have no freaking choice anymore. EVERYTHING is becoming larger and larger to the point that just a hand full of companies own all of our sources of information, products and services. The poor of course, are the first to feel these effects, because it hits us the hardest. Yes I am poor. I'm not afraid to say that anymore, cause it is the truth. It is hard to belive that when I graduate, that things will be any different.
I'm including a transcript of the dialogue between Amy Goodman from Democracy Now and the FCC Comissioner Michael Copps. You can watch it here... http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/13/1331236
Take notice in the lack of the liberal conservative talk bullshit. The dialogue is about the issue, not about some stupid division that we are supposed to adhere by. Not everything fits into some label as if we were able to categorize everything said into some imaginary filling cabinet. I highlighted things i found particularly important, but I believe the transcript in its entirety deserves to be read.
AMY GOODMAN: I'm joined now by FCC Commissioner Michael Copps. Welcome to Democracy Now!
MICHAEL COPPS: Thank you for having me here this morning.
AMY GOODMAN: It's good to be with you. Let's talk about this report that is criticizing the FCC and Congress around broadband, saying that the United States is far behind, remains 16th in the world in broadband penetration. 14 other countries saw higher overall net growth in broadband options. The U.S. has the fourth highest level of students who have never used a computer, among these nations, exceeded only by Turkey, Slovakia and Mexico, and that population density is not a significant determinant of broadband penetration. The most important factors explaining the digital divide are household income and poverty.
MICHAEL COPPS: That's a startling indictment, isn't it? It bears a lot of what I have been saying, and it's worse than that, really. The ITU, International Telecommunications Union, is the international body that ranked us as number 16. They now have a newer study out even that's somewhat more nuanced, that goes into cell phones and home computers and everything. And you know where we are on that list? 21, right behind Slovenia and Estonia.
The reason is that we do not have a national strategy to get broadband out to our people. I think we're probably the only industrialized country on the face of the earth that lacks a coherent national strategy to build this infrastructure, and it's damaging for all Americans. It's damaging for small businesses who are unable to compete, and most of all, it's damaging for minorities and diversity communities, people who live in the inner cities and people who live in rural America, where the market, I don't think, is just going to automatically take all of this infrastructure.
AMY GOODMAN: So what is the FCC doing about this?
MICHAEL COPPS: Not enough. We continue to analyze this in old-fashioned ways. We're still talking about broadband as 200 kilobits. We satisfy ourselves that broadband is being reasonably deployed around the country by looking at a zip code, and if there's one business that subscribes to broadband in that zip code, we say, "Whoopee, everything is fine and dandy. Broadband is being deployed." So we have to start looking at it and learning what other countries are doing, who are cleaning our clock on this.
We have to look what some of our own communities are doing when the market doesn't get there. They're going in and building their own broadband networks to get this out to their people, because they understand in this digital age if the kid living on the farm or the inner city does not have access to high-speed broadband, he's going to be left behind, and we're going to end up with a digital gap in this new century of 21st century technology that's going to be worse than the digital gap we had in the 20th century in the days of plain old telephone service.
AMY GOODMAN: And the corporations that are fighting this and fighting net neutrality, fighting community internet, saying even if they don't wire a community -- this happened in Pennsylvania -- that you can't have the free wireless internet.
MICHAEL COPPS: This is not how we built America. If you look at every infrastructure we've had since the beginning, whether it's getting settlers on the land or getting produce to markets, business and government, with an active role for government, built turnpikes and roads and river and harbor improvements. After the Civil War, when we became a transcontinental country, we built the transcontinental railroad. We had even the highway system under Eisenhower in the 1950s. All of these things, you had a partnership between private sector and public sector and a national strategy and a national goal, and we got it done.
Now, here we are in the 21st century, this is our new infrastructure challenge, getting all the Americans on the information highway. And we're just going into it without a strategy and without that kind of cooperative partnership that built the United States of America.
AMY GOODMAN: What about this issue of net neutrality and corporations -- many people feel the telecoms writing the legislation?
