[inlink]ajay,279[/inlink]First of all I like that picture it is nice and sexy but dosn't really show anything so it isn't grafic. I admit I don't understand what people are saying about Craft and Art. To me it dosn't make sense. I think City Hall looks amazing I think it looks cool. Now if I understand this right since it functions as a building it is not art it is a craft. Maybe that is a bad example. What if You mould a bowl would that be a craft and how you paint it be art? But what about the fact that how that building was made hade choices. There all sorts of animals and things that I have no idea what they are bulit into the outside of the building. Who ever made that building didn't have to put that in. Maybe I just don't get it.

What about Buildings in General. I know that buldings do serve a function and that is primary. But there is also an athestic quality to them. If there wasn't then no one would care that Pano wants to destroy the house next to his resturant. I have seen some amazing looking buildings In Buffalo, Cleveland, and Toronto and some on the web.

Someone mentioned that they don't think that violance is art. I have to disagree on that one. Some of the coolest looking art that I have seen has been in comic books and Animee. Is all of that violant no but that dosn't mean that something being violant disqualifies something as art. But just because something is vilant dosn't make it art either. I think is is a lot of great vilant art in Kill Bil, but that is just me.

I admit I wish I had the talent to draw well. I would love to be able to paint dragons, make city scapes, be a tatoo artist or even maniuplate photos and other stuff also. But I admit it is a talent I don't have. But I try not to judge what is art and what isn't. If I see something that looks like art to me then it is. I have had a couple of friends who are very good at art. You see a picture they drew and you think it is good. And they say no and they point out where they messed up or how it isn't just right and i find that amazing. My main point is that there is a lot of art that I don't understand or get. What I try to do is not judge it as not being art. I just say I don't get it or I don't like it.

[inlink]aswierat,7[/inlink] I think that the Parks should stay open and things should be funded. But raising the tax is not the answer. The problem is that Giamabra is a criminal who hires all his buddies and they do nothing. Some Jobs can be cut. But our taxes shouldn't go to support Giambra and his friends. Let the city run the parks. Regionalism is a great idea but the way they want to do it is wrong. What should happen is that Buffalo, Cheektowoga, Kenmore, Tonawanda and some of the area behind UB all become One City. You would still need all the police and Firefighters and other services but you could get rid of allot of over laping jobs that are basicly supervisors. Merging the city of Buffalo into part of the county dosn't make a lot of sense. Yes you would cut some jobs but then the city wouldn't really exsit anymore. Giambra and his croonies need to go. Reginalism does work but they need to come up with a better plan then they have now.

I admit it I watched the Oscars. But I was unable to stay awake for the entire show. I liked What I saw of Chris Rock. I thought it was funny that he made fun of himself and Jude Law. I think Jude Law is a Superstar. He was supposdly done doing movies a few years ago. But then he came back to do some special movie and now is in a bunch of differant movies I did see this amazing add but I don't know if it was last night or not. It is for Afflect and this duck is doing all sorts of stuff for this guy who is injuried like paying the bills and Then the Chinese food comes and Duck is mentioned and the money gets droped. Oh that reminds me of that Pizza hut Commerical Why is miss piggy being a canabial and eating Peporoni, that is just wrong. But back to my point I liked the whole why didn't this movie work thing about the stars. But I thought the interviews at the Magic Johnson Theatre where great. There are a lot of entertaining movies that Never get Nominated for awards. But then again with movies Like Lemony Shinckts, The Increadables and Shrek 2 you can see why. I think the oscars need to expand some and add more awards. I think Team America World Police was great. I think they should have awards for Each Genre of Movie It would be more fair that way. You could have a great horror Movie and it would never be nominatd for best picture. I had something else I wanted to rant about. OH yeah the Tim Robbins moment that was perfect. I saw robins on Bill Maher and he looked completly lost the entire time.

[r] Wow How can I follow behind Paul that was a great post[/r]. The question of what is art comes up often. I think music is art. You can really make anything into art I think. It is all in how something is presented. If you put your atistic (what ever that it) view and add it to something to change it. If i stick my dick in paint and use it as a brush and then a chick does a differant color with a tit and another color with her other one. That is art but it most likely wouldn't be a picture I would wind up liking. I think often we try to say this is (not)art or that is(not) art. But I think that is wrong. Just like some people say rap isn't music. Rap is music you may not like it and think it takes no talent but it is still a type of music. If a bang on a table and kick a chair I can make a beat and make up a song and that is art but not very good art. Tonight the oscars are on. They are supposed to reprst the best movies of the year. I don't know what movies are nominated. I don't know if any of the movies I saw are nominated for anything. I think

Metallica Some Kind of Monster

was a great movie and should win something. I think movies are a type of art. I admit I havn't seen very many movies that you might consider artsy. But I do like good animated movies like Spirted Away and Ghost In the Shell 2. We are surrounded by art everywhere but we don't really think of allot of it as art. Some one had to design that package of Softlips you bought to keep your lips soft Or that cool pepsi symbol or that cigeratte symbol they both are versions of the Ying Yang. I think we take art for granted and don't relise how much of it is around us. I admit I hardly ever go to Art Galleries. One reason is that I don't know what type of art they are going to be showing. I'm odd about what kinds of pictures I like. I think Ice Sucputures are amazing. They look so differant when lighted at nite. I mean the big ones that they have festivals for. I had a final point I wanted to end with but I forgot it, so I hope those of you who read this enjoyed it a little bit. If my art skills in writting where better this would have been more interesting and about 10 more paragraphs.[bgcolor]#646eff[/bgcolor]

What's internet fame like, and really what is it. Is everyone on this site internet famous to each other if we only interact here. What about to those who view what we say. Or does it take us to be none and talked to offline by someone we don't know from being on line?

