
Bush lobbies Congress on terror suspects
Ok, I need to know, Where does president Bush get off claiming that he alone knows how to interrogate terrorism suspects? He has never been in Combat, neither have any of his close advisers. But now he truly believes, with all the passion he's shown in press conferences, that his way and only his way, will make us safer. With a track record like Bush's? I'd rather trust American Law, International law, and Colon Powell.
Colon Powell was the Secretary of State when 911 happened, he knows everything the president knows, he's been in combat and commanded troops on the battlefield. Unlike the President, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld and everyone else who avoided the Vietnam Draft.
Powell has spoken strongly against this proposal, so has John McCain, John Warner and Lindsey Grahm, all republican senators on the Armed Services Committee.
Powell's letter to McCain:
"The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. To redefine Common Article 3 would add to those doubts. Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk."
If our troops are tortured we will have no basis to demand their torturers be punished. We will be breaking the verry law that protects our soldiers.
Bush wants to allow things like "waterboarding" that's where you drown someone until they inhale water and pass out, then they are resuscitated. From testimony, it is excruciating to inhale water into your lungs and sinuses, you pass out from the pain above all else.
That's torture, the United States does not stand for such things, these are evil and sinister acts. just because Bush happens to be president for 6 years doesn't mean he can soil the constitution and remove the honorable standards that make America a proud nation.
Bush's proposal aims to 'clarify' the Geneva conventions. Ooooooh, ok. But the Geneva Conventions were signed by 47 other countries. We agreed upon them at that time, and it has been the bedrock or international legitimacy. Now the US is going to be the first to chip away at it.
Offering our own interpretations of the laws of war. That sounds like a terrible thing for any country to do, offer their own interpretation of the laws of war. Especially during a time of war. Isn't that the whole point of laws in the first place? Isn't that the whole point of checks and balances? This is not a nation ruled by the passions of men, we are ruled by time tested Laws. That's the whole point of the constitution. And it's what makes a democracy last.
International law is the only way that peace can exist today. Without law your only option is violence and war. I do not want to leave my children with a world that has no trust in international standards of law. There will be no peace in such a world.
We follow the law, that's what makes us the good guys and them the bad guys.
Oh, I should make it very clear that my paragraph concerning support for McCain/Powell wasn't aimed at you personally. I've just been doing a lot of reading and once again people who typically have not had such kind things to say about these folks are all of a sudden in their corner telling us how great they are.
One thing to be said for McCain, he survived torture, far worse than dogs barking or sleep deprivation. It is popular in conservative circles to say that he's just being an opportunistic SOB, and that isn't fair. I think it takes quite a guy to suffer like that and to be consistent about it.
Yea Ajay, we know Bush wore the Uniform, we saw him in it after he landed on the aircraft Carrier in a fighter jet. :-)
"If our troops are tortured we will have no basis to demand their torturers be punished. We will be breaking the verry law that protects our soldiers."
Do I have to start posting links to videos to show how the GC is protecting our troops against terrorists? The argument that we are anything like them is bull, plain and simple, and everyone understands. This is about protecting those who want to do us the most harm. This talk about maintaining moral authority has less to do with how we treat these people, in my opinion, than large scale operations which kill innocents along the way.
Now, I don't understand all of this sudden support for McCain and Powell - Is Powell the main liar on behalf of Bush in terms of Iraq, or is he a champion of human rights? Is McCain a right wing hack when he talks about his support for the Iraq war, or is he a champion when he starts saying things that lefties agree with? The way people treat these two figures changes weekly.
Who are they? They are Republicans, and former military men, and useful to Democrats because it means they still do not have to offer up solutions (although I give you tons of credit David because you speak openly about the issues unlike our politicians). More than that, they are moderate, which means they enjoy support from nobody other than the media, and myself.
Torture as a policy is wrong. Going straight for the waterboard is wrong. Everyone knows this, or should know it. However, I don't think the Clinton policy of absorbing attacks is workable anymore. I would be a lot happier focusing on prevention, including law enforcement, intelligence services doing their thing, and some military strikes, instead of reactionary military operations that end up killing Americans and innocent foreigners.
"Powell has spoken strongly against this proposal, so has John McCain, John Warner and Lindsey Graham..."
But honestly, (e:dcoffee) , what do these clowns know? Obviously our own (e:chickenhawks) know more about this than McCain and co. I mean, what did John McCain do in his life? Was he ever a POW or in combat, ever? And Colin Powell? He's a quitter. He quit his job soon after 9/11 because he's soft on terrorists. He probably never wore a uniform in his life (ok, maybe he worked in McDonalds). Who are these people, anyways?
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In the begging of the post it sounds like "Powell For President" I think he could be a good one if ellected. Is it just me or is Bush Going to try to be a totolarian leader. It wouldn't surprise me if he tried to bring back the war powers and suspend elections till the war is over. Some people may say pete you are way out of line. But am I once they make tourture legal over there then guess what they will try to do that over here. They will say it is for national security so there isn't another 911. People who don't feal safe will surender anything to feal safe and slowly over time we lose one freedom after another. Hopefully the American People are wise enough not to let that happen.