MICHAEL COPPS: We need an explicit principle of nondiscrimination. We made some progress. I pushed very hard last summer to get a statement of internet principles and net neutrality at the FCC. It wasn't everything I would have liked. It's not really enforceable. We need to go beyond that now and make an explicit statement that we're not going to tolerate discrimination on the internet and then make the Federal Communications Commission the honest umpire in all of this, to handle complaints and give it the authority to do so. Some people don't want to do that. They want to just let all of this continue with a happy notion that the marketplace is going to solve everything.
The genius of this internet was its openness. You had the dumb pipes and the intelligence on the edges. What some of the network owners are trying to do now is to put the control and the intelligence in the pipes and make us all dumb at each edge. Basically that's what it comes down to. And that's just a denial of everything that the internet is supposed to be. This is a wonderful dynamic, open, pro-democracy infrastructure that we need to sustain, and we need to nourish it, and we're not getting it done.
AMY GOODMAN: And how do people enter the debate up against these massive extremely well-financed corporate campaigns?
MICHAEL COPPS: I'm convinced that everything that happens, and you know this better than me, is grassroots action on the part of democracy-inclined citizens across this country of ours. That's how we checked the media ownership rules that Chairman Powell tried to foist on us three years ago. That's how the citizens can have input into this debate now. Contact the FCC. Contact your representatives. Talk it up on talk radio. Write op-eds. Talk to your family. Talk to your neighbors. Make it that grassroots issue.
AMY GOODMAN: What is the biennial rule review, Commissioner Copps? And can you talk about media concentration overall?
MICHAEL COPPS: Well, they've changed it now to a quadrennial review so that every four years we're supposed to look at our media ownership rules and see if they are serving the public interest. We did this last in 2003, and Chairman Powell was adamant on pushing through -- and he did this with his majority against my opposition and Commissioner Adelstein's opposition -- to such an extent that one big company could own in some markets in this country three television stations, eight radio stations, the newspaper -- already a monopoly in most cities -- cable channels, cable network and the internet provider. How does that serve localism and diversity and competition? How does that nourish the creative genius of the United States of America? How does it serve the public interest?
The people own the airwaves. There's no broadcaster, no individual, no enterprise in this country that owns an airwave. You own the airwaves. Your listeners and viewers own the airwaves, and when people realize that and are reminded of that, they get very proprietary about them, and they see the localism and the diversity that's been sacrificed. No local entertainment, no creative genius, everything on the playlist and the homogenized entertainment, and more damaging still, what happens to the democratic debate. No political coverage, no teeing up of controversial issues. No clash of really give-and-take and antagonistic opinions. We've lost a lot. Our media are supposed to be serving democracy and encouraging democracy, and they're not.
AMY GOODMAN: Public comment period is open now for what? It's about to close.
MICHAEL COPPS: It's about to close on the media ownership on September 22nd, which is very close. And there's another 60 days for reply comments, but until we vote, we are open to receiving communications, emails, letters.
AMY GOODMAN: And how do people communicate with you?
MICHAEL COPPS: You can go to fcc.gov, to the home page of the FCC. It will tell you how to do it, but just write to the FCC or email fcc.gov or --
AMY GOODMAN: Matthew Lasar has an interesting website, lasarletter.com, where he posted that Clear Channel is asking for a lifting of the limits on what a radio -- what a communications company can own. They have now over 1,200 radio stations. How does that work? They appeal to you? They petition?
MICHAEL COPPS: Yes. If we change now, if we go through this new ownership proceeding that's up for grabs, and all these rules could be changed and we could lift the caps, and there will be another great wave of consolidation. I don't think anybody really anticipated in Congress in 1996 when they changed the law that we would go from a situation where the biggest -- the most stations that weren't company-owned was maybe 75 at that time, to where you've got 1,200 now. But there could be a lot more.
