Every single one of the clowns in and out of media who blamed Karl Rove outrightly for the CIA leak case were wrong, as usual.
The worst part of this all is that Fitzgerald KNEW who leaked the identity for a very long time, and that Valerie Plame's identity was actually in a State Department memo at the time (so much for her "supposed" covert status behind that desk at Langley). Hey, but whats to stop the facts from a GREAT fairy tale and the ensuing hatchet job that unscrupulous liberals everywhere laughably attempted on Rove, on Cheney, on the President himself. I could have told you that this was going to be the case, but hey... when you are a liberal and you like what you hear regardless of its validity (Rathergate is another prime example) its really interesting to me how all of the sudden the ENDLESS QUEST FOR "TRUTH" is cast away and the demolition equipment gets brought instead. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.
My favorite Democrat, Bill Clinton, apparently has a legacy so wafer thin that when a movie that *doesn't* make Clinton look like Rambo with a 14" gold plated dick gets released, all of his shameful and self-serving cabinet members (thanks for North Korea, assholes!) have to come out of the woodwork and attempt what is known in Washington circles as "damage control" and ask for the series to be withdrawn. You know, these same people who are actively proposing outright censorship of a TV series never seemed to mind when that series about Reagan came out. This is what happens when you don't actually try to achieve anything during your presidency but instead choose to base whether your terms were successful or not depending on whether or not the press likes you. In any case, I doubt ABC will lift a finger to appease these extremely narcissistic former public servants. Hey assholes, the feature ISN'T ABOUT YOU. Its not called "The Path To Clinton And Friends Fucking The Terrorism Thing Up in The 1990's" although admittedly this wouldn't be completely false.
UPDATE: Well well... the Democrats in '03 slammed CBS and were critical because they pulled the Reagan docudrama. I just love a fresh, hot cup of hypocrisy in the morning, particulary from this group of pathological losers and ne'er-do-wells.
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09/08/2006 02:25 #24671
Egg On The Ol' Face09/05/2006 11:35 #24669
Happy Birthday!In order to avoid any LC-esque drama and to avoid unwittingly offending anybody (if I mean to offend someone its usually pretty obvious) I'm sending out a belated and/or pre-emptive (touchy phrasing there!) HAPPY BIRTHDAY shoutout to the peeps I used to know, the peeps I still hang with, the peeps I see once in a while and the peeps I've yet to meet. You're all great.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY EVERYBODY! And that includes (e:jason) too, since we never actually say "happy birthday" to each other. Ever. A little twin trivia there.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY EVERYBODY! And that includes (e:jason) too, since we never actually say "happy birthday" to each other. Ever. A little twin trivia there.
nejifer - 09/05/06 16:17
thank you josh. mine was on sunday and you missed quite the fiasco. and thank you for sticking up for us. it means a lot!
thank you josh. mine was on sunday and you missed quite the fiasco. and thank you for sticking up for us. it means a lot!
09/04/2006 03:27 #24668
From A Mile AwayFile this under "I saw this one coming" - The crocadile hunter died today.
He got stung by a stingray.
Lets face it - I admired his kind of naive boyish quality about wild animals, but his antics were reckless and sooner or later he was going to be killed as a result of them. The only question I have left in my mind is, why hadn't this happened sooner?
Seriously, anyone that ever watched this guy around a snake had to know that he was going to die early. If anything, I'm surprised that it was a relatively benign animal that ended up killing him.
He got stung by a stingray.
Lets face it - I admired his kind of naive boyish quality about wild animals, but his antics were reckless and sooner or later he was going to be killed as a result of them. The only question I have left in my mind is, why hadn't this happened sooner?