Well here is an article that poped up as i went on line using AOL today. I have not seen the video. Even though American Pie was meant to be funny what happens to Jim is a good point. Internet Fame is not always a good thing. That is the end of the philosphy discussion and here is the article that I read

Internet Fame Is a Cruel Mistress for a Dancer

By ALAN FEUER and JASON GEORGE, The New York Times



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(Feb. 26) - There was a time when embarrassing talents were a purely private matter. If you could sing "The Star Spangled Banner" in the voice of Daffy Duck, no one but your friends and family would ever have to know.

But with the Internet, humiliation - like everything else - has now gone public. Upload a video of yourself playing flute with your nose or dancing in your underwear, and people from Toledo to Turkmenistan can watch.

Here, then, is the cautionary tale of Gary Brolsma, 19, amateur videographer and guy from New Jersey, who made the grave mistake of placing on the Internet a brief clip of himself dancing along to a Romanian pop song. Even in the bathroom mirror, Mr. Brolsma's performance could only be described as earnest but painful.

His story suggests that the quaint days when cultural trinkets, like celebrity sex tapes, were passed around like novels in Soviet Russia are over. It says a little something of the lightning speed at which fame is made these days.

To begin at the beginning:

Mr. Brolsma, a pudgy guy from Saddle Brook, made a video of himself this fall performing a lip-synced version of "Dragostea Din Tei," a Romanian pop tune, which roughly translates to "Love From the Linden Trees." He not only mouthed the words, he bounced along in what he called the "Numa Numa Dance" - an arm-flailing, eyebrow-cocked performance executed without ever once leaving the chair.

In December, the Web site newgrounds.com, a clearinghouse for online videos and animation, placed a link to Mr. Brolsma on its home page and, soon, there was a river of attention. "Good Morning America" came calling and he appeared. CNN and VH1 broadcast the clip. Parodists tried their own Numa Numa dances online. By yesterday, the Brolsma rendition of "Love From the Linden Trees" had attracted nearly two million hits on the original Web site alone.

It was just as Diane Sawyer said on her television program: "Who knows where this will lead?"


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Nowhere, apparently. For, in Mr. Brolsma's case, the river became a flood.

He has now sought refuge from his fame in his family's small house on a gritty street in Saddle Brook. He has stopped taking phone calls from the news media, including The New York Times. He canceled an appearance on NBC's "Today." According to his relatives, he mopes around the house.

What's worse is that no one seems to understand.

"I said, 'Gary this is your one chance to be famous - embrace it,' " said Corey Dzielinski, who has known Mr. Brolsma since the fifth grade. Gary Brolsma is not the first guy to rocket out of anonymity on a starship of embarrassment. There was William Hung, the Hong Kong-born "American Idol" reject, who sang and danced so poorly he became a household name. There was Ghyslain Raza, the teenage Québécois, who taped himself in a mock light-saber duel and is now known as the Star Wars Kid.

In July 2003, Mr. Raza's parents went so far as to sue four of his classmates, claiming they had placed the clip of him online without permission. "Ghyslain had to endure and still endures today, harassment and derision," according to the lawsuit, first reported in The Globe and Mail of Toronto.

Mr. Brolsma has no plans to sue, his family said - mainly because he would have to sue himself. In fact, they wish he would bask a little in his celebrity.

"I don't know what's wrong with him," his grandfather, Kalman Telkes, a Hungarian immigrant, said the other day while taking out the trash.

The question remains why two million people would want to watch a doughy guy in glasses wave his arms around online to a Romanian pop song.

"It definitely has to be something different," said Tom Fulp, president and Webmaster of newgrounds.com.

"It's really time and place."

"The Numa Numa dance," he said, sounding impressed. "You see it and you kind of impulsively have to send it to your friends."

There is no way to pinpoint the fancy of the Internet, but in an effort to gauge Mr. Brolsma's allure, the Numa Numa dance was shown to a classroom of eighth graders at Saddle Brook Middle School - the same middle school that he attended, in fact.

The students' reactions ranged from envious to unimpressed. "That's stupid," one of them said. "What else does he do?" a second asked. A third was a bit more generous: "I should make a video and become famous."

The teacher, Susan Sommer, remembered Mr. Brolsma. He was a quiet kid, she said, with a good sense of humor and a flair for technology.


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"Whenever there were computer problems, Gary and Corey would fix them for the school," she said.

His friends say Mr. Brolsma has always had a creative side. He used to make satirical Prozac commercials on cassette tapes, for instance. He used to publish a newspaper with print so small you couldn't read it with the naked eye.

"He was always very out there - he's always been ambitious," said Frank Gallo, a former classmate. "And he's a big guy, but he's never been ashamed."

Another friend, Randal Reiman, said: "I've heard a lot of people say it's not that impressive - it doesn't have talent. But I say, Who cares?"

These days, Mr. Brolsma shuttles between the house and his job at Staples, his family said. He is distraught, embarrassed. His grandmother, Margaret Telkes, quoted him as saying, just the other day, "I want this to end."

And yet the work lives on. Mr. Fulp, the Webmaster, continues to receive online homages to the Numa Numa dance. The most recent showed what seemed to be a class of computer students singing in Romanian and, in unison, waving their hands.

Mr. Reiman figures the larger world has finally caught on to Gary Brolsma.

"He's been entertaining us for years," he said, "so it's kind of like the rest of the world is realizing that Gary can make you smile."
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