So we're getting into this situation, where we have distribution controlled by a very few companies, and now, very different from what it was 30 or 40 years ago, they own the content, too. And when you combine content and distribution, I believe John D. Rockefeller told us what that was, it was monopoly.
AMY GOODMAN: We have only ten seconds. I wanted to ask you about VNRs, when they're going to be identified as that, video news releases instead of news pieces and the paying off of journalists, governments paying journalists.
MICHAEL COPPS: Well, we have a proceeding going. I hope we put it on the front burner. We're struggling to get it on the front burner. When the American people see something that's not produced by a station, they ought to have full disclosure and it ought to be apparent to them that they know that this is being produced by somebody else. And if there's consideration being received for it, they certainly have to talk about that.
AMY GOODMAN: Big public hearing in Los Angeles, when?
MICHAEL COPPS: On October the 3rd in Los Angeles, media ownership, very important. It's going to be the first of a very few, probably half a dozen hearings that the chairman has agreed to hold on media ownership.
AMY GOODMAN: FCC Commissioner Michael Copps, thanks so much for being with us.
This post is about how I will soon become one of the many in this country that can't afford to have an internet connection. It is quite an awakening to not be able to afford something that I have prioritized over many things in life especially the cable. I don't give two shits about cable, but I want my high-speed internet.
Since my life at the moment requires I have a cell phone, connection through dial up is not an option. DSL also not an option. Road Runner aka Power Link is not an option. I'm not going to spend $60/mo on this. It can't possibly be budgeted. Here I am, a student trying to finish my education and I am being pushed away from internet access. Why? Because we have no freaking choice anymore. EVERYTHING is becoming larger and larger to the point that just a hand full of companies own all of our sources of information, products and services. The poor of course, are the first to feel these effects, because it hits us the hardest. Yes I am poor. I'm not afraid to say that anymore, cause it is the truth. It is hard to belive that when I graduate, that things will be any different.
I'm including a transcript of the dialogue between Amy Goodman from Democracy Now and the FCC Comissioner Michael Copps. You can watch it here... http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/13/1331236
Take notice in the lack of the liberal conservative talk bullshit. The dialogue is about the issue, not about some stupid division that we are supposed to adhere by. Not everything fits into some label as if we were able to categorize everything said into some imaginary filling cabinet. I highlighted things i found particularly important, but I believe the transcript in its entirety deserves to be read.
AMY GOODMAN: I'm joined now by FCC Commissioner Michael Copps. Welcome to Democracy Now!
MICHAEL COPPS: Thank you for having me here this morning.
AMY GOODMAN: It's good to be with you. Let's talk about this report that is criticizing the FCC and Congress around broadband, saying that the United States is far behind, remains 16th in the world in broadband penetration. 14 other countries saw higher overall net growth in broadband options. The U.S. has the fourth highest level of students who have never used a computer, among these nations, exceeded only by Turkey, Slovakia and Mexico, and that population density is not a significant determinant of broadband penetration. The most important factors explaining the digital divide are household income and poverty.
MICHAEL COPPS: That's a startling indictment, isn't it? It bears a lot of what I have been saying, and it's worse than that, really. The ITU, International Telecommunications Union, is the international body that ranked us as number 16. They now have a newer study out even that's somewhat more nuanced, that goes into cell phones and home computers and everything. And you know where we are on that list? 21, right behind Slovenia and Estonia.
The reason is that we do not have a national strategy to get broadband out to our people. I think we're probably the only industrialized country on the face of the earth that lacks a coherent national strategy to build this infrastructure, and it's damaging for all Americans. It's damaging for small businesses who are unable to compete, and most of all, it's damaging for minorities and diversity communities, people who live in the inner cities and people who live in rural America, where the market, I don't think, is just going to automatically take all of this infrastructure.
AMY GOODMAN: So what is the FCC doing about this?
MICHAEL COPPS: Not enough. We continue to analyze this in old-fashioned ways. We're still talking about broadband as 200 kilobits. We satisfy ourselves that broadband is being reasonably deployed around the country by looking at a zip code, and if there's one business that subscribes to broadband in that zip code, we say, "Whoopee, everything is fine and dandy. Broadband is being deployed." So we have to start looking at it and learning what other countries are doing, who are cleaning our clock on this.