Seriously, anyone that ever watched this guy around a snake had to know that he was going to die early. If anything, I'm surprised that it was a relatively benign animal that ended up killing him.
metalpeter - 09/04/06 14:06
This death shows what over enthusim causes. From what I understand he had great knowledge about animals and was all about nature. But what got him killed now or if not now later was he was to enthusastic. It was like lets see what happens if i put my head in this tigers mouth. It was as if that love cut off his sense of danger. Does anyone remember an add with him or a look alike with a guy who gets bit by a deadly snake but because they didn't use FedEX or was it UPS think FedEX not sure he dies since the venom dosn't get there, kinda ironic?
This death shows what over enthusim causes. From what I understand he had great knowledge about animals and was all about nature. But what got him killed now or if not now later was he was to enthusastic. It was like lets see what happens if i put my head in this tigers mouth. It was as if that love cut off his sense of danger. Does anyone remember an add with him or a look alike with a guy who gets bit by a deadly snake but because they didn't use FedEX or was it UPS think FedEX not sure he dies since the venom dosn't get there, kinda ironic?
jason - 09/04/06 11:58
Ugh! That's awful! Steve was my fave!! RIP!
Ugh! That's awful! Steve was my fave!! RIP!
joshua - 09/04/06 10:32
Yep - it appears that he died as a result of a wound to his chest/abdomen area, and after reading a little bit more about stingrays and the likely event of death as a result of a sting it seems that Mr. Irwin was very, very unlucky. It seems that the only real possible way he could have died is a wound to his heart - which after reading more seems like only a handful of people have ever suffered. Amazing.
My post is a tad on the cynical side... well ok... saying that this post was a "tad" cynical is like saying that habanero peppers are a "tad" hot. Frankly I don't feel too bad for his family... his wife was complicit in all this nonsense for many years. Did you read about what he did with his baby boy? It was Michael Jackson-esque. I respect the fact that he was a knowledgable and caring guy, but this guy was testing fate on a daily basis for 15-20 years.
Yep - it appears that he died as a result of a wound to his chest/abdomen area, and after reading a little bit more about stingrays and the likely event of death as a result of a sting it seems that Mr. Irwin was very, very unlucky. It seems that the only real possible way he could have died is a wound to his heart - which after reading more seems like only a handful of people have ever suffered. Amazing.
My post is a tad on the cynical side... well ok... saying that this post was a "tad" cynical is like saying that habanero peppers are a "tad" hot. Frankly I don't feel too bad for his family... his wife was complicit in all this nonsense for many years. Did you read about what he did with his baby boy? It was Michael Jackson-esque. I respect the fact that he was a knowledgable and caring guy, but this guy was testing fate on a daily basis for 15-20 years.
jenks - 09/04/06 10:07
I agree with you Josh- that one day he was bound to be killed- BUT to be killed by a stingray is totally freakish. Usually their spines just HURT and sting. They are not fatal. But it sounds like the angle was just such that it slipped right under his ribcage and pierced his heart! Terrible. Poor guy. He always cracked me up. And I feel sorry for his family.
I agree with you Josh- that one day he was bound to be killed- BUT to be killed by a stingray is totally freakish. Usually their spines just HURT and sting. They are not fatal. But it sounds like the angle was just such that it slipped right under his ribcage and pierced his heart! Terrible. Poor guy. He always cracked me up. And I feel sorry for his family.
09/01/2006 15:18 #24667
Happy September2/3 of the year down, another 1/3 to go! Cheers.
When I get time I'm going to construct a journal entry about the recent movie that highlights a ficticious Bush assassination with the supposed intention of striking a debate about US foreign policy. Its shit like this that makes it impossible for me or any other rational person to vote Democrat simply so that we don't vote for the same people that liberals idiots like this Canadian colossal jewel of ignorance and stupidity do.
When I get time I'm going to construct a journal entry about the recent movie that highlights a ficticious Bush assassination with the supposed intention of striking a debate about US foreign policy. Its shit like this that makes it impossible for me or any other rational person to vote Democrat simply so that we don't vote for the same people that liberals idiots like this Canadian colossal jewel of ignorance and stupidity do.
joshua - 09/05/06 19:05
Or if you could figure out what an independant thought actually is, which you refuse to admit anybody that is registered as R or votes R is capable of doing... as you once again have proven. Since you brought up "old and tired" after all. Here's a thought - Americans repeatedly have rejected liberal candidates when brought to the ballot box, unless you live in that colossal jewel of naivety known as the People's Republic of California or the infamous northeast. So is everybody else that doesn't agree with you brainwashed? Its so pathetic and laughably wrong to even begin to assume such a thing that for once I'm at a loss for words. I'm insulted that I even have to address this colossal bit of ignorance. Your outlook politically proves that you don't know anything about the country you reside in.
Interesting that you cannot respond to me in any fashion but an insult. You see, when your logic is infallable like mine is, you end up getting that quite a bit. Even more telling and interesting is that you cannot bring yourself to condemn the movie and instead choose to attempt, however poorly, to attack the messenger. Your silence is deafening.
Or if you could figure out what an independant thought actually is, which you refuse to admit anybody that is registered as R or votes R is capable of doing... as you once again have proven. Since you brought up "old and tired" after all. Here's a thought - Americans repeatedly have rejected liberal candidates when brought to the ballot box, unless you live in that colossal jewel of naivety known as the People's Republic of California or the infamous northeast. So is everybody else that doesn't agree with you brainwashed? Its so pathetic and laughably wrong to even begin to assume such a thing that for once I'm at a loss for words. I'm insulted that I even have to address this colossal bit of ignorance. Your outlook politically proves that you don't know anything about the country you reside in.
Interesting that you cannot respond to me in any fashion but an insult. You see, when your logic is infallable like mine is, you end up getting that quite a bit. Even more telling and interesting is that you cannot bring yourself to condemn the movie and instead choose to attempt, however poorly, to attack the messenger. Your silence is deafening.
ajay - 09/05/06 18:07
Sigh... same old tired rhetoric. Like the proverbial dog, you're too busy chasing your own tail to stop and think :)
If I could figure out the formula used by Karl Rove to brainwash people like you, I'd be a multi-millionaire (like the Republicans).
Sigh... same old tired rhetoric. Like the proverbial dog, you're too busy chasing your own tail to stop and think :)
If I could figure out the formula used by Karl Rove to brainwash people like you, I'd be a multi-millionaire (like the Republicans).
joshua - 09/05/06 11:52
Ugh - I hate having to connect the logical dots for you Ajay - its not as if you're Randi Rhodes and are physically incapable of processing information.
What I'm referring to is the mentality that this idiot lib in the UK that made that movie and our own homegrown idiot libs that run, support and vote for an increasingly left-leaning Democratic party share. The movie is intended to stir up debate (also known as cackling and warbling about various levels of Bush hatred) concerning American foreign policy by featuring the assassination of a sitting President. The movie is itself, and was also born out of, obvious contempt of President Bush's policies and from what seems like a heavy, heavy dose of nearly uncontrollable personal hatred and rage. Do you actually think that this movie was made for red-staters?
What I'm suggesting is that the guy that made this movie is no different in basic ideology than any of the Democratic leaders in Congress or the 527 organizations that these politicians are beholden to because of the almighty campaign dollar. You are trying to manufacture a disconnect when you know there is none. I'm not saying that Democratic politicians would like to see George Bush dead, but there certainly has been no outrage or any commentary from any liberal politician to say that this movie crosses a clear line. Sorry, but as an American (no idea actually if you are a citizen Ajay), even if you disagree with the President, if this movie doesn't offend you based solely on the petulence and idiocy of staging a fictional assassination of our sitting President for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES then its fairly obvious that you're a self-loathing American and unpatriotic (yeah, thats a BAD thing for those who forgot), and it makes you no different in ideology than the guy who made the movie. And as long as you vote Democratic, I cannot. Fairly basic concept.
Ugh - I hate having to connect the logical dots for you Ajay - its not as if you're Randi Rhodes and are physically incapable of processing information.