We have to look what some of our own communities are doing when the market doesn't get there. They're going in and building their own broadband networks to get this out to their people, because they understand in this digital age if the kid living on the farm or the inner city does not have access to high-speed broadband, he's going to be left behind, and we're going to end up with a digital gap in this new century of 21st century technology that's going to be worse than the digital gap we had in the 20th century in the days of plain old telephone service.
AMY GOODMAN: And the corporations that are fighting this and fighting net neutrality, fighting community internet, saying even if they don't wire a community -- this happened in Pennsylvania -- that you can't have the free wireless internet.
MICHAEL COPPS: This is not how we built America. If you look at every infrastructure we've had since the beginning, whether it's getting settlers on the land or getting produce to markets, business and government, with an active role for government, built turnpikes and roads and river and harbor improvements. After the Civil War, when we became a transcontinental country, we built the transcontinental railroad. We had even the highway system under Eisenhower in the 1950s. All of these things, you had a partnership between private sector and public sector and a national strategy and a national goal, and we got it done.
Now, here we are in the 21st century, this is our new infrastructure challenge, getting all the Americans on the information highway. And we're just going into it without a strategy and without that kind of cooperative partnership that built the United States of America.
AMY GOODMAN: What about this issue of net neutrality and corporations -- many people feel the telecoms writing the legislation?
MICHAEL COPPS: We need an explicit principle of nondiscrimination. We made some progress. I pushed very hard last summer to get a statement of internet principles and net neutrality at the FCC. It wasn't everything I would have liked. It's not really enforceable. We need to go beyond that now and make an explicit statement that we're not going to tolerate discrimination on the internet and then make the Federal Communications Commission the honest umpire in all of this, to handle complaints and give it the authority to do so. Some people don't want to do that. They want to just let all of this continue with a happy notion that the marketplace is going to solve everything.
The genius of this internet was its openness. You had the dumb pipes and the intelligence on the edges. What some of the network owners are trying to do now is to put the control and the intelligence in the pipes and make us all dumb at each edge. Basically that's what it comes down to. And that's just a denial of everything that the internet is supposed to be. This is a wonderful dynamic, open, pro-democracy infrastructure that we need to sustain, and we need to nourish it, and we're not getting it done.
AMY GOODMAN: And how do people enter the debate up against these massive extremely well-financed corporate campaigns?
MICHAEL COPPS: I'm convinced that everything that happens, and you know this better than me, is grassroots action on the part of democracy-inclined citizens across this country of ours. That's how we checked the media ownership rules that Chairman Powell tried to foist on us three years ago. That's how the citizens can have input into this debate now. Contact the FCC. Contact your representatives. Talk it up on talk radio. Write op-eds. Talk to your family. Talk to your neighbors. Make it that grassroots issue.
AMY GOODMAN: What is the biennial rule review, Commissioner Copps? And can you talk about media concentration overall?
MICHAEL COPPS: Well, they've changed it now to a quadrennial review so that every four years we're supposed to look at our media ownership rules and see if they are serving the public interest. We did this last in 2003, and Chairman Powell was adamant on pushing through -- and he did this with his majority against my opposition and Commissioner Adelstein's opposition -- to such an extent that one big company could own in some markets in this country three television stations, eight radio stations, the newspaper -- already a monopoly in most cities -- cable channels, cable network and the internet provider. How does that serve localism and diversity and competition? How does that nourish the creative genius of the United States of America? How does it serve the public interest?
The people own the airwaves. There's no broadcaster, no individual, no enterprise in this country that owns an airwave. You own the airwaves. Your listeners and viewers own the airwaves, and when people realize that and are reminded of that, they get very proprietary about them, and they see the localism and the diversity that's been sacrificed. No local entertainment, no creative genius, everything on the playlist and the homogenized entertainment, and more damaging still, what happens to the democratic debate. No political coverage, no teeing up of controversial issues. No clash of really give-and-take and antagonistic opinions. We've lost a lot. Our media are supposed to be serving democracy and encouraging democracy, and they're not.
AMY GOODMAN: Public comment period is open now for what? It's about to close.
MICHAEL COPPS: It's about to close on the media ownership on September 22nd, which is very close. And there's another 60 days for reply comments, but until we vote, we are open to receiving communications, emails, letters.
AMY GOODMAN: And how do people communicate with you?
MICHAEL COPPS: You can go to fcc.gov, to the home page of the FCC. It will tell you how to do it, but just write to the FCC or email fcc.gov or --
AMY GOODMAN: Matthew Lasar has an interesting website, lasarletter.com, where he posted that Clear Channel is asking for a lifting of the limits on what a radio -- what a communications company can own. They have now over 1,200 radio stations. How does that work? They appeal to you? They petition?
MICHAEL COPPS: Yes. If we change now, if we go through this new ownership proceeding that's up for grabs, and all these rules could be changed and we could lift the caps, and there will be another great wave of consolidation. I don't think anybody really anticipated in Congress in 1996 when they changed the law that we would go from a situation where the biggest -- the most stations that weren't company-owned was maybe 75 at that time, to where you've got 1,200 now. But there could be a lot more.
So we're getting into this situation, where we have distribution controlled by a very few companies, and now, very different from what it was 30 or 40 years ago, they own the content, too. And when you combine content and distribution, I believe John D. Rockefeller told us what that was, it was monopoly.
AMY GOODMAN: We have only ten seconds. I wanted to ask you about VNRs, when they're going to be identified as that, video news releases instead of news pieces and the paying off of journalists, governments paying journalists.
MICHAEL COPPS: Well, we have a proceeding going. I hope we put it on the front burner. We're struggling to get it on the front burner. When the American people see something that's not produced by a station, they ought to have full disclosure and it ought to be apparent to them that they know that this is being produced by somebody else. And if there's consideration being received for it, they certainly have to talk about that.
AMY GOODMAN: Big public hearing in Los Angeles, when?
MICHAEL COPPS: On October the 3rd in Los Angeles, media ownership, very important. It's going to be the first of a very few, probably half a dozen hearings that the chairman has agreed to hold on media ownership.
AMY GOODMAN: FCC Commissioner Michael Copps, thanks so much for being with us.
metalpeter - 09/15/06 19:38
First of all interesting article above. Secondly you said you have a cell phone that you must use, is it capable of surfing the web? You may want to look into that also.
First of all interesting article above. Secondly you said you have a cell phone that you must use, is it capable of surfing the web? You may want to look into that also.
zobar - 09/15/06 07:53
My DSL provider :::link::: [an independent, local company based in the southern tier] is able to provide DSL at $40/mo without an active Verizon land line [which I believe costs somewhere around $25/mo].
If you live within the city limits, you can also get broadband from Buffalo Wireless :::link::: [another independent, local company based downtown] for $30/mo without any cable or phone line at all. I've never used them, and I can't vouch for their service.
- Z
My DSL provider :::link::: [an independent, local company based in the southern tier] is able to provide DSL at $40/mo without an active Verizon land line [which I believe costs somewhere around $25/mo].
If you live within the city limits, you can also get broadband from Buffalo Wireless :::link::: [another independent, local company based downtown] for $30/mo without any cable or phone line at all. I've never used them, and I can't vouch for their service.
- Z
mrmike - 09/14/06 22:12
I can set you up at the thingy Imk mentions - $24.95 a mo. Say the word. Don't call the toll free numbers. If you want to do it, let me know and we can skip the b.s. that usually goes on there.