What I'm referring to is the mentality that this idiot lib in the UK that made that movie and our own homegrown idiot libs that run, support and vote for an increasingly left-leaning Democratic party share. The movie is intended to stir up debate (also known as cackling and warbling about various levels of Bush hatred) concerning American foreign policy by featuring the assassination of a sitting President. The movie is itself, and was also born out of, obvious contempt of President Bush's policies and from what seems like a heavy, heavy dose of nearly uncontrollable personal hatred and rage. Do you actually think that this movie was made for red-staters?
What I'm suggesting is that the guy that made this movie is no different in basic ideology than any of the Democratic leaders in Congress or the 527 organizations that these politicians are beholden to because of the almighty campaign dollar. You are trying to manufacture a disconnect when you know there is none. I'm not saying that Democratic politicians would like to see George Bush dead, but there certainly has been no outrage or any commentary from any liberal politician to say that this movie crosses a clear line. Sorry, but as an American (no idea actually if you are a citizen Ajay), even if you disagree with the President, if this movie doesn't offend you based solely on the petulence and idiocy of staging a fictional assassination of our sitting President for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES then its fairly obvious that you're a self-loathing American and unpatriotic (yeah, thats a BAD thing for those who forgot), and it makes you no different in ideology than the guy who made the movie. And as long as you vote Democratic, I cannot. Fairly basic concept.
ajay - 09/05/06 04:20
Wait: someone in *UK* makes an anti-Bush movie, and you blame the Democrats? You do realise that UK is an independent country, regardless of Blair's antics??
"Rational" is not a word I'd use to describe your thought processes on politics, my friend. Try to think for yourself instead of just parroting Rush.
Wait: someone in *UK* makes an anti-Bush movie, and you blame the Democrats? You do realise that UK is an independent country, regardless of Blair's antics??
"Rational" is not a word I'd use to describe your thought processes on politics, my friend. Try to think for yourself instead of just parroting Rush.
joshua - 09/01/06 16:45
Well, firstly I put up the picture just because I thought it was funny and silly - yeah, for once I did something and without a nefarious second meaning!
On the contrary the sign that he has notes several different categories of liberals, both domestic and international. You have to admit that hippies, the Hollywood crowd and many in France are very diverse outside of their ideology (in a broad sense). Personally I don't see being called a "hippie" a derogatory thing. My father's one, for one thing. I am one in alot of ways too... I embrace hippiedom.
Well, firstly I put up the picture just because I thought it was funny and silly - yeah, for once I did something and without a nefarious second meaning!
On the contrary the sign that he has notes several different categories of liberals, both domestic and international. You have to admit that hippies, the Hollywood crowd and many in France are very diverse outside of their ideology (in a broad sense). Personally I don't see being called a "hippie" a derogatory thing. My father's one, for one thing. I am one in alot of ways too... I embrace hippiedom.
libertad - 09/01/06 15:59
What that man fails to realize is that you don't have to be a "hippie" to oppose the US war in Iraq. In fact, of all those that I know personally who oppose the war, none of them could be classified as "hippie". I think it is safe to say that those who oppose this war in Iraq are fairly diverse.
What that man fails to realize is that you don't have to be a "hippie" to oppose the US war in Iraq. In fact, of all those that I know personally who oppose the war, none of them could be classified as "hippie". I think it is safe to say that those who oppose this war in Iraq are fairly diverse.
Don't give up, (e:libertad). These guys would love to hide the truth, just like they would love to take away womens' rights and send them off in burkas.
Armitage says he thinks he leaked her identity. But read his statement: "I think she works there". Works where? State Department? Local Pizza Hut??
It was Libby who told Nowak that Plame was a CIA agent.
As a party which wants to "defend America aginst dem terrurists", you people sure don't care about the lives of people who really _are_ doing something about it, people like Valerie Plame. You guys should be ashamed that you destroyed the career of a woman who risked her life every day for decades. But, to you she's just another woman, right? Somehow, beneath you? Disposable??