I can set you up at the thingy Imk mentions - $24.95 a mo. Say the word. Don't call the toll free numbers. If you want to do it, let me know and we can skip the b.s. that usually goes on there.
imk2 - 09/14/06 21:08
no no noooooo, dont despair. adelphia offers a cheaper version of powerlink (that is supposedly slower than the regular version, but i havent noticed a difference) and its only $26 dollars a month. thats what i have because i also refuse to spend $45 dollars a month on internet. its absolutely the same, its still super duper high speed and you can use a router and all that good stuff just like regular cable internet. so just call them up and tell them you want the BASIC internt. and if for some reason because of the buy out by time warner of adelphia, they should not offer this anymore, talk to (e:mrmike) he might be able to hook you up some way or another.
no no noooooo, dont despair. adelphia offers a cheaper version of powerlink (that is supposedly slower than the regular version, but i havent noticed a difference) and its only $26 dollars a month. thats what i have because i also refuse to spend $45 dollars a month on internet. its absolutely the same, its still super duper high speed and you can use a router and all that good stuff just like regular cable internet. so just call them up and tell them you want the BASIC internt. and if for some reason because of the buy out by time warner of adelphia, they should not offer this anymore, talk to (e:mrmike) he might be able to hook you up some way or another.
kara - 09/14/06 20:31
Our cable modem is $42/mo - that's without any television package. Time Warner is probably going to have some great specials trying to keep their Adelphia customers in the next few months - you could try to get one of their special rates for the next few months.
Are there any neighbors with whom you could split the cost with a wifi connection?
Our cable modem is $42/mo - that's without any television package. Time Warner is probably going to have some great specials trying to keep their Adelphia customers in the next few months - you could try to get one of their special rates for the next few months.
Are there any neighbors with whom you could split the cost with a wifi connection?
09/12/2006 18:52 #25825
Brain deadBlah. I feel like my brain is so full that I can't even think straight. I stopped having coherent thoughts at about 4pm then I had to go to one more class and think in another language. I was so lost. I tried to speak and it just couldn't get what I wanted to say out. I need more brain power. I'm so out of it right now. Tonight I have to write a two page composition about my classmates "en buen español". Not sure I can do it considering I can barely write this.
I'm still working on the "railing". (e:mk) and (e:mike) came to see me working. Mk said she thought it would be smaller. Do you know how long I have been removing all of the paint I had put on? I don't know either, but a long time! I hate the railing, I hate the railing, I hate the....
I'm still working on the "railing". (e:mk) and (e:mike) came to see me working. Mk said she thought it would be smaller. Do you know how long I have been removing all of the paint I had put on? I don't know either, but a long time! I hate the railing, I hate the railing, I hate the....
(e:uncutsaniflush), sorry for the confusion. That wasn't directed at you, just the first part was. The part where I was agreeing with you about not being an expert. I have to admit, I don't know what you mean about answering comments inline. These comments are getting awfully confusing.
(e:jason) and (e:joshua) both thought I was not treating them fairly because I didn't rebuke ajay for his words (political labels and such not directed at me). I definitely see their point. Maybe I was being unfair in just puting it all on (e:joshua), I just thought you could defend yourself against (e:ajay), and you have.
One final thing (e:joshua), I know how you feel many times about feeling that you are the minority. There are many times that I feel this way, even when it seems that I don't.
(e:libertad) if you were addressing to me the part about (e:jay) and you being two different people, please believe me that i am very aware of this.
I answer comments inline (threaded to use a usenet term) where they originally occurred (to avoid confusion, ironically enough) unless I feel the comments warrant a journal of my own.
I agree with you (e:uncutsaniflush) regarding not being an expert on a governement just because you have lived in that country. Really the more I ever know about any given topic, the more I know that I really don't know all that I could.
As for me going to Cuba to study it was because of my deepest desire to come to my own understanding of the country based on experience. In retrospect, I have gained more questions than answers. I would like to reiterate that I have never down played the Cuban Government's oppression over the people. There is a lot that I can share about this and I wouldn't mind doing so. You may have misinterpreted what I said in chat when I said I'm glad they decided to change the billboards. That happens a lot when I use sarcasm, so I understand why it happened. As you can see they only changed one propaganda sign to another. These signs appear everywhere in Cuba, even in the coutry side. It was my way of adding humor.
I have a fairly good idea of where I fall on the political spectrum. All I have been saying is that I don't think its important when discussing issues. I think affixing political labels to people only inhibits dialogue. That is why I try to avoid it when it is possible.
Another thing is that (e:ajay) and I are two different people with each our own views. If you have a problem with the manner in which he responds to you, I think it is best that you addresss him. Some of our views may be similar, but I don't think we can be grouped together so easily.
You know, (e:ajay), that just living in a country doesn't automatically make you an expert on that country's government.
So, theorically, (e:joshua) could have a greater understanding of the Cuban government than (e:libertad).
That being said, I think that (e:libertad) has an interest in politics and culture so that I think he has insight as to the realities of living under the Cuban government.
Perhaps if (e:libertad) and (e:joshua) got together, we might get a most excellent examination of the Cuban government from inside and out.
(e:joshua) writes: "You've spent time there and as a result I would hope for you to be somewhat savvy with how their government works."
.... as opposed to (e:joshua), who has _not_ spent any time there, and yet is fully savvy about how their government works. :-D
I will admit that I haven't been to Cuba. But I have wondered many a time why we do have sanctions on Cuba, when much worse countries like China get "most favored nation" treatment? If the US truly wanted to get rid of Castro, they would just lift the sanctions and let capitalism take care of the problem, just like it did in fUSSR and is doing in China. I guarantee you that if the sanctions were lifted today, Castro's government would fall in less than a year or two...
Yes i am biased, we ALL are. No i have never said that the Cuban government doesn't have a strong program of propaganda. It is as overt as can be. The fact is there are good things and bad about our government and theirs. If I have ever pointed out the good in theirs, it does not imply that I agree with everything or even the majority of what they do. Likewise, when I point out the bad in ours, it does not mean that we do not have good as well.
I guess we will have to wait until you actually explain why you lied.
PS - I respect your wish for your given name to not be used - I'm all for keeping it somewhat anonymous if people choose to and that is all good by me. I edited out your name in my post.
PS - after reading the comments you were talking about I'm convinced that you don't know what "political hackery" is. If you somehow see that from what I write, but don't see it from what someone else with what Ajay says... then I'm going to be accusing you of being biased. Which is fine, but at least be honest about it.
Point 1 - you aren't being naive about the people of Cuba, I think you are playing down or simply ignoring how the Communist government there distributes and maintains a propaganda program, as all Communist governments do. You've spent time there and as a result I would hope for you to be somewhat savvy with how their government works.
Point 2 - The abortion thing was a RHETORICAL statement... I thought it was fairly obvious but if I wasn't clear, now you know.
Point 3 - The issues we talk about regularly ARE political in nature. Therefore, we are talking about politics.
Point 4 - I am the loud-mouthed voice of disagreement and dissent here BY DEFAULT. Trust me, I'd be happier if more people saw things my way around here. Unfortunately that is not the case.
I will address your calling me a liar later - I don't have time to pick apart anybody's logic tonight. If I have somehow, somewhere told a factual lie I'd be happy to rescind if its the case. If you classify lying as not telling the truth as YOU see it, then I cannot help you. At this juncture however, to be completely honest, I think its a load of shit. In fact, this whole statement -
"That is exactly why you lied. It is because you want to be the dissent. You want to be the opposing view, regardless of the truth."
- Is a load of shit. That is a meaningless statement and is in fact UNTRUE, which apparently makes you a liar. I'm not a contrarian... that should be blindingly obvious to anybody that reads what I talk about. Despite my abrasive political demeanor I'm not actually out here just to tell people no when they say yes, or to say up when someone else says down, for the hell of it, like you are suggesting. If you've somehow been lead to believe that based on what I've written, I'm here to tell you that you are hallucinating are are 100% incorrect about that. You are reading into something that isn't there.