I really don't know why I bother. The biggest "partisan hackery" I know of comes straight out of these comments. I really don't want to be a part of it.
About the "docudrama", or whatever term is being used to describe this mess - if it were moved to Showtime like the disgusting Reagan hit piece would it be enough to satisfy the moaning, wailing masses?
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Accusations are more important than the truth!
Armitage admitted he was the leaker! LOL! Apparently the truth ain't the truth unless it comes from a bona fide leftist.
By the way, that burka comment was hilarious, but doesn't lend much credibility to whatever your point was.
This is so funny. You are going through more contortions than a North Korean gymnast.
1. Read the article. Artmitage says he just said "his wife works there". That alone is not enough for anyone to conclude that Plame worked at the CIA, or that she was a NOC.
2. Fitzgerald is a Republican.
3. If you people got offended at Janet Jackson's boob (heck, I'm surprised you didn't complain about the fact that she was not in a burka) and Reagan's documentary, why shouldn't the Democrats be offended at something that distorts history? The producer of this "documentary" has already admitted that he bended facts a little to make them more entertaining.
Your Republicans would prefer that the truth, like women under the Taliban, be hidden from sight.
Oh, about the docudrama. Joshy, you've already mentioned that the precedent for this has been set, and that the Democrats want it both ways.
TV shows like this are an absolute waste of time, and the motivations for the Democrats and Republicans to do this are the same. The political class is failing us, using us to attain and maintain power.
"Karl Rove may not be charged criminally, but nevertheless he is not without guilt as you suggest. There is more to the story here."
David, the truth came out! Armitage is the leaker, thus causing the hit job on Rove to be null and void, and further proving Wilson to be a lying sack (which I have known for months, but hey nobody wants to listen). Notice how Wilson and Plame aren't willing to actually sue the guy who was the real leaker - they aren't adding Armitage to their civil case (he happens to agree with Wilson about Iraq), and trudging on with their fraudulent claims about Rove and Libby. Doesn't this absolutely stink to you?
Rove is a shady political operative, that much is true. He also skunks Democrats at every opportunity, which is the real reason why they want him to go away, other than to attempt to discredit the administration at every chance. People want so badly for Rove to be criminally guilty they are willing to ignore basic facts that have come out.
About David Corn, and this is something you should know, he has a new book out detailing the fraudulent case against Rove, amongst other things, and he is desperate to save his reputation and sell books. He has egg all over his face and body at this point. If he could be so wrong about this, no doubt he could be 100% wrong about many other things in his book. Again, doesn't this stink to you? It is partisan hackery of the lowest order.
David what the "liberal attack crap" is about, if you were aware of what the media did at the time and continued to do, is assail the White House and the administration, and most importantly... people who had nothing to do with it! This is symptomatic of a very, very sick group of individuals who simply wanted the guy who engineered the election in '04 to be smeared. It deals DIRECTLY with the story.
Where are the criminal charges if Karl Rove was guilty of something? For that matter, the guy who admitted guilt, Mr. Armitage... the prosecutor knew that he was the leak for years and yet even HE didn't press charges and still has yet to. Now... did administration officials technically stay within the law but do something to smear the people that were trying to smear them? I think the answer to that is yes, but its important to understand that practically every administration in the past 25 years had attempted things like that, or worse. I'm not saying its right, but its not unusual.
I will address your other post in dcoffee's journal later - gotta get to work!
I'm not sure we will ever know the whole truth about this unfortunate drama. I'm also not sure what all this constant liberal attack crap is all the time, but I don't think it has anything to do with the story. Karl Rove may not be charged criminally, but nevertheless he is not without guilt as you suggest. There is more to the story here.
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p.s. I directed a comment to you on (e:dcoffee)'s journal :::link:::
Just wanted to make sure that you saw it in case you wanted to